UK politics

What a complete joke this is. Not only is the current government a complete shambles, but a bunch of retarded monkeys in the Conservatives are either too stupid to realise that Duncan Smith is an immense politician who's been doing the best job anyone could of getting things back on track, or are too short sighted to realise now that there is absolutely no chance of winning the next election now and this country will continue getting screwed up the ass by Labour for the next 6 years or so. Bah!

still, You gotta laugh :razz:

Note that whenever a government is in power, the opposition looks more attractive. I find it amusing that the Labour government is now villified in much the same way as the Conservative one was before it. Such is the effect of being under the spotlight.

I think perhaps it would be good to have a regular change of Prime Minister, since the job must turn any normal human being into an obsessive workaholic paranoid control freak :biggrin:

I must admit that I like the new Conservative talk of "less schoolboy bickering in the Houses of Parliament, less rhetoric, more cooperation". But I can't tell if it's anything more than talk.

"The grass is always greener".

... he says after practically basing it on the last 12 years, and ignoring the other 300 :razz: But ho-hum, if it puts you off politics, it can't be a bad thing!

I think JCR meetings and hustings have put me off politics more than anything else Gawd, they're so full of themselves.....

I'm glad I've managed to avoid falling into the vapid black hole that is student politics.

Leperous said:
What a complete joke this is. Not only is the current government a complete shambles, but a bunch of retarded monkeys in the Conservatives are either too stupid to realise that Duncan Smith is an immense politician who's been doing the best job anyone could of getting things back on track, or are too short sighted to realise now that there is absolutely no chance of winning the next election now and this country will continue getting screwed up the ass by Labour for the next 6 years or so. Bah!

wow, these political discussions used to come in so subtly!

my rant

it's obvious that not many ppl here actually remember the thatcher years. she was a fu**ing lunatic, and we're only begining to see some of the long term effects of the damage she done. i'm not defending blair either. the only reason he got a second term is 'cause of how much of a fu**-up the tories made before him. now that he's been found out too (tony blair mp = im tory plan b ), i'd be looking at a lib government getting in soon. fu**, it's only gonna get worse.

anyway, i reckon that anyone who puts in the effort required to become prime minister must be some sort of power hungry freak, and shouldn't be trusted. a bit simplistic, yes. but some things are.

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There are some ancient philosophies of politics that suggest only those who do not desire power should be given it. The philosopher-kings of Republic, for instance.

Stupid idea though, making philosophers into politicians. They'd never get anything done. I mean, can you imagine me as PM? :heee:

IDS may be a good political brain but he doesn't make a good person for the leader of a party imo. I don't have a particular reason for saying that.

Your reason is because of the negative media he's had over the last 2 years, over, well, nothing really :/

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"Conservatism isn't a political opinion, its a disease"

I can't remember who said that though. Did you hear that some labour MP were wearing badges saying "Support IDS" lol.



^ What a looser

Leperous said:
Your reason is because of the negative media he's had over the last 2 years, over, well, nothing really :/

Are you a tory? That's worse luck if you are... :razz:

And he is a bad leader - he doesn't have majority support (obviously), he's meek and mild, and for the past year Labour have made so many fluff ups and he and his party have sat on their hands and said... well.... pretty much nothing in criticism!

Not much of an opposition. Personally I don't think youre going to get people voting for the Conservatives anytime soon, just think - we are too young to remember they did what Labour are doing for over a decade.. people are becoming desperate with the way this country is going down the pan.

I'd say Labour victory, Lib Dem having massive rises (not sure if theyll become the 2nd party), the Tories having another poor election and parties like the BNP having a massive rise in support.

take a good look at all of them, and ask yourself if you can see anyone that you would bye a second hand car from.

Hell I'd think twice about buying a mars bar from 'em...

I voted for Lib Dem in the last election, simply because it just before I as about to go to uni, and I liked their policy about that! But I still think they are okay, Maybe not Charlie in charge though! Good leader, but not international standard!

Labour economically speaking left us in a right bum hole before thatcher came along, I think what she did needed to be done, the price we pay now is better than what we would have paid then! bearing in mind she has been one of the longest serving PM's and also Retired, not out voted! We didn't know much about the boom and bust theory, And labour have simply built on the foundation laid down by ken clark, and gave Interest rates over to the bank of England (Which was the best thing they did! and it also abstained them from any blame conveniently if another bust were to happen!)

"I wear the trousers, I also wash and iron them" - Denis Thatcher.

mmmm, mars bar, deep fried in fat, mmmmm....

Most politicians must be farmers, where else could they get so much bulls**t ? In a democracy it doesn't matter much which party is in power IMO, as long as they're not extremists.

My vote goes to the Monster Raving Loony Party.

Don't forget 16+ should be able to vote!

In this country? Hahahahahahahah... yeah right.

thursday- said:
Don't forget 16+ should be able to vote!

OK "Thursday", if that is your real name, I shall say this only once. Sixteen year olds don't know their own minds. they would be a target for extreme right wing filth like the BNP, and as much as I dislike the conservatives, I would hate to have the BNP in power. Nay, 18 is a good age to start voting.

Another point is that the % of the population who are actually turning out to vote has been dropping other the past few years, what with all the stories and "scandal" in the tabloids and the Iraq issue, its entirly possible that this figure will drop even further. So think before you post "Thurday"

Sixteen year olds don't know their own minds.
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So think before you post "Thurday"

My, you've become awfully condescending upon the sudden, Matt. Pray, how long has it been since your venerable self was last sixteen?

I don't know about other people here, but at the age of sixteen I was not a moron. Indeed, I am quite sure that, had I voted, I would have made a much more rational decision than the vast majority of "adult" voters.

It is a shame that adults so easily forget what it is like to be a child. We assume that, as we acquire more experience, we become superior and our opinions become more valid. Perhaps part of the magic of parenthood is that it can teach you the error in this assumption; children have a lot to teach us, you know.

By the way, why does your avatar look so.....rubbish? There's all sorts of polygon glitches in there - are they the result of intent or just incompetence? :razz:

You misunderstand me. There may be some people who, at 16 <I>can <I>make a rational judgement about who they wish to vote for. But speaking broadly teenagers are too absessed with anything but politics to have a clue who to vote for. I think that just about any sane person who you ask would say that teenagers do not know enough of their own mind to be able to make a decision like voting. And don't ever call me condiscending.

Matt, I swear upon all that is holy to me (such as my command of the English language): I shall never call you condiscending Nonetheless, you must know how singularly ineffective internet threats are. And if you don't, you'd better learn it now - or else :biggrin:

I do so hate the rhetoric, "If you ask any sane person". It almost invariably indicates an inability to conceive of other points of view. And that is the calling-card of the far right!

Edit I see that Lep is fiddling with the italics code (trying to get rid of those <EM> tags)

Maybe you weren't a moron, but the vast majority of the country was (and, er, still is, judging by Daily Mail etc. circulation figures). I think the point is that people, regardless of how stupid they are, aren't going to go vote for someone because "it's cool" or their friends are when they're over 18 or so, unlike if they're still at school...

You really think any self-respecting teenager would admit to voting at all? I expect few teenagers vote, and the ones that do are likely to be the geeky ones with an active interest in politics - eg. school debating team, young conservatives etc.

I really can't see voting as a way to look cool. Besides, it's a secret ballot, right?

Not seriously, no, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't happen, and I'm certainly still young enough to see how it might be 'cool' to vote for someone crap for a laugh :smile:

Yeah we had that at school. We had a class vote about some school council or whatever and half the class voted for some moron for a laugh.

Sorry about the strong opinions, but when i see something i disagree with...

Anyway, its good to have a livly debate about something instead of the usual "My new website" etc.