Pens

I'm looking for a good art pen and I'd like some advice on a good brand. I'm looking for a black fine tipped pen and one that I can control its darkness and lightness according to how hard I press. Any suggestions?

If you're using it for inking just use a foutain pen. You know
a container of black ink and a changeable metal tip foutain pen.

They're way better then anything distributes the ink for you. You have much more control on the saturation of the image.

But other then that, I wish I could remember this one brands name,
they're really nice (Better then PrismaColor's pens). I think they
start with an 'L' ... as if that will help.

Bic makes the best ballpoint pens. Yes, there are better pens but they're way more expensive. A Bic costs 50 cents and lasts for months. You can control the lightness/darkness easily and the don't leak (at least I've never seen a Bic pen leak).

WARNING: Do NOT use a Kilometrico pen for art!!! Kilometrico pens are just plain s__t for art!!! If you buy a Kilometrico pen you will regret it.

Bic makes the best ballpoint pens. Yes, there are better pens but they're way
more expensive. A Bic costs 50 cents and lasts for months. You can
control the lightness/darkness easily and the don't leak (at least I've
never seen a Bic pen leak).

WARNING: Do NOT use a Kilometrico
pen for art!!! Kilometrico pens are just plain s__t for art!!! If you
buy a Kilometrico pen you will regret it.

So are "Bic"s. You don't use pens that leave imprints.

Biros have to be the worst thing ever for inking an image. Don't use biros. Ever. Its like colouring an oil painting with crayons. As crono said, fountain pens. Even the wierd disposable fountain pens suffice. The denting involved in even drawing a straight line with a biro screws up an image, and in general, even in writing I have always preferred fountain pens.

Biros have to be the worst thing ever for inking an image. Don't
use biros. Ever. Its like colouring an oil painting with crayons. As
crono said, fountain pens. Even the wierd disposable fountain pens
suffice. The denting involved in even drawing a straight line with a
biro screws up an image, and in general, even in writing I have always
preferred fountain pens.

It's awesome too, because you only need one pen. You buy different tips
for various effects and I've had the same bottle of ink for 6 years.

If you're leaving a dent with a Bic, you're pressing too hard. Don't press hard and you don't leave a dent. It's really that simple.

If you want to pay more than 100 times the price for a fountain pen, you can. But their's absolutely nothing wrong with Bic's. You must be thinking of another brand of ballpoint pen, like Officeworks or something.

bic's and biros rule - NOT for full drawings, just random sketches,
there are cheap, efficient and break you into the "no errors allowed"
ink medium extremely well.

If you're leaving a dent with a Bic, you're pressing too hard. Don't press hard and you don't leave a dent. It's really that simple.

If
you want to pay more than 100 times the price for a fountain pen, you
can. But their's absolutely nothing wrong with Bic's. You must be
thinking of another brand of ballpoint pen, like Officeworks or
something.

No.

Not to mention the ink within Bic (as well as any ball point pen) is very shiny once dry.

For a profesional looking piece of art you should never degrade it by using a ball point pen.

I can't believe you're actually arguing this.

Maybe you've never made anything worth using good supplies on?

Crappy ass idea sketches are great for ballpoint pen usage.

Crono, I have a few things to say:

1) WTF??? Bic's don't dry shiny! Kilometrico's do, but not Bic's. Bic's are great.
2) If you use a Bic correctly it doesn't degrade the art.
3) You'd better believe I'm actually arguing this.
4) I'll post my Bic art as soon I'm done with my RDI ray traced avatar.
5) With CorelDRAW 3D modelling package, I can create 5000 polys in 5 min.

POSTSCRIPT: Finished RDI ray traced avatar, uploading... done.

<--- gets out sketch pad. found biro crappy ass idea sketch. looking for host...

POSTPOSTSCRIPT: Why won't may damn avatar show up?!?

A crappy ass idea sketch (Bic ballpoint, final image used 2H pencil)
(c) Oct 2004 Foxpup

http://www.freewebs.com/foxpup/pictureofme.jpg

It just comes back to this thread.

So it's not just me??? My browser seems to redirect links to real screwy places in general and Microsoft.com in particular. I've got Proxomitron and I hate it.

Copy and paste it in into the address bar.

POSTSCRIPT: I fixed it. I think it adds "http://" automatically for some reason???

I think this whole fountain pens vs. ballpoint pens thing is a waste of time. Chrono, your fountain pen is still sitting on your desk, regardless of what I say. Use it whenever you like.

But you'll never see a fountain pen on my desk.

I think this whole fountain pens vs. ballpoint pens thing is a
waste of time. Crono, your fountain pen is still sitting on your desk,
regardless of what I say. Use it whenever you like.

But you'll never see a fountain pen on my desk.

I wasn't making a suggestion to
you.

No offense or anything, but that sketch you put up
wouldn't make me want to use a Bic ... ever.

I can't even see the sketch

Here

He added "http" at the beginning (which gets added automatically to links)

It keeps coming back to this thread.

P.S. currently using Blender 3D and loving it.

Copy and paste it in into the address bar.

like Gwil said... ...bic pens are okay for sketches.

However, I recommend you invest in something a little more professional if you desire to create fine art.

The best thing about BIC's is that you can find them for free in little baskets at banks and such.

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<DIV class=quotetext>like Gwil said... ...bic pens are okay for sketches.

However, I recommend you invest in something a little more professional if you desire to create fine art.

The best thing about BIC's is that you can find them for free in little baskets at banks and such. </DIV></DIV>

I thought this whole conversation was about inking a finished drawing, (after sketching out in pencil not doing sketches. Biros are fine for doodling.
Gwil, you so cray-zee. :razz:

I'm using a Pilot I found behind the couch right now. It works good. :smile:

Fountain pens are the way to go. Great little things :wink:

Edit, Ive also never had an Pentel RSVP go dry or not write on
me BUT they are too thick for my tastes , I use em for notes = P (this
was off topic which is why it was an edit = P

A crappy ass idea sketch (Bic ballpoint, final image used 2H pencil)
(c) Oct 2004 Foxpup

http://www.freewebs.com/foxpup/pictureofme.jpg

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I use uniball's for whatever inking I do. I really only use them
for letter outlines when I sketch, I don't professionally ink.
But some comic artists swear by them for inking.

And no one uses a Bic pen professionally, man, sorry. Except for accountants and secretaries and whatever.

I used to use a Rotring pen, that was great for me.

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