Umm

umm, I dont have any pci cards in the pci slots at all - that erroring PCI card doesnt exist as far as im concerned but the pc wants it installed all the time as if its detecting it.

Also, some1 please explain the buses to me & why 2 of them have "?" on them.

click on it>properties>remove from all profiles or disable

 

should do ya.. or you could always try removing it..

I'd just uninstall it through there, and if it comes back, THEN worry.

KoRnFlakes said:
...but the pc wants it installed all the time as if its detecting it.

That would imply it does keep coming back... And Kornflakes your a bad lyer, you must have something in the PCI slots, how do you connect to the internet?! VIA YOUR MOUSE PORT?!

As for the ? signs I believe that windows not sure if the driver its using is correct maybe? Get the latest drivers.

How about connecting to the internet via your USB port. Huh, ever thought about that!?

Only fewls and horses get exterior modems....

Myrk- said:
Only fewls and horses get exterior modems....

your obviously the better lyer :razz:
got a diamond supra external. bloody good modem.

+ il try removing it again in a sec. Can anyone explain the buses though

Edit: nvm, had it all explained.

External modems are, for the most part, faster than PCI ones. Don't remember exactly why, but they are. Plus they're very convenient fo porting from one PC to another in the house.

Perhaps they stay cooler?

they run by themselves, Rather than using your pc processor to do some of the work & the processor is poor at it afaik.

I think thats it... something to do with what rescources its pulling from..

externals "tend" to run faster, the reasons may be them working under their own steam, but in my limited experience with modems, your connection is 100% dependant on your phone lines quietness..

now this seems to be a localized phenomenon, but in arkansas, you can request phone line conditioning... no one i have talked to outside arkansas seems able to acquire this vital service.. it in essence quiets the external buzz that is present in all phone lines..

you wanna test it in a rudimentary way, pick up the receiver and dial a single number... listen to the buzz in the phones receiver, more noise, less connection speed..

i managed to connect at 5.3 for over a year, when most fail to achieve 4.6, many at the 3.2 range..

i would suggest getting a service person to check the noise level in your lines.. and insist the address the issue..

BTW all my modems have been internal, and 5.3 is the maximum legal attainable limit one can expect in arkansas with this service..

5.3 on a 5.6 modem is considered optimal..

Orpheus said:
and incest the address the issue..

Really, who'd have thought Arkansas?

Cash Car Star said:

Orpheus said:
and incest the address the issue..

Really, who'd have thought Arkansas?

gotta love those typo's :smile:

you know, it slipped past the spell checker too... to bad its a legit word :biggrin:

 

Yes, typos, thats what they call it :razz:

5.6 what orph?

tom said:
5.6 what orph?

a 56k modem, is supposed to theoretically connect at 5.6  ...

 

No... a 56k modem transfers data at about 56000 b/s (more like 57600). This means it transfers that many bits per second. However, normal DL speed is measured in kB/s, or bytes per second. There are 8 bits in a byte, so a little simple mathematics reveal that the MAXIMUM possible you can DL at is about 7 kB/s (its not exact.... this is because one "k" is comprised of 1024, not an even 1000). Thats the idealogical best that you should be able to achieve on a 56k modem. It never happens due to things like packet loss, distance issues, and overall phone-line quality.

 

Orpheus said:

tom said:
5.6 what orph?

a 56k modem, is supposed to theoretically connect at 5.6  ...

 

 

Monqui said:
No... a 56k modem transfers data at about 56000 b/s (more like 57600). This means it transfers that many bits per second. However, normal DL speed is measured in kB/s, or bytes per second. There are 8 bits in a byte, so a little simple mathematics reveal that the MAXIMUM possible you can DL at is about 7 kB/s (its not exact.... this is because one "k" is comprised of 1024, not an even 1000). Thats the idealogical best that you should be able to achieve on a 56k modem. It never happens due to things like packet loss, distance issues, and overall phone-line quality.

/me compares my responce to yours....

which do you think tom will understand more :heee:

your answer is no doubt the correct one, but sometimes, discretion is better :wink:

Quite honestly, I think it's rather hilarious that the two measures of bandwith are used. Someone wasn't following the KISS principle when they developed modems.

Cash Car Star said:
Quite honestly, I think it's rather hilarious that the two measures of bandwith are used. Someone wasn't following the KISS principle when they developed modems.

what burns my butt?

with the same limited line capacity, they can now use DLS speeds..

for years i was told that the copper wires in households could not achieve anything greater than 56k.. come to find out that, it wasn't the wires at all, but the method employed in utilizing them was the problem...

they could include a dsl modem, in every pc, as cheaply as they now do with a 56k analog type..

the phone companies are just greedy.. with little or no further modifications to existing lines , everyone could be on DSL.. the only further enhancements would be the areas outside the current hub areas.. more hubs need to be placed... but this bullshit about phoneline limits is crap.. and many are still forced to use it because the old belief still prevails.. :sad:

Orpheus said:
what burns my butt?

Sorry Orph, but I dont want to know.

BTW, I just read that one line and decided to comment on it. :biggrin:

Think about the other end of your connection though- at some point you're going to be running through some t1, t3, OC3, etc. wiring (probably a mix of all of them). Couple this with the fact that the farther you are from your ISP, the more signal boosting that they need to do.

In the days of the 56k, the computer network that you were dialing into most likely had a rather small connection, compared to companies today that are host to all kinds of high-speed wiring. This meant they could only reliable server to a certain number of 28.8-56k modem users. Today, thats a piddly amount. Back then, it was EXPENSIVE.

Take it to DSL then- they tell you that they don't offer service in your area, right? What they mean is that the host company hasn't gotten around to spending the money necessary to have a decent signal be able to reach your house (that sentence is NOT gramatically correct, I think. But SCREW YOU.), since they need to boost the signal much more than with a 56k line.

So it actually can be wuite expensive and time consuming to filter a line for DSL, since it runs on many more frequencies. Any interference would hamper the signal much more than with a 56k connection.

monkee, did you read anything i wrote, or did you just go off on your own little tangent :biggrin:

my point was, if the put in the hubs, everyone can have DSL.. its not the cost i am bitching about, cause its comparable to 56k and their ISP's..

shakes head, and this ones from the US

there goes my theory that the UK doesn't comprehend basic english :biggrin:

I'm just wondering what your post had to do with mine, since you went and quoted me...

Nah, I was just trying to make the point that most companies can't just say "TEH WHOAOH! DLS is outx0r! Letz d0 it!" and then the next day everyone magically has it. A few of my friends are currently saving up to become a provider for their area, and I'm a shareholder in the company, so I kinda get to hear about this all the time.

Point was that it takes money, and money takes a bit of time to get. Just trying to get ya to see the other side of the issue.

Cash Car Star said:
I'm just wondering what your post had to do with mine, since you went and quoted me...

hmm, exactly? i dunno, but the KISS method, would definatley imply DSL... and the modems.. i think thats what got me worked up..

i suffered thru 56k and my reasons were, they kept saying the copper wires couldn't support more...

other than that... i dunno why i quoted you... :razz:

Monqui said:
Point was that it takes money, and money takes a bit of time to get. Just trying to get ya to see the other side of the issue.

monkee, you are viewing it thru an independants eyes..

i am talking about big companies, and such..

we already have the technology, and the resources.. but bottomline, its more cost effective to place a hub, where population desity will get the most out of it..

why place one in an area with a possible 15 users, where they can do the same work and get 1000..

see my point?

i know a bit about money vs. engineering to bud :biggrin:

Where in AR do you live, Orph?
I'm at the U of A Fayetteville campus right now.

hornpipe2 said:
Where in AR do you live, Orph?
I'm at the U of A Fayetteville campus right now.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=1701+Dan+ave.&city=Jonesboro&state=ar&zipcode=&homesubmit=Get+Map</A>

Monqui said:
Nah, I was just trying to make the point that most companies can't just say "TEH WHOAOH! DLS is outx0r! Letz d0 it!" and then the next day everyone magically has it. A few of my friends are currently saving up to become a provider for their area, and I'm a shareholder in the company, so I kinda get to hear about this all the time.

Heh, I wish it was like that over here. They're bitching at us 56k users and increasing our tariffs almost every month because apparently we use up too much network traffic and so on and so forth.

Leperous said:

Monqui said:
Nah, I was just trying to make the point that most companies can't just say "TEH WHOAOH! DLS is outx0r! Letz d0 it!" and then the next day everyone magically has it. A few of my friends are currently saving up to become a provider for their area, and I'm a shareholder in the company, so I kinda get to hear about this all the time.

Heh, I wish it was like that over here. They're bitching at us 56k users and increasing our tariffs almost every month because apparently we use up too much network traffic and so on and so forth.

its just generally sucky, they create the condition, then bitch because its defective..

i am not real clear on the DSL usage of existing lines, but i see the result in practice..

my phone line is no longer busy days on end, and i am betting the switchboards at the local phone company are relieved as well...

if they can spend mucho bucks on all these stupid cell towers, they can spare a bit of change to place more DSL hubs..

anyways, the old "copper wire" excuse....... its bullshit.