Warning IE users

Warning IE users

Re: Warning IE users Posted by scary_jeff on Fri Jun 25th 2004 at 12:30pm
scary_jeff
1614 posts
Posted 2004-06-25 12:30pm
1614 posts 191 snarkmarks Registered: Aug 22nd 2001
A bunch of major websites (including msn search, they aren't saying exactly what sites) were hacked, and have been spreading a trojan to anybody visiting their pages using IE.

zdnet
us-cert
news.com

A fix is available here, you don't need it if you have installed XP SP2 RC2, which is unlikely.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Kage_Prototype on Fri Jun 25th 2004 at 3:00pm
Kage_Prototype
1248 posts
Posted 2004-06-25 3:00pm
1248 posts 165 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 10th 2003 Occupation: Student Location: Manchester UK
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Forceflow on Fri Jun 25th 2004 at 3:43pm
Forceflow
2420 posts
Posted 2004-06-25 3:43pm
2420 posts 451 snarkmarks Registered: Nov 6th 2003 Occupation: Engineering Student (CS) Location: Belgium
hmz ... I think i was protected by my firewall, cuz I can't find any of the dll's listed for the virus. (at Mcafee)
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Cassius on Fri Jun 25th 2004 at 3:52pm
Cassius
1989 posts
Posted 2004-06-25 3:52pm
Cassius
member
1989 posts 238 snarkmarks Registered: Aug 24th 2001
What are the DLLs?
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Forceflow on Fri Jun 25th 2004 at 4:39pm
Forceflow
2420 posts
Posted 2004-06-25 4:39pm
2420 posts 451 snarkmarks Registered: Nov 6th 2003 Occupation: Engineering Student (CS) Location: Belgium
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Gorbachev on Fri Jun 25th 2004 at 6:15pm
Gorbachev
1569 posts
Posted 2004-06-25 6:15pm
1569 posts 264 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 1st 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Norton tells me when this stuff occurs, I've seen it happen from some websites. As well I just ran a few other scans last night by habit and had nothing. Besides I don't support those corporate websites and very rarely visit them. :razz:
Re: Warning IE users Posted by m0p on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 1:39am
m0p
55 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 1:39am
m0p
member
55 posts 16 snarkmarks Registered: Jun 19th 2004
I'm not gonna get affected then.

/me uses Mozilla FireFox :smile:
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Crono on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 2:15am
Crono
6628 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 2:15am
Crono
super admin
6628 posts 700 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 19th 2003 Location: Oregon, USA
I just want to point out that, even though I don't like IE, there's no reason for Mozilla users to get too cocky here. The only reason why IE is getting these viruses is because more people use it, that's it.

If more people used Mozilla, it'd be getting more attacks.

You're computer is NEVER safe.

Someone once said that the only way to secure your computer from attacks was to put it in a lead safe and toss it in the atlantic ocean ... you should probably chain it to the ocean floor just to make sure.

[/meaningless rant]
Re: Warning IE users Posted by DesPlesda on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 5:52am
DesPlesda
204 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 5:52am
204 posts 30 snarkmarks Registered: Feb 14th 2002 Occupation: Student Location: Tasmania, Australia
This is true to some extent, but the reason that IE has been cracked so many times cannot entirely be that it is the most popular browser. Mozilla is more secure than IE, to a degree (whitelisted XPIs, integrated popup blockers, etc), so don't assume that if it became more popular than IE it would suddenly be the victim of the same level of attacks. It would certainly be targetted the same amount, but it wouldn't be the victim as often.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Crono on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 6:40am
Crono
6628 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 6:40am
Crono
super admin
6628 posts 700 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 19th 2003 Location: Oregon, USA
I didn't say IE had more or even the same amount of security as ... any other browser; but this is a funny term when talking about browsers, really, because it depends on the user using it.

All I was pointing out was that no one's computer is really safe, that's all.

In other words. Mozilla can be as insecure and unprotected as IE and vice versa. But, by default, Mozilla has more blockers from outside material and generally refuses raw executable files. These are probably the only BIG reasons why Mozilla is generally 'more secure'. It's just with IE the bugs, problems, and holes are more obvious.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by DesPlesda on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 6:49am
DesPlesda
204 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 6:49am
204 posts 30 snarkmarks Registered: Feb 14th 2002 Occupation: Student Location: Tasmania, Australia
That, and Mozilla is updated more often..
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Crono on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 7:36am
Crono
6628 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 7:36am
Crono
super admin
6628 posts 700 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 19th 2003 Location: Oregon, USA
Yeah, well once is more often then never :lol:

Mozilla's bugs are addressed faster then IEs, of course.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Forceflow on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 11:18am
Forceflow
2420 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 11:18am
2420 posts 451 snarkmarks Registered: Nov 6th 2003 Occupation: Engineering Student (CS) Location: Belgium
Come on guys, don't get into another "Teh Firefox vs. Teh IE"-struggle.

It's not about the browser. It's about the internet experience. :biggrin:
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 4:48pm
Gorbachev
1569 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 4:48pm
1569 posts 264 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 1st 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
I've had equal amounts of garbage stuff try and download from both my FireFox and IE. Since I have to turn on most of the options to actually view pages normally.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 5:17pm
Orpheus
13860 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 5:17pm
Orpheus
member
13860 posts 2024 snarkmarks Registered: Aug 26th 2001 Occupation: Long Haul Trucking Location: Long Oklahoma - USA
i have always used IE, i prefer it.. but would like to say that i have never received any virus's/trojans/bugs that i didn't actively seek.. in other words, if i was stupid enuff to visit questionable sites, well guess what? :rolleyes:

if you are stupid enuff to open an un-scanned zip file, you deserve what happens, and if you are crazy enuff to open an unidentified .exe file.. you do NOT have my sympathies.

i have had a router, through all of my broadband experiences, and nothing has slipped in to my knowledge.. anything i have gotten, was directly due to visiting iffy sites.

/ IE supportive rant.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 5:46pm
Gorbachev
1569 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 5:46pm
1569 posts 264 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 1st 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
It starts downloading without your knowledge Orph. You'd never know unless you had a virus scanner. It starts download .jar, .exe and other garbage and potentially harmful files. It's not something you voluntarily do. I have a router too...but it wouldn't block this kind of stuff as it's requested traffic.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by scary_jeff on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 6:20pm
scary_jeff
1614 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 6:20pm
1614 posts 191 snarkmarks Registered: Aug 22nd 2001
Genuinely I didn't mean to start any kind of browser war. I know we get a fair few 'help me with virus/spyware' threads, and I just wanted to make sure people who don't visit tech news sites knew about this new 'critical' security risk.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 6:47pm
Orpheus
13860 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 6:47pm
Orpheus
member
13860 posts 2024 snarkmarks Registered: Aug 26th 2001 Occupation: Long Haul Trucking Location: Long Oklahoma - USA
Gorbachev said:
It starts downloading without your knowledge Orph. You'd never know unless you had a virus scanner. It starts download .jar, .exe and other garbage and potentially harmful files. It's not something you voluntarily do. I have a router too...but it wouldn't block this kind of stuff as it's requested traffic.
then, if its something i didn't actually seek, then the virus scanner is my only real option, cause.. if its gonna come to me unbeknownst.. actually i dunno what to say.. other than a trojan/virus isn't enuff incentive to switch browsers IMO..

lets hope, its restricted to some sites i don't visit :smile:
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jun 26th 2004 at 7:08pm
Gorbachev
1569 posts
Posted 2004-06-26 7:08pm
1569 posts 264 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 1st 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
It can happen with any browser. As crono said it's just how it's set up.
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Hornpipe2 on Sun Jun 27th 2004 at 12:49am
Hornpipe2
636 posts
Posted 2004-06-27 12:49am
636 posts 123 snarkmarks Registered: Sep 7th 2003 Occupation: Programmer Location: Conway, AR, USA
IE is only half the problem - the other half is IIS, which gets constantly updated yet remains vulnerable regardless.

Can you tell I like Apache?
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Crono on Sun Jun 27th 2004 at 9:24am
Crono
6628 posts
Posted 2004-06-27 9:24am
Crono
super admin
6628 posts 700 snarkmarks Registered: Dec 19th 2003 Location: Oregon, USA
OH MY GOD!! IIS is Satan.

Dear Lord! what a piece of s**t!
Its only beaten in amount of bugs by sendmail.

Apache is alright for free stuff. Granted it can be fairly good ... I've seen some really cool SAP stuff though :biggrin:
Re: Warning IE users Posted by Forceflow on Sun Jun 27th 2004 at 9:46am
Forceflow
2420 posts
Posted 2004-06-27 9:46am
2420 posts 451 snarkmarks Registered: Nov 6th 2003 Occupation: Engineering Student (CS) Location: Belgium
Crono said:
OH MY GOD!! IIS is Satan.

Dear Lord! what a piece of s**t!
Its only beaten in amount of bugs by sendmail.
Haha ... sendmail = :grenade:
Re: Warning IE users Posted by scary_jeff on Sun Jun 27th 2004 at 1:34pm
scary_jeff
1614 posts
Posted 2004-06-27 1:34pm
1614 posts 191 snarkmarks Registered: Aug 22nd 2001
Apache is alright for free stuff
I thought two thirds of the internet is running apache?

more than that