texture resolution in Hammer
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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by hl_world on Tue Jan 30th at 4:21pm 2007


How can I increase the resolution of textures rendered in the 3d view of Hammer? Because right now, it's far too low for me to position and scale the textures correctly, I can hardly make out details of them.

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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by fishy on Tue Jan 30th at 8:44pm 2007


The default scale is 0.25, which is correct for (nearly?) all of hl2's textures. I don't understand why you could have difficulty seeing the details though, as it's something I've never had any problems with. I don't know how experienced you are with hammer either, but you do realise that you can navigate around the 3d view while the camera tool is selected, by the simple combination of holding a mouse button down while moving the mouse, don't you? You can position yourself at any angle or distance from what you want to look at.

Moving the mouse while holdning down the;-
-left button, changes the direction you are facing, but not your position
-right button, lets you move up or down
-both buttons, move forwards/backwards.

You can also use shift+Z to give you a full sized version of the last viewport that you were active in.

And if you're having problems getting textures on neighbouring brushes to line up, then there's a simple way to do it. First, select the texture tool. Then click on the brush that is textured correctly. Then, holding down the Alt key, right click on the neighbouring brush, and voila.
(or hold down the shift key and right click on the brush to texture all of it's faces.)

If you've tried these alread, and none of them work for you, then you need to either buy a bigger monitor, get glasses, or, you could be as lucky as me, and end up with both. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">




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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by reaper47 on Tue Jan 30th at 10:16pm 2007


fishy, I think he means the default "medium quality" textures (like the second highest option in HL2 video modes) in Hammer... like it doesn't display the maximum LOD model for props. I haven't found a workaround for this.





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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by fishy on Tue Jan 30th at 10:24pm 2007


? quoting reaper47
fishy, I think he means the default "medium quality" textures (like the second highest option in HL2 video modes) in Hammer... like it doesn't display the maximum LOD model for props. I haven't found a workaround for this.

i see. i didn't realize that hammer showed a reduced quality texture. i thought it only looked different due to the lack of compile, lighting, engine etc.

i've still never had any problems with it though. at least none that i've noticed.




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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by omegaslayer on Wed Jan 31st at 2:36am 2007


You want to maintain a 1/4 unit/pixel ratio for best results. This means textures that are 512x512 (pixels) need to be scaled down to 0.25 to fit a 128x128 unit wall.






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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by hl_world on Wed Jan 31st at 3:09am 2007


I know all that stuff that fishy suggested (i've been using Hammer since mid 2002 when it was called Worldcraft). What i mean is that if you:

  1. Start up Hammer
  2. Create a 128x128xany thickness brush
  3. Texture the brush "dev/reflectivity_70" (it's a 512? texture with text on it) on the 128x128 face and align it properly
  4. Notice how the text "reflectivity 70%" is hard to make out

I think I remember Hammer rendering the textures at an acceptable res when HL2 came out. It might be an update thing, I don't know. I was wondering if there was a way to increase the res. Thanks for the responses so far though.





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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by omegaslayer on Wed Jan 31st at 8:46am 2007


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I know all that stuff that fishy suggested (i've been using Hammer since mid 2002 when it was called Worldcraft). What i mean is that if you:
  1. Start up Hammer
  2. Create a 128x128xany thickness brush
  3. Texture the brush "dev/reflectivity_70" (it's a 512? texture with text on it) on the 128x128 face and align it properly
  4. Notice how the text "reflectivity 70%" is hard to make out

I think I remember Hammer rendering the textures at an acceptable res when HL2 came out. It might be an update thing, I don't know. I was wondering if there was a way to increase the res. Thanks for the responses so far though.


Getting to hop in hammer these days is getting to be somewhat of a burden(giant load times because Im running like 10 mods ATM)...

I did what you said and I can read it just fine. At a distance of 256 units away from the wall is when it gets to where I cant read it. But why would I want to? I can fly in close to the object and align it that way. I now know what your talking about. There is no way to incease the resolution of the 3D window. The only thing I can think of is to go to tools->options->3D Window tab And check/uncheck the "Filter Texture" box and see if that helps you (I did it and didn't notice a thing).

If none of this is helping then please provide us with some info:
-Your graphics card
-Your resolution your running it at
-Your current monitor type
-Your vision circumstance (yes maybe you need glasses)






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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by Captain P on Wed Jan 31st at 12:26pm 2007


Nah, I get the same thing too, in Hammer the textures are simply lower-res than in-game. I don't find it troublesome though, as I almost never see the need to scale textures differently, and if I do, I go for what looks right, and that usually means I'm not looking for every nitty gritty detail but rather, the overall look.

But perhaps that's just me. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">






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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Jan 31st at 1:42pm 2007


Maybe there's some setting for this. In launch parameters or the registry. I looked for it a while ago and it seems like it's either hidden very well or impossible to do.

What I find more annoying are the low-detail props. They often look completely different.






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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by hl_world on Wed Jan 31st at 3:01pm 2007


? quoting omegaslayer

If none of this is helping then please provide us with some info:
-Your graphics card
-Your resolution your running it at
-Your current monitor type
-Your vision circumstance (yes maybe you need glasses)

  • I have an ATI Radeon 9600XT (Sapphire) 256Mb
  • My desktop res runs at 1024x768 (I doubt this is the problem)
  • I use a CRT monitor with a VGA connector (I've always had this VDU but remember the Hammer tex rendering to be clearer)
  • What was that you said about glasses? I couldn't make that out?

It may in fact be the GFX card, I also disabled the ATI stuff in services.msc. The problem with unclear textures is that it's hard to properly scale, align, use only the parts that i want to use of textures for faces that are smaller than the textures themselves like texturing control panels, light switches and other small but important faces. I also tried the "filter texture" box already and no - it didn't work.





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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by Captain P on Wed Jan 31st at 3:17pm 2007


Hmm, I guess it would be very usefull if we could change texture scale and alignment in the 3D window, with some mouse sliding, rather than fiddling with numbers... just a random thought... <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

Anyway, I get your problem. Only thing I can think up on would be to use/create textures that would fit on such surfaces, but that's not always possible because of their proportions. A bit annoying. I guess you'll have to stick with in-game testing for now.

One 'hack' I can think up on though, is creating custom .vmt files that use the same texture, but tell the game (and hopefully Hammer as well) not to use mip-maps. Dunno if that's specifiable in the .vmt files or done when textures are compiled on top of my head, but that could be something to try out.






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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by Naklajat on Wed Jan 31st at 3:33pm 2007


My 3D view textures are (and always have been) full res and clear, can't say I've ever heard of this problem. Just a guess, but if you're running Hammer with -dxlevel 80, that could possibly have something to do with it. Beyond that I have no clue.


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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by reaper47 on Wed Jan 31st at 5:47pm 2007


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Just a guess, but if you're running Hammer with -dxlevel 80, that could possibly have something to do with it. Beyond that I have no clue.


No, that's not it. At least not in the start parameters.






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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by hl_world on Thu Feb 1st at 10:34pm 2007


Ok, I may have found the answer. I installed 2 Gb of RAM yesterday (compared to 256 Mb I had before) and I tried Hammer again just now and the textures are crystal clear. Hammer may have settings that automatically adjust to how well your system is coping.

Or, the video settings in HL2 have something to do with it, before the upgrade, the texture quality defaulted to "low" but now with the 2 gigs, it defaults to "high".

I will say though that after I gave up on Hammer and before I got the RAM I have been using the parameters, "-dxlevel 80" first to see what everything looked like ingame and "-dxlevel 90" to set it back and left that parameter in there. Note: I have a DirectX 9.0 capable GFX card.

My advice to anyone else who has this problem is to either install more RAM or free up system resources using CTRL + ALT + DEL with Windows XP and disabling active processes or you free up space on your Hard Drive which I think has something to do with Virtual Memory or something.

Thanks for everyones help and input





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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by fishy on Thu Feb 1st at 11:50pm 2007


that makes sense. i remember when i used hammer 4 to start with. it ran not too bad, until i started scrolling through the texture browser, then it would bog right down. i think most people had the same problem, so this lower dx thing might be a result of the fix.




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Re: texture resolution in Hammer
Posted by reaper47 on Fri Feb 2nd at 4:41pm 2007


Great, I have 1.5 GB ^^

But a good tip, I?ll look into that. Thanks.







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