The new Firebird has arrived

Grab it at www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

It's free, it's fast, and it's begging for snarkpit support !

:biggrin:

Dammit I was hoping for the car, they discontinued it you know...

Firebird/firefox just looks like a more user friendly version of Mozilla 1.5/1.6 lol

I support Mozilla 100%, it's a beautiful browser :biggrin:

Its sad that Netscape was bought out and turned into crap. Mozilla used to be the beta release of the next version of Netscape. Anyway, open-source for all!

I use firefox, and now when I have to use IE on the uni machines, it feels SO bad. Really it's a pain to use IE after you have got used to firefox.

Pish, if it ever gets a decent DesignMode doowhalley (the WYSIWYG text editor here), then I'll move, otherwise there's hardly any difference between them :razz:

But yay, new version, now I have to manually delete Firebird, reinstall and resetup the Google toolbar (which doesn't seem to install properly), reinstall Flash, and sort out all my firewall settings again.

You don't need a google bar in Mozilla... One comes built in, and the browser actually can disable popups.

You don't have to reinstall your plugins, just copy the plugins folder over from firebird. To be honest Lep, almost all of your criticisms of firebird/firefox have turn out to be untrue... If you simply don't want to use firefox, just say so. Don't make up a bunch of lame excuses that are not actually faults in the program, but holes in your knowledge of it.

I do need a Googlebar, it has extra functions that a simple search doesn't do (such as cached version, translated version, up a directory, site/image search, etc...) And fair enough about the plugins, perhaps it would be a good idea for them to mention that during the install :smile: But still, I haven't seen any reason to ditch IE for it.

edit Although yay I just found an IE bug, visit this website but put a question mark at the end of the URL instead of a slash- i.e. http://www.snarkpit.com?a and note how the images b0rk if you refresh, despite being listed as having the correct URL... (edit again- oo a slash is automatically added by IE if I try to make a link)

Edge Damodred said:
Dammit I was hoping for the car, they discontinued it you know...

ill sell you mine edge...68 400...not stock by any means...its my garage car... :heee:

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

Just downloaded and installed it.

• Its bland and boring and has few of the features IE does
• It slows down by PC, which at least IE doesn't
• It was 6MB and took me 20mins to load, and has all the features of IE 2.0

Name some of the "features" that it lacks...

Just downloaded and installed it.

• Its bland and boring and has few of the features IE does
• It slows down by PC, which at least IE doesn't
• It was 6MB and took me 20mins to load, and has all the features of IE 2.0

. . . it's firefox. Firefox isn't the standard version of Mozilla (Thus the reason why I didn't download it). And what are you talking about?? IE Doesn't have anything for a "features" list. I mean, seriously, what are you counting as a feature? Favorites? The fact alone that the downloading agent built into the browser is better then the one built into IE is good for me (Oh and it's SMART pop-up blocker is beautiful). Now, if you're going to say "but, you can download a new download manager for IE" If you're willing to download something for Internet Explorer, because you want it to work well, but you don't want to download something for Mozilla (Which happens with 3rd party stuff), that will ADD to the browser (not replace features), then you have a picky attitude and a blind eye. Don't play favorites, I mean use what you like, I don't really care, but don't give Bull s**t reasons to say why you don't want to. Oh and for the record they use the same amount of System resources (Don't know about Firefox, but 1.6 never uses more then about 24k, maybe 30k while it's being used during load times, Internet Explorer uses like 30k ALWAYS on my system here.)

Anyway, don't take that the wrong way, but again, this is like the Linux argument, don't sit and bitch about which is better, because it doesn't matter, its your preference so it's going to be argued until the world stops spinning (Or the Universe Collapses on it's self). So, there's no point. (Oh and, from my experience with both browsers, I've found that overall Mozilla blows away internet explorer, in speed and functionality, but that's just me, doesn't mean you have to think that your self.)

Hey I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy along, I'm just saying. And I stick to what I said.

Crono, laying into the guy because he doesn't like Firefox, and then saying that there's no point in arguing over something like this, is a little hypocritical, no?

Anyway, I find firefox to be a lot faster than IE, and uses around 10,000k less memory when running as well. Plus all those cool little plugins are a nice touch. I'm not sure how you coud say it's slower, unless you actually installed Mozilla instead of Firefox, which is slower and more cumbersome than IE.

Oh, and about it being bland and boring, why don't you get a new theme/skin then? :smile: Some plugins as well can help out with that. Go Here for all your firefox needs. :smile:

Yep, kage, that's definitely the best FF resource site.

Check out the themes & extensions, ladies and gentlemen !

I'm kinda irked that they haven't ported over the "negative modern" skin quite yet, however...

Matt your opinion that "it doesn't have the features of IE" is a complete joke if you fail to name one feature that IE has and it doesn't...

He probably means the "general failure in kernel32.dll" and "javascript error. Continue ?" features.

a) they aren't features, b) i've never had a kernel error since I left windows98, and c) it's not mozilla's fault if a webdesigner can't right valid code.

Just downloaded it and installed it. In fact I'm posting this message with it right now. Much faster than Mozilla, and yet it still has tabbed browsing. Score!

I'm liking it quite a bit so far... I just wish there was a way to get rid of that obnoxious "middle mouse button" browser helper thingy... I have the middle mouse button set to activate a mouse-gesture, and it gets in the way and bothers me.

For the record, I love you Jeff, In a friendly non-gay way lol.

What I was saying in my post was that Firefox (from my experience) hasn't been as reliable and from the looks of their new version it seems to be a dumbed down version of Mozilla.

The rest of my post isn't hypocritical, because I'm not using Internet Explorer, I explained what the draw back to IE were, but I stated it's up to you which ever you use. How is that being hypocritical?? And, yeah Mozilla is much faster then IE, hands down. My main point was (besided the fact that I had woken up not ten minute before hand around 7 am or so lol) don't bitch. Unless the thread was made for someone to bitch about something, don't turn it into a bitching fest. Also, I wasn't laying into Matt. I was asking a question, the two question marks were to emphasise my astonishment at his remarks (because they're unfounded for the most part, it's just opinion stated as facts).

I also wasn't mad or anything, It was healthy discussion, however, I am annoyed at the whose better arguements. You're never going to get the other person to change, I mean they're definding their position for a reason, even if it might be just to piss you off. That's all. Its up to individual, but I can also state my opinion on the matter . . . that isn't being hypocritical or anything like that.

I haven't downloaded the 'faster' version because I don't really care about Mozilla being faster . . . it's fast enough for me as it is.

Anyway, Jeff, you're 100% right. Also, same here lol. I never get errors when using things, and obviously if I do, I can take care of the problem, but the thing is most developers don't create browser friendly pages, meaning they're specific to a certain browser for some reason. This happens a lot and it's annoying as hell, and in a sense it is Microsofts fault, because they changed the standard DOM. Now everyone has to encorperate thier quiet crappy DOM into their browser because they want to make it viable to Windows users. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Use what you like, just what's the point of bashing the other guy? (I wasn't bashing Microsoft of it's browser, I was actually stating the differences, just maybe in a not so nice manner) anyway it seems its babble time for me again . . .

Don't play favorites, I mean use what you like, I don't really care, but don't give Bull s**t reasons to say why you don't want to.

If you weren't laying into him, you could have done without the profanity and the multiple question marks, which pretty much implied that you were starting an argument. But fair enough if you didn't mean it, it just looked like it. I guess you should lay off posting 10 minutes after getting up; you seem to be a tad grumpy at that hour. :smile:

No, it was more or less the moans and gripes around here about preference. What are you talking about bulls**t is such a casual phrase lol. I pretty much would have been irritated by reading that post at any moment, but I wasn't attacking him or anything, I was however, challenging him.

Wow, I'm really mis-spelling a lot of stuff today.
Anyway.

Use Mozilla if you want fast browsing and lower system strain, is all I've gotta say, but if you're looking for ease of use, as in click use, by all means use IE . . . however Mozilla is quite simple once you configure it once, and that's all the configuring you'd have to do :smile:

Crono, what a long post to say so little? :razz:

I come accross pages mozilla won't display properly now and again, all it says to me is 'hah, foolish webmaster', and I don't go to that website again :smile: I think most webmasters realise that it is in their interest to make their site work with different browsers, so I don't see microsoft's own standards being a problem in the long term.

well see, they already are a problem. There are several things that have worked themselved into everyones DOM because of Microsoft. I mean there really ins't suppose to be a lot of stuff in there lol. Use konquerer on Linux and you'll see what I mean. Things like Javascript are suppose to be supported by a seperate plug-in (Sun's plug-in in Mozilla) but stuff that doesn't support it by default looks pretty werid lol. Try looking at a mouse over in Mozilla before you put in the Java plug-in . . .