I drove over 800 miles today. I am tired.

I read this and see "Insensitive accusation"

I think I will go to bed and hope that when I re-read this in the morning that it becomes a "Simple Inquiry"

I realize that my skills at mapping are pathetic compared to most here but, I hardly ever post with certainties unless I am fairly sure.

I spent days, days I didn't have to spare, trying to successfully vertex manip my Hoover Dam map for the competition.

I failed.. It cannot be done, at least NOT the way I tried to achieve it.

Arches failed me.

first off i created an 8 sided arch and vertex manipulated it right away to see if it works, and it did and i diddnt have to ungroup it.

but on the topic did you have to do a check for problems and use it to fix invalids, if yes than that is why a vertex is off like that.

if not than i couldnt tell you whats wrong.

but from the looks of it. it looks like you were making an arch with a champhered bottom.

the best way to do it without modelling or using the displacements is to make the champher a seperate brush from the square part