FPS Creator

I don't think anything related to FPS
Creator has been posted at the forum yet. Have you guys
seen or heard of it?

It jolts a shock of panic through my body as I learned of it (from a
gaming magazine). The graphics quality is low, and the level
design process prohibits creativity. Most importantly, it encourages
mappers (if you can even call them that) to make boxy maps that lack
vertical gameplay. However, this program allows
any n00b to churn out a map in less than an hour.

I hope it never becomes popular. The biggest obstacle it faces is
that it doesn't generate maps for any existing game engine.
Consequently, there isn't an existing audience for the game itself.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

satchmo said:
I don't think anything related to FPS Creator has been posted at the forum yet.

No, but there was a thread about a random map generator for HL1. I never understood how it could create a functioning map but I did hear of it.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

This is NOT a random map generator. The user has total control
over how the map will turn out. However, there are just a lot of
inherent restrictions in the editor, in order to make the whole process
simpler.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

A few words sprang to mind as I looked through the site:

Boring.

Generic.

Dumbed-down.

Cookie-cutter.

Ugly.

Limited.

I really don't think something like this will catch on. If there
was technology in this product that surpassed what was offered right
now, perhaps people would buy it... but from what I could tell it
looked like level editor that came with Marathon.

I doubt this program will have a bad effect on our Half-Life community. An editor so simplistic is unlikely to interest good mappers, however, its likely to draw away the n00bs who seem unable to read compile logs and figure things out on their own. In any case, I doubt it will become popular.

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"If you talk at all during this lesson, you have detention. Do you understand?"

• My yr11 Economics teacher

What I worry about is that this editor will prevent a beginner mapper
to ever become a good mapper. It really sets the standard
low. The maps it generate look like a throw-back to Quake II.

Imagine if you have never heard of mapping, and you saw this program
first. You would think this is a gift from God. And perhaps
you would never dip your hands in real mapping, and never realizing
your true potential.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Addicted to Morphine said:
A few words sprang to mind as I looked through the site:

Boring.
Generic.
Dumbed-down.
Cookie-cutter.
Ugly.
Limited.

I really don't think something like this will catch on.

One word springs to my mind however. "KILLBOX"

you just described a killbox and look how popular they are. There truly are enough stupid people to make anything popular.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Edit: @ satchmo:

I dunno... judging from the website it looked like the program would
frustrate and scare off anyone who had a serious desire to create
something.

You know what it's like? One of those "dress-up" magnet sets...
how many times can you dress up "David" before you get bored?

I highly doubt we'll lose any mapping prodigies to this hokum.

<div class="quote"><div class="quotetitle">? quoting Underdog:</div><div class="quotetext">One word springs to my mind however. "KILLBOX"

you just described a killbox and look how popular they are. There truly are enough stupid people to make anything popular.

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Edit: Good
point... I hadn't even realized the similarities, but you're
right. I described killboxes exactly. The only reason why I
don't think you can compare FPS creator to killboxes in HL2 is:
killboxes are just s**tty maps made for a great game and
a great engine.... whereas things made by FPS Creators looks like
s**tty maps made for a
s**tty game / engine / whatever this is. The foundation isn't
there...

Addicted to Morphine said:
The foundation isn't there...

The foundation is "Stupid People"

Seems to be a commodity that is never in short supply.

But, I get your point.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Wow, beautiful!



Especially the ceiling texture. The floor isn't bad either.

It took me less than 10 minutes to get a level with multiple
enemies, room, weapons and interactable objects working

As its name implies this is a tool for creating action-packed
FPS games with no programming or 3D modelling knowledge
required.

So, this program is used to pump out FPS games? I bet those games will turn out amazing.

Seriously though, I doubt whatever a program like this one is ever
going to be able to create will exceed the real thing, made by people
who love doing it. Think about all the ingenious games out there. A
program like this can't create something like that.

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What the Snarkpitters listen to!

One of those "dress-up" magnet sets...
how many times can you dress up "David" before you get bored?

Hey, I got that magnet from my brother before I left for my honeymoon in Italy. :smile:

Currently, he's wearing a t-shirt but with no boxer.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Haha typical doctor, always making people take off their pants! :razz:

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What the Snarkpitters listen to!

Wow, beautiful!



Especially the ceiling texture. The floor isn't bad either.

Gah. If that's all this program can do, here's what I have to say:

I can build a better looking Doom map with more realistic lighting. And Doom didn't actually have "light" so to speak.

Honestly: Who are these guys trying to kid? Maybe people
who have never really dabled in game development will find it
interesting -- kinda like the Genisis3D11 which was what I was first
ever introduced to (yup, WorldCraft came afterwards, and it was a God
send from that hideous-joke-of-a-map-editor Genisis!)

Edit:

I wanted to show you that because apparently, the website feels that is a screenshot to "pimp off" their editor.

I have the amazing urge to write something very negative about this program, but I've got no idea what to say :x

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Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

Has anyone tried out the demo?

Also, check out the showcase forum for some h0tt visual pwnage. omglOLZ!!1eleven

I don't see what the problem is. People aknowlede the final product,
not the way it was made. A blocky map will always be dissed by the ones
who's opinions really matter.

[size=13]Grrrrr! These kind of things really piss me off!!



Unlike proper games and mapping, you cant do any complex archaetecure.
Its pretty much like mapping for Doom1. And the graphics are appaling.
All the maps end up as linnear boxes with windows. What I dont
understand is how they say, "You can make commercial quality games."
WTF! From the screenies all the levels have no sense of detail or
intrest. Everything is just corridors and rooms. You can have complex
details and archaetecture such as in Half-Life. Only bare corridors and
monsters.



Check the picture on the right. Disgusting!!

"Create multi-level games (up to 50 levels)"

What if I dont wanna make a game that has levels! What about like Half-Life, or Battlefield 2?



Wtf, it is a sqaure room with repetitve sprites.

"
Q: Can I have rooms above other rooms? Or dungeons / cellars?

A: Yes absolutely! You can create levels up to 20 floors height."

Wtf!! So your "map" has to be limited to floors and levels. How bloody boring!!

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Q: What about massive landscapes like in Joint Operations?

A: As much as I'd like to see terrain in there, it's not going to
happen for a while. FPS games vary in their inclusion of terrain a lot

• Doom3 had none, while Far Cry sort of has it, but it's still an

enclosed area, so it's fake in a way. Joint Ops had what we would term
as "massive terrain" (hundreds of KM map). Painkiller on the other hand
was totally enclosed, but still had lots of outdoor areas. Right now
we're concentrating on that "enclosed" type of game. Which means yes
you can model full outdoor scenes, you just can't have the player
roaming over hills and mountains."

"
Q: Can you make cool weapons like those motion detecting bombs from Half Life?

A: Yes. A motion-detecting bomb would be an entity that tracks the
distance of the player, triggers an explosion causing player damage,
and then destroys itself."

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Everyone on that site (Judging by avatars and speech) seem/sound to be about 11/12 years old.

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Well, this is the new generation of game desing :X

Gone are the days of skill, dedication and commitment. Gone are the
days of hours mapping with skill, learning complex languages, with the
result of truly awsome games. All has been replaced with L337 12 year
old's making their little monster-flooded killboxes in an hour. It
seems to be the same condition with mapping.[/size]

Why are you just noticing this now? The internet is full of freeware
engines; it isn't a shock. This program can be good, in ways, where you
are forced to use limited technology to build something. Therefore
utilizing it in the best way possible teachs you something about
dedicated work towards a goal.

Graphics aren't everything. Everyone has to start somewhere. I tried
this and deleted it (which I knew would happen when I clicked Download),
but freeware engines still intrigue me - I want to do a project using
one of them (possibly Ogre 3D or something along those lines) creating
just a basic game, offering nothing new to the FPS genre or gameplay in
general.

As much as you hate and despise this program, it isn't going anywhere.
True, thousands of people will possibly download this, make a box and
then release it as "Journey through Madness Part One: My Boxed in
Mind", but that isn't the point. Most of them will find the process
enjoyable and divulge deeper into the hobby while others will yell
"WHAT IS A LIGHT" and uninstall the program.

[size=13]
Well, this is the new generation of game desing :X

Gone are the days of skill, dedication and commitment. Gone are the
days of hours mapping with skill, learning complex languages, with the
result of truly awsome games. All has been replaced with L337 12 year
old's making their little monster-flooded killboxes in an hour. It
seems to be the same condition with mapping.

Because the community today is honestly nothing at all like that. We all f**king wear top hats and s**t diamonds.

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"Because no n00b is a good n00b."

Take that for irony, someone had this as their signature in the forums!

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<div class="abouttext">Message submitted 13 minutes after original post:</b></div>
"Physics: 10/10 - Better than most commercial games, but sometimes too
good! Simply the best game engine ever created!" ? A genuine opinion by
Chris B (FPSC User)"

Of course! Crappy games with junk engines such as battlefield 2 and Half-life 2 can never beat a 5 minute kill-box!

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I would love to change the world, But they would'nt give me the source code.

Physics: 10/10 - Better than most commercial games, but sometimes too
good!

Can someone please explain to me how any game physics system can be too good?

It's like saying "OMG, the game is too realistic. I just can't
take it anymore. My little n00b head is gonna explode."

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Chill Doc. If this really bothers you, you must have a very big bottle of tranquilizers to deal with parents at your clinic.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Yeah, sometimes I feel like I need to administer the tranquilizer both to the parents and to myself.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

satchmo said:
Yeah, sometimes I feel like I need to administer the tranquilizer both to the parents and to myself.

/me pets. :kitty:

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

It kinda reminds me of the Ken Silverman's BUILD engine. But that was ten years ago. People have come to expect slightly more than this (I hope).

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Better to be in denial than to be human.

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