Show_budget

<span style="color: lightblue;">Ok ive come to finnalising my map and i need to start working on the opptimisation. can any one help me with what to change in response to the showbudget? at the moment the two largest bars are the World textures and the Model textures.

ive never realy had many problems with frame rates so this is my first serious time using the show budget. any help is much appriciated.

cheers in advance.

Hark
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You are using the command +showbudget right? From your discription it sounds like you are using the showtexturebudget command.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Harkonan</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext><SPAN style="COLOR: lightblue">and i need to start working on the opptimisation.

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I've often wondered how the concept of "Waiting" to do something in a map ever panned out. Hell, I've even wondered how a misconception like that ever occurred.

I have seen people wait until its to late to align textures to the point where they actually scrap the entire map because the job of doing so is so enormous.

Optimization is a process that should begin with the first solid used until the very last moment before releasing.

I do not envy your task. I hope you succeed, but if you fail you have only your poor education in mapping to blame.

I sincerely hope you've learned something.

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thanks dark, ive found im using the textuer show budget, im now working with the +showbudget.

Orpheus....
it seems i have inflamed your suppiriority complex. actualy I have been
working on ensuring my map has been optimised. hence why all my maps
before the current havent needed me to use the show budget. This time
however as i have playtested ive found a few spots of low framerate.
the frame rate in these areas hat about 25, and i like to keep within
30.

hence why im trying to learn around the showbudget
feature. I get the feeling you have heared of constructive critisism,
but dont realy fully understand. here are a few pointers for you:

-dont launch in to a self satisfying rant about what every one else is dong wrong
-dont assume every one is a compleate idiot, youll only make one of your self
-talking down to people doesnt help

i hope you succeed, but if you fail you only have your ego to blame.

thanks again dark.

Here's a thought:

Look at our membership numbers. Notice the difference?

Now consider this, I have been part of more maps, than most people have ever played.

Don't set yourself up as my teacher, and I won't remind you how knowledgeable I am. Or how very little you have contributed here. :rolleyes:

My comment was genuine. My experience tells me (judging by your lack of respect for one of this sites longest contributers of mapping) that you have a bit to go before you are in any position to extrapolate my usefulness.

Keep your opinions about "Me" to yourself. If you want to discuss mapping go right ahead, otherwise, shut up.

I base my comments on what others write. If you are not smart enough to write it down correctly, don't blame me if I post something that hurts your feelings.

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well to be honest I couldnt give a damn about your experiance
nor how many posts you have (i wonder how many were nasty comments
making you feel supirior). remember its Quality of Quantity admitidly i can only judge on the posts. but then being good at the subject doesnt make you a good teacher.

I hate to be nigly, but you decided to put
your self in the position of 'teacher' and reminded me how supposedly
lowly i am at the same time. so maybe you shouldnt be suprised when
some one talks back. I have no issue with your knowlage nor with how
many maps you've made. I have a problem with the fact that you, with
minimal infomationd decided that i was to be treated like some sort of
idiot. wouldnt a good advisor, or teacher first try and get some more
infomation? somthing like "How much optimisation have you done so far
on this map, or from what point did you start."

as a foot note, i have no lack of respect for this site, nor any one
who wants to give good advice to people who need it. i do have a lack
of respect for any one who uses that position to ride the high horse.
maybe its time you got of your pedistal from builtfrom all your posts
and rememberd what you need to actualy say to people to help.
oh well i doubt you will realy care, as you have obviously prejudged me from "what i have writen", e.g. the first post (ever considered becoming a speach analyst? if you can work out that much about me from three lines, youd be an asset to the community).
so feel free to follow this up with another selfricious speach about how amazing you are and how lowly i am. im sure it will make you feel a lot better about your self. enjoy.

I wonder, has anyone ever done a poll to find out exactly where these noisome little punks come from?

They arrive with so much piss and vinegar and it never occurs to them to check into who they are arguing with.

Be that as it may.... I have nothing further that could be considered constructive or pertinent to the question.

My advice, learn how to pose your question or be satisfied with the fact that someone like me will point out your error. :rolleyes: .

Let me say this once more for the listening impaired. I only commented upon YOUR WORDS. If you don't like it, think before you post.

<SPAN style="COLOR: lightblue">[quote=Harkonan]and i need to start working on the opptimisation. [/quote]</SPAN>

<SPAN style="COLOR: lightblue">And to answer your snide remark, YES, I feel so much better when little punks come here and start s**t... So much better. :razz:

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Orpheus, I think a little more humility and patience would go a long way. I don't think Harkonan was out of line when he took offense to your original post, as your wording was needlessly condescending. You may not have meant it to be, but that's how it came across.

Harkonan, do you have any other +showbudget issues or can I mark this "case closed"?

growls

Leave him to me AtM.

I will deal with him in my own fashion. I truly am fed up with new people who come here and show their ass. Humility works both ways. Restraint however is only for the new folks.

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This seems more like the new kid getting picked on at the playground than anything else. I don't like to see new guys get ripped apart just because they stand up for themselves.

case closed, got a nice 50fps running all round.

Im sorry to start an argument in what is supposed to be a trouble
shooting forum, but I realy hate people who feel a superiority to
others because they have been around in the feild longer. I also
dislike people who demand respect but give only insults. So appologys
to any one inconvenianced by this, accept of course to Orpheus.

Please if you want to be helpfull dont comment on words comment on the
problems, constuctivly. just because you dont think people can give any
thing to you doesnt mean you should give them the respect of being
civil.

Addicted to Morphine said:
This seems more like the new kid getting picked on at the playground than anything else. I don't like to see new guys get ripped apart just because they stand up for themselves.

By God-f**king-Dammit. I don't see a f**king thing wrong with my first reply.

If this idiot waited, he deserves it. If I commented erroneously because he wrote his reply wrong, how can that be my fault.

I don't care if he is new. I'd say the same thing to anyone, Pro or Newbie.

If I were in some way singling him out, I'd say you were right but, I am telling you that I'd have said the exact same thing no matter who typed it.

As far as I am concerned, Thats all this is.

The way I see it, he will either learn, or he will leave. I can live with both outcomes.

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Orpheus said:
I've often wondered how the concept of "Waiting" to do something in a map ever panned out. Hell, I've even wondered how a misconception like that ever occurred.

I have seen people wait until its to late to align textures to the point where they actually scrap the entire map because the job of doing so is so enormous.

Optimization is a process that should begin with the first solid used until the very last moment before releasing.

not aligning textures when they're applied is nothing but laziness, so they deserved it.
much of the optimization of a map needs to wait. optimizing a work in progress is, imho, a complete waste of time. wip's have a tendency to change, and in the case of my current dod map, i'd have had major headaches if i'd had to make alterations to areaportals, sky brushes, clip and hint brushes, for each of the many compiles.

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Well I cant personaly see what is wrong with my reply at all. As far as I can tell as posted a question, which was then answerd (not buy you). Then you decided to give us a nice view into your oppinions, while declaring that I was an idiot, from then on its jsut a series or rebutels.

I have no problem whith what you have to say, people do need to bear in mind opimisation from the begining of building a map. What I do take exception to is that you decided to imediatly treat me like a fool. My guess is that this was due to two reasons. first being my spelling a grammer (my appologys on this I am dyslexic). The second reason, probabuly backed up by the first, was that I was a newby to mapping. actualy I've been dabbling in mapping for around 6-7 years now. not all in hammer.

I would also like to point out that you keep demanding respect, and saying its a two way process. yet its you who first gave the disrespect. maybe if you had been civil in your first post I would not have decided to be sarcastic in return.

Im sorry if you feel im just some "Young Punk, pissing vinigar" but again you have jumped to conclusions.

treat me with respect and maybe I will do like wise.

I am just gonna ignore the kid in favor of letting this quiet down. He is still defending himself, in favor of making me sound like I was being a prick. When my opinion is as accurate as it needs to be to be considered legitimate. :rolleyes:

fishy said:
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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Orpheus</DIV>
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Optimization is a process that should begin with the first solid used until the very last moment before releasing.

much of the optimization of a map needs to wait. optimizing a work in progress is, imho, a complete waste of time. wip's have a tendency to change, and in the case of my current dod map, i'd have had major headaches if i'd had to make alterations to areaportals, sky brushes, clip and hint brushes, for each of the many compiles.</div></div>

This is true to a point. Making last minute adjustments is inevitable. But knowing that this solid will block this area, or this portal will effect this section and so forth is still a WIP procedure. I do agree that anything major that might effect the outcome needs to wait until the maps layout is established. However, how long someone "waits" is entirely subjective and up to the authors ideals.

I am the worlds worse at making maps with no forethought into its ending, as far as its layout is concerned but, my optimization process is throughout from beginning to ending. I firmly believe that waiting until you are nearly done is a major cause of poorly made and released maps.

How many people do you know who will take on an insurmountable obstacle like optimization that has waiting so long? Some maps would need an entire restructuring if the author waited till that point.

In the end however, my opinion is based on years of trial and error. It is just as legitimate as anyone who thinks otherwise and has facts to back them up too.
I also consider any mapper who waits to long as being just a lazy as waiting to align textures as in both cases it could and most likely would lead to a poorly made/released map.

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Thank you, but I would would very much like it if you stoped refering to me as a kid. i passed thouse squeaky prebubestant ages quite a while ago now. i know your argument/point is valid. Maybe you miss understand me. I do not in any way feel that your wrong in that maps need to be optimised from the beigning. However i do disagree with this view that because I made a mistake in my request, I should be treated like a fool.

YES I dont know how to use the show budget.thanks for pointing that out to me even thou thats what I came here to learn.

but that does not mean that I dont know how to make a map.

its very simple, I had a problem with you talking down to me before you even knew what or who I am. you should have asked some question, assertained myt skill level before treating me like a child.

Orpheus said:
This is true to a point. Making last minute adjustments is inevitable. But knowing that this solid will block this area, or this portal will effect this section and so forth is still a WIP procedure.

no, that's a basic understanding of how vis works. someone who doesn't already have this will have little chance of optimizing a map anyway.

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