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An art study

Re: An art study Posted by Spartan on Tue Nov 30th 2004 at 11:09pm
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<html><head><link rel="stylesheet" href="themes/standard.css" type="text/css"></head><body topmargin=2 leftmargin=2>I didn't realize before that The Snarkpit had as many artists as it does so I got this idea I came up with today for us to help each other out. We should dedicate this thread to doing an art study. We can trade thechniques that we each use and share with each other more of our art. Also once a week or once every two weeks find something to sketch and sketch it out. Make it something that you would use to help improve yourself. I hope this catches on with you guys.

Here is a sketch I did. The original drawing is from Bungies website and was done as a concept art sketch. I picked this picture to help myself improve on shading, structural desgin, curves, and cliffs. I made a lot of mistakes along the way but the point was to improve on what I already can draw. Give me all your critisism.

Original Sketch

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Re: An art study Posted by Crono on Tue Nov 30th 2004 at 11:14pm
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Where's the sketch you did?
Re: An art study Posted by Spartan on Tue Nov 30th 2004 at 11:14pm
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Here is my sketch. It looks s**tty do to me and my scanner. You can see that I didn't draw the entire sketch but did about 80% of it. Forgive my scanner and its cheapness. :kitty:

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/9311/structure.jpg
Re: An art study Posted by Crono on Tue Nov 30th 2004 at 11:16pm
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Don't press so hard, number one. Number two, use some vanishing points. And you might want to experiement with a smaller tipped pencil.

And keep your pencil sharp, I can tell that in your sketch you had a dull pencil most of the way through.
Re: An art study Posted by Spartan on Tue Nov 30th 2004 at 11:19pm
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I used a B pencil for the shadowing. What type pencils do you use for shadowing? I'm not sure If I should've used a finer tipped pencil or a duller pencil. Any suggestions on a new scanner too?

Edit: It turns out my scanner was set to 75dpi so I set it up to 300dpi and rescanned it.
Re: An art study Posted by Crono on Wed Dec 1st 2004 at 1:31am
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Scan in gray scale unless you plan on using it immediately in a photo program (then use line art)

B is pretty dark and heavy. I don't suggest drawing or shadowing with it until you've got what you want. You really shouldn't use it outside of areas you want really dark. I usually use 8B for intense shadows and B for hard contrast lines.

In general just use a regular HB pencil, sharp, preferably non-mechanical.

I personally don't use all those different types. I find no need for them usually unless what you're drawing is a pure pencil only forever drawing you shouldn't either. If you plan on doing ANYTHING with it other then pencil, stick to HB.

You can get other types of pencils for digital art though, such as non-photo blue pencils. It doesn't show up when scanning in line art format.

Try different shading techniques: hatching, Cross hatching, blending, etc. Also, when 'filling' areas, NEVER go back and forth, always do circles, they are infinitely less visible then scribbling.
Re: An art study Posted by Spartan on Wed Dec 1st 2004 at 2:20am
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Well I am going to try different ways of scanning the picture to get it to look as close as it dose on the paper. I learned today that increasing the dpi does nothing but shove a lot more memory into the picture. Anyways the picture wasn't the point of the forum but thanks for your input crono. I'd like to get to what my original intention was. Does anybody think doing a weekly Snarkpit art study would be good?
Re: An art study Posted by Finger on Wed Dec 1st 2004 at 3:34am
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My first peice of advice, is to rough out the sketch, before you start detailing it. It's very tempting to want to jump right into all the fun shading, and such, but you will waste ALOT of time if you detail some of the picture, then find the perspective, proportions, etc... to be wrong. You're pretty much hosed at that point.

I think your study is very nice, but there are small issues with the perspective, that shoud have been seen, before the detailing part.

And I know, "It's just practice, I was just working on my shading..etc,etc" Always force yourself to follow basic guidlines, and good work habits, and you will be much better off in the long run.
Re: An art study Posted by Spartan on Wed Dec 1st 2004 at 10:51am
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<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Finger</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>My first peice of advice, is to rough out the sketch, before you start detailing it. It's very tempting to want to jump right into all the fun shading, and such, but you will waste ALOT of time if you detail some of the picture, then find the perspective, proportions, etc... to be wrong. You're pretty much hosed at that point.

I think your study is very nice, but there are small issues with the perspective, that shoud have been seen, before the detailing part.

And I know, "It's just practice, I was just working on my shading..etc,etc" Always force yourself to follow basic guidlines, and good work habits, and you will be much better off in the long run.

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I do notice the propertions are wrong in some areas such as the curve on the front of the structure is too short. I did sketch out the drawing in a light H pencil first and then used a white vinyl to erase and correct proportions. I spent one day drawing and getting the proportions correct and then another day shading and doing detail. My rocks still look like crap and I didn't finish the drawing all the way but I want to find a way to get my scanner to scan the picture and keep looking as original as it does on the paper without adding tons of useless memory to the pic. The paper sketch has much better shading I think.
Re: An art study Posted by SWATSiLeNt on Fri Dec 3rd 2004 at 2:09am
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Im going to be creating my own complexe similar to a citadel. Ill post it on here. I agree a art study would be fun. But there are a few things you might want to talk with Lep.
Re: An art study Posted by Spartan on Fri Dec 3rd 2004 at 2:28am
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I am currently drawing up eyes, nose, and lips. I am also working on a wolf head for this week.
Re: An art study Posted by Crono on Fri Dec 3rd 2004 at 4:04am
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Spartan, could you do us a favor and re-size that image you put up so it isn't almost a meg?
Re: An art study Posted by Spartan on Fri Dec 3rd 2004 at 12:52pm
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Yeah sure the dpi was set to 300 when I rescanned it so it through a bunch of useless pixels in.
Re: An art study Posted by Crono on Fri Dec 3rd 2004 at 6:51pm
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Spartan 34 said:
Yeah sure the dpi was set to 300 when I rescanned it so it through a bunch of useless pixels in.
They aren't useless. Believe me, if you ever plan on printing anything out make sure it's at 300dpi AT LEAST.

If you're just keeping it on your computer, just resize that specific image.
Re: An art study Posted by Naklajat on Sat Dec 4th 2004 at 8:40am
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apple-head

i did it in photoshop with a mouse. its not a really serious drawing, i
just sometimes get bored and draw s**tty cartoons. i like the worm
most. pip the penguin is a regular character of
mine(Aaack(penguinspeak)). i also do serious drawing, but with no
scanner and no tablet its pretty hard to upload sketches or anything
serious...