de_process

This is my very first map of anything so some experienced feedback would be much appreciated.

If you wish to play the map you may do-so here: 85.13.203.210:27035

If the map isn't already playing politley ask an admin to change it for you and I'm sure they will.















Like I said, I'm pretty knew to this so feedback on bugs, performance issues, suggestions, ideas are all very welcome.

Hope you like it.

the map looks really good. Hows it play? I will go to that server

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Yea. Servers close for now. Having some trouble uploading the map, I will let you know when its back.

Map plays pretty well. Its quite fast passed as its only small, good fun though.

Visually that looks very polished for a first effort - you should be
very proud :smile: One thing I noticed looking at the screenshots is that
almost every angle is 90 degrees; you may want to try bringing in a few
curves or non-perpendicular surfaces to spice things up a little. The
natural lighting doesn't seem to be casting much in the way of shadows
either - have you got a particularly large ambient light value on your
light_environment? Or are you running RAD with a large number of
bounces?

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Or are you running RAD with a large number of
bounces?

correct me if I'm wrong but cant you only set the max bounce unlike in
HL1 where you could set the number of bounces? I have my bounce
set at 100 and dont really go over 15 bounces, is there a way to force
light to bounce more?

I dunno, I never really looked into it to be perfectly honest. I never set my bounce value above 5 or so personally.

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Wow, I'm thoroughly impressed if that's truly your first map; hell I'm impressed either way. Its hard to judge a map's quality by screenshots, though. I fail to see a download link?

The download link is at the top of the page or if you can't be bothered
to scroll up its here: http://www.f3ck.com/dl/de_process.rar

Thanks for the comments. This is my first map, of any sort. I started
one before this but that got about 10% complete as I didn't even have a
clue what a leak was, then I started this one.

I will take your advice about things being square with one another,
thanks, I would never of thought of something like that. Also my
ambience is set pretty high, I will lower it and see what comes out.

What would you recommend is a good setting for ambience? It's set at
100 in the screenshots, I lowered it to 50 but it dosn't seem to of
made that much difference.

Sometimes differences like that don't seem to make much in the way of
change. I'd personally use something like 10 or 5 as the ambient
brightness, and rely on direct sunlight and any other light fixtures to
keep up the brightness. If you lower the ambient light level you may
want to brighten the direct lighting in order to compensate. I really
think that starker contrasts between the bright and shadowed areas will
make things that much more spiffy :smile:

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Cheers, thanks for the tips.

I've uploaded the new version and I feel its getting closer to being completed.

The map will also be on this: 85.13.203.210:27035 server in about 1 hours time, everyone is welcome to come try it out.

I d/l the map, I'll try and give it a run through and review... I'm busy now but we will see.

I've never used an ambient brightness ever, and most likely never will.

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Its on by default in source if you use a light_environment - it now has
an "ambient" property to specify ambient lighting rather than having to
use the compile tools to do it.

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Visually what I think could give your map the biggest boost is a 3d skybox. Right now it kind of has that "i'm in a box" feel since there is nothing outside of the walls to break up the skyline. There doesn't seem to be a reason that this little patch of the world has a wall around it, since you don't see too many heavily fortified walls in the middle of the prairie :smile:

I really like the lighting, although I agree it could use a bit more contrast.

Wow this looks cool.... I don't usually play CS but I will give it a try!

Visually what I think could give your map the biggest boost is a
3d skybox. Right now it kind of has that "i'm in a box" feel since
there is nothing outside of the walls to break up the skyline. There
doesn't seem to be a reason that this little patch of the world has a
wall around it, since you don't see too many heavily fortified walls in
the middle of the prairie :smile:

I totally agree, but I had real difficulty thinking of a "real" theme
for the map so I just used this induistrial kind of mish-mash theme. I
would like to add a skybox, but as I've said before, this is my first
map and I havn't quite got my head round things like skyboxes and
sounds etc yet.

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I agree about the 3d skybox. You dont need much just a few things that seem far away and outside.

You also need to clip some areas to limit player movement. I can
see alot of places that some crafty jumpers could use to get out of the
map or go somewhere they shouldn't. There are already alot of
places to get shot from you dont need any more.

Overall the map looks great, well lit, good texture work. Its quite small but I just like big maps.

First problem is this:



Find those models and turn collision to none.



Make each of those windows their own entity. I shoot one and they both break.



missing texutre, I have 0 custome texuters for my CS:S so you must have
used one that didn't come with the game. You need to change the
texture or include it with your map.

This seems like a personal problem but while I played I got great FPS
(though I do have a super fast computer now) but it was stuttering and
stuff so I checked +showbudget and found this.



-400 fps, and it was jumping up and down. Also random processes
were shooting up to max (as you can see by the tab they left behind on
the graph). I think it happens on some other maps, but I didn't
notice that problem on any offical maps.

Thanks for the feedback man, thats a great help. I'm a little busy now but I'll fix it all when I get chance.