A Question

most times it was not..close but not what the subs said..

Often this is because a direct or literal translation would either not make proper sense in the translated language, or not sound natural. This is especially bad with translations to chinese/japanese for some reason... I suppose a good example would be japanese computer games where instructions or what characters say sometimes don't make sense.

I have this cartoon series, 'the mysterious cities of gold', it was originaly french, and apparently a lot of the times where in the english version, a character just grunts or chuckles, this was because there was no english translation of what they said in french that would be meaningful.

Gwil said:

gimpinthesink said:
I'd like it if they started sellin g fritsauce over here cos at the min I have to go to Holland for it.

you go to holland to buy one product? that's commitment that is.. unless - Holland? Does one have an "alterior motive" as it were, possibly beginning with A and ending in msterdam.

No my dad used to live there but thats not to say I didnt visit Amsterdam on my travels over there though.

i think it strikes me as odd that for the 5 days i was in canberra, i didnt notice the lacking rail network.

Dam charter buses.

has anyone seen an australian, indian or indonesian villian before? i dont think i have

Well, as most major films are made here, I hardly think it is suprising that there is no sterotypical american villian. there are plenty of american villians, but only when the good guys are americans too :razz:

The brtish villian is a long tradition which I don't quite understand...

For some reason americans love the aussies, so an australian villian wouldn't go over so well...

I don't think I agree with you Orph, when you dispute the wealth of america. yes there is poverty, and no I havn't seen everything in this country, but I have never seen anything in this country that even remotly compares to mexico. a bum on the street in an american city looks rich compared to what I have seen in mexico. As I say though, I haven't seen everything...

British vilains are usually adequate in a movie with a black good guy. So it's the spontaneous and brotherly hero vs the cold classy vilain, with an "Anthony Hopkins" like accent, who for example mercilessly kills one of his men in the first scenes...

Arabs are usually bad guys, but I guess the subject is still too serious to make jokes about... In arab action movies (whenever they have a sufficient budget for that) villains are always israelians. I once saw an egyptian movie called "Al Massir" (the destiny), where vilains are some kind of fanatic organisation, clearly an allusion to terrorism; I read that this movie has endangered his author, who received threats from integrist formations... Some people just can't stand critics.

Hollywood just changes its villian casting to suit the enemy at the time :razz: russians in the cold war, brits just generally, arabs nowadays/at the time of earlier wars...

Tracer Bullet said:
I don't think I agree with you Orph, when you dispute the wealth of america. yes there is poverty, and no I havn't seen everything in this country, but I have never seen anything in this country that even remotly compares to mexico. a bum on the street in an american city looks rich compared to what I have seen in mexico. As I say though, I haven't seen everything...

first off, poverty is everywhere, but separating it into more/less impoverished??

how would you explain to a hungry child in the US, that there are more hungry ones in mexico exactly TB ?? that would be like separating murders, well victim #1 got killed with a polo mallet, so its less violent than #2 who was killed by a shotgun? or a woman is raped by a man with an 8 inch penis, so victim #2 is worse off cause here raper had a 12???

poverty is poverty, and IMO its more a tragedy if a country can support its population and still fails to do so.. yes, the US qualifies in that regard, we have more than enuff resources to support our own, yet we fail miserably.

i don't see mexican poverty around here, i see american poverty, and thats closer to home, hence MORE IMPORTANT.

mexico has the resources, it choses to spend them in other areas.. in fact many countries have enuff resources...

anyways.. i appreciate your sentiments, but i live them.. poverty is less than a few miles away :sad:

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I think the point is that no-one is doubting US poverty levels, but we want to see changes made by Governments and corporations who play BIG roles in affecting poverty in countries around the world.

Cheap labour, overinflated food prices, non-trading, unfair localised trade agreements... these aren't policies that affect bums/hobos on US streets etc most of the time, but they can give millions of people a better quality of life with the sacrifice of a few dollars or over-production. It just becomes a bigger issue for all of us to deal with, when entire countries are affected by our actions/policies in developed nations.

On a side note; I don't believe LEDC's do have the resources to tackle their problems - poverty is already widespread over underfunded infrastructures, and the largest employers are usually corporations from abroad, who simply set up shop to exploit cheap labour and desperation amongst unemployed people. A lot of these countries are far behind us, because we have meddled with them for the last century - backing regimes with dubious motives, exploiting them for military/economic purposes, etc etc. We destroyed what could have been prosperous nations, now is the time to redress the balance and support them - not use them.

the things you think are important, may not effect the average hobo/homeless, once they become that way, but it is usually the catalyst for creating hobo's and homeless gwil.

people don't just decide one day that it is desirable to be a hobo (although i have read articles of the beggars making a fair wage on the freeways of america :/ )

anyways, it seems a fair assessment, that we see things differently, have different priorities, we share a common belief, but think the causes are not the same importance.

i suppose, this is a clear case of agreeing to disagree..

from my persecutive, i want to fix whats close at hand, work from the ground up.. you want to fix what you cannot, thats far away and from the top down.. i think my ideals are more realistic, but i don't fault you yours.. dreamers sometimes prevail..

Heh, i'm the first to admit I mostly back futile causes and ideas, and acknowledge compassion doesn't "swing" in international affairs, money and power politics do.

There can be some movement though on the smaller issues, and I hope by raising money/vocally supporting organisations etc I can make my small change, become one big change for the better.

Indeed, no major shifts will happen until people are united to fight poverty, injustice and exploitation at home, and abroad - but thats another kettle of fish entirely, and probably impossible judging by our very nature as humans. It's all a great shame really, when compassion for the fellow man is a rare trait in todays individualist world :sad:

and yeah, agree to disagree - we could debate this til we were blue in the face :razz:

I agree. You Orph, are viewing the problems from a personal perspective, while Gwill and I are viewing them from an analytical perspective. I don't agree entirely with either of you, since I favor economic rather than regulatory solutions to most problems. in any case, fruitless argument gets us nowhere.

To be honest, I've never seen an Arab cast as a supervillain, but it seems there are an infinite number of Arab henchmen . Chinese people who speak in Chinese and people with heavy eastern-European accents are the most common villains.

As for individualism... it's very hard to judge. Culture promotes raw condescension and selfishness, and at all times bidding for social power; but society, in part because of that arrogance, does not support people just because they are themselves.

In the only philosophy class I ever took, my teacher and I agreed that if you gave everybody in the world the same amount of everything - one home, one thousand dollars, etc. - it wouldn't be more than a few hours before someone had six homes, six thousand dollars, etc. It's a mix of the powers of human nature and their unfortunate reprecussions.