Items respawn at a weird place

I'm having the weirdest problem with some random items (various ammo boxes, batteries ect.). I put them where I want them in Hammer and when first starting the map in game they are where they're supposed to be but once I pick em up instead of respawning at their initial point they respawn pretty much on the other side of the map.

It turned out that they spawn at the 0,0,0 (x,y,z) coordinates of the Hammer grid (literally in the middle of nowhere :wink: ). So I assume there are some problems with the point where I place them. I put them a few units above ground, turned them, put them a little more to the left/right. Doesn't seem to help.

Another item spawning problem which I think is a bit different is that items spawn underneath func_details and displacements. They fall right through them at spawn. This one seems solvable with some tools textures but the 0,0,0 coordinate spawn I do not understand. They spawn over a nice, solid, concrete floor.

if you have somethin spawning at 000 it means they don't know where to go. Recheck your entities, go through every option and make sure its right.

Also you are mapping for hl2dm? maybe if you post your compile log.

HL2DM, yes.

Looks like I haven't done a full VIS compile in ages. Could that create any errors?

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Creating default cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_day01_05*.vmt
Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.

No such variable "$hdrbasetexture" for material "skybox/sky_day01_05rt"
Can't load skybox file skybox/sky_day01_05 to build the default cubemap!
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
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Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Water found with no water_lod_control entity, creating a default one.
Compacting texture/material tables...
Reduced 1904 texinfos to 1192
Reduced 139 texdatas to 112 (5018 bytes to 3687)
Writing c:\spiele\steam\steamapps\reaper47@gmx.at\sourcesdk_content\hl2mp\mapsrc\dm_3006_alpha1.bsp
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reading c:\spiele\steam\steamapps\reaper47@gmx.at\sourcesdk_content\hl2mp\mapsrc\dm_3006_alpha1.bsp
reading c:\spiele\steam\steamapps\reaper47@gmx.at\sourcesdk_content\hl2mp\mapsrc\dm_3006_alpha1.prt
1207 portalclusters
3696 numportals
0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10Optimized: 38509 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 520886
Average clusters visible: 431
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 810
visdatasize:244035 compressed from 366928
writing c:\spiele\steam\steamapps\reaper47@gmx.at\sourcesdk_content\hl2mp\mapsrc\dm_3006_alpha1.bsp
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[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[45 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']

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nothing out of the ordinary. Not doing VIS or RAD can create some problems, but not with props and wepons I would think.

There are two things you should try, first make a new map and place some wepons and a light in there, if it all works then you know its not a game/hammer problem.

If that works then go through your current map and start hiding non-essential things, like func_detail, any volumetric entities (trigger_vphysics, etc.) and other point based entities. I ussaly turn them all off then bring a number of them back into the map untill the problem happens again, so I can limit myself to just a few entities thay may cause the problem.

Give that a try and hit us back.

The problem disappeared as unexpectedly as it appeared. If some of you have a similar problem, I'm sorry, I don't know what and if I changed anything to fix it. All I found is that it only seems to happen if there's a displacement brush underneth the item (even if it's inside a brush, thus not visible to the player!). Anyway, it's gone. :smile: