NumPortal error

Re: NumPortal error Posted by Dark|Killer on Sat Oct 1st 2005 at 12:46pm

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Posted 2005-10-01 12:46pm

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Hey sup all,

Iv been sensing lag in my map, so i thought adding area portals will
help, i added 6 area portals and compiled, but the map didnt open so i
removed some and left 4..

And compiled, but the same thing happens, here are the pictures from hammer, it shows that everything looks fine...

1)

Red line is the areaportal and the black is the skybox intersection, i dont know whats the problem with that...

2)

Another brush copied from that other location in num1 and put it here, no porblems i think with that...

3)

Last 2 areaportals, 1 through a garage door, the other is with the
door, both tied to door, and btw, that door isnt showing becuase i put
entites off at the right area, so guys, whats the problem of the leak
or what ever??

Compile log is down here please check it and help me...

Here is the compile log, i didnt understand the areportal errors, but
well, maybe you can help me guys...plus look at the time it took to
compile =(

** Executing... 

** Command: "e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk\bin\vbsp.exe" 

** Parameters:
-game "e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life
2\hl2"
"E:\Steam\SteamApps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk_content\hl2\mapsrc\thehauntedmansion01_2" 

 

Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Jan 19 2005) 

2 threads 

materialPath: e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life 2\hl2\materials 

Loading E:\Steam\SteamApps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk_content\hl2\mapsrc\thehauntedmansion01_2.vmf 

fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides... 

ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (1) 

ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0) 

Processing
areas...Wrote
E:\Steam\SteamApps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk_content\hl2\mapsrc\thehauntedmansion01_2.lin 

 

Brush 3926: areaportal brush doesn't touch two areas 

 

Brush 3926: areaportal brush doesn't touch two areas 

 

Brush 3926: areaportal brush doesn't touch two areas 

 

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Brush 3899: areaportal brush doesn't touch two areas 

 

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by Madedog on Sat Oct 1st 2005 at 3:39pm

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huh :o

I can't figure out what made you create a huge areaportal in middle of
skybox but... it's not how these things go! Oh no, no, no!

Areaportal is a thing that is used in DOORframes! When door is closed,
the areaportal is closed (you set it up in the output tabs...) and when
the door is opened, so is the areaportal. Another thing would be to
make an areaportalwindow, in which case you need to have a WINDOW
covering the area...

I'm not telling that you are stupid.. you are just inexperienced in
areaportals.. that's all.. if you want to optimize the map, fire it
away to my garden, I feel that I'd need to optimize something.

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by Crono on Sat Oct 1st 2005 at 5:38pm

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Posted 2005-10-01 5:38pm

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You reduce the compiling time by fixing the area portal, it wont say there's a problem if there isn't one, you should know.

This makes sense, since Vis is what's taking so long. And that's all area portals deal with ... it's placed improperly making vis do some intensive calculations (creating more leafs then what is needed) and this would make it take much longer.

But, go through making sure all the brushes are snug inside whatever portal area you want. And if it still does it, deleting the brush and making it again seems to solve a lot in hammer.

But as madedog said ... area portals are used for small openings. It looks like, you were trying to split your map with them, which creates new leafs. Look up the specifics of the entity on hl2 world or Valve's Wiki and it'll tell you just what you want to use it for.

Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Re: NumPortal error Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Sat Oct 1st 2005 at 10:09pm

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Posted 2005-10-01 10:09pm

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It looks like your trying to use area portals to split vis leafs. You should use hints for this (tools/hint).

Until Later...

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by omegaslayer on Sun Oct 2nd 2005 at 2:42am

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Posted 2005-10-02 2:42am

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It looks like your trying to use area portals to split vis leafs. You should use hints for this (tools/hint).

Until Later...

-until later part, I concur witht his statement. Read some tutorials on
how to use are portals and hint brushes first, because in those first
two shots is a total incorrect use of area portals. They arent meant to
do that in that big of an open space.

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Sun Oct 2nd 2005 at 5:19am

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Posted 2005-10-02 5:19am

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I think you missunderstood the until later part. I almost always
put that at the end of my posts, just I thing I do I guess.

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by Dark|Killer on Sun Oct 2nd 2005 at 11:45am

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Posted 2005-10-02 11:45am

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Yeh guys i think i maybe a noob for this area portal stuff, but when i
decompiled cs_assualt, hey used 2 areaportals in open spaces...I dont
know how but i thought that this is how it works, well i fixed it now,
i removed the areaportals but kept the ones on the door, but uhh, it
didnt work,i put mat_wirefram, and i still can see whats behind the
door =\ why is that??

And one more thing, about the hint brushes, i removed them from my map since they reduced 20 mins of my compiling time...

But ill try puting them back and ill see what happen

Ill post pics too...

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Sun Oct 2nd 2005 at 10:08pm

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Make sure you have Name of Linked door set to the name of your
door. The area portal most also be the size of the door frame and
touch both sides outside the door.

If there is any gab, the areaportal will fail.

Hope this helps.

Until Later...

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by MeanDroneFrog on Mon Oct 3rd 2005 at 9:10am

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by omegaslayer on Wed Oct 5th 2005 at 6:43pm

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Yeh guys i think i maybe a noob for this area portal stuff, but when i
decompiled cs_assualt, hey used 2 areaportals in open spaces...I dont
know how but i thought that this is how it works, well i fixed it now,
i removed the areaportals but kept the ones on the door, but uhh, it
didnt work,i put mat_wirefram, and i still can see whats behind the
door =\ why is that??

And one more thing, about the hint brushes, i removed them from my map since they reduced 20 mins of my compiling time...

But ill try puting them back and ill see what happen

Ill post pics too...

You need to set the view distance, up close it wont work, because it
will draw whats in there, but set it to a begin fade at 128 or 64 and
you'll see it slowly transition away.

On the subject of decopiling: you should only use it to gain knowlege
about entites, nothing else. While the newest version can do
displacements and brushes, it still has a hard time with the original
brush that was used for Displacements, Occluders, and area portals.

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by Dark|Killer on Sun Oct 9th 2005 at 12:20pm

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Posted 2005-10-09 12:20pm

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You need to set the view distance, up close it wont work, because it
will draw whats in there, but set it to a begin fade at 128 or 64 and
you'll see it slowly transition away.

Hey omega, i just checked this thing again, but i really wanted to make
it more clear, the distance\fading thing is only for areaportal window,
and if i want to put an areaportal in lare opening areas, there are no
windows to complete the areaportal settings...

Please explain to me how to use areaportals other than small openings,
for i have found the correct way to use areaportals in small areas :biggrin:

Please reply

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Re: NumPortal error Posted by omegaslayer on Sun Oct 9th 2005 at 11:47pm

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Area portals should only be used to separate small portions of the map
form the big ones (eg: a house in a large out door map), other wise
there isnt much you can use with area portals in large areas. Thats
where LOD fog comes in handly. Have you tired looking into that?

PS: only use windows, the only time you use doors is if you want to
turn the area portal on and off based on whether a door is open or not.

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