vhe crash

vhe crash

Re: vhe crash Posted by thesilence on Fri Nov 5th 2004 at 10:37pm
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hi my Vhe crashes a while after i have loaded it, i can start to map for a small amount of time but after that my computer freezes (my comp does not usually crash(and hasnt crashed unless i have been on VHE)) I am running VHE version 3.4(i have tried reinstalling it).

I mean it totally freezes as in the mouse wont move and everything on the screen stops moving.

I would really appreciate it if somebody could help me
Re: vhe crash Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Nov 6th 2004 at 12:13am
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Sounds like there is a problem with your computer, not VHE. Here are my suggestions:
1) Run a scandisk to check for errors. Disk clean up.
2) Reinstall any video drivers that you have.
3) Is there any specific thing you look at in the 3D view and then it crashes, like an entity? If so remove it.
4) Go to www.valve-erc.com and configure VHE correcly (click on the set up guide).
5) Download a VHE from a different place, and install it.
6) Take the 3.5 version of VHE (.exe) and copy it over the 3.4 .exe and see if it works.

7) If all else fails reformat your hard drive and reinstall VHE if nothing has worked.

PS shouldnt you have a "?" in your Avtar text.....
Re: vhe crash Posted by Crono on Sat Nov 6th 2004 at 2:44am
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Don't reformat your hard drive.

Omega, shut up about reformatting the hard drive. That isn't a good idea, ever, since most problems persist in the registry of Windows systems.

All it does is wipe all your work and continue to let whatever is effecting your computer to continue to run rampant.

If your computer is completely locking up, there could be several reasons. None of which a format would solve.

I'm assuming you're running 2000 or XP. In that case, there is too much crap running or something hit an infinite loop. Hammer could be interfering with another program, but that seems unlikely if you reinstalled it.

1. turn off every program that is not essential (Through msconfig or task manager, or both.) and then run Hammer to see if the problem persists.

[Note:] By the way, the only programs that will probably be running that you need are: svchost instances, explorer, lsass, spoolsv, csrss, smss, system, and system idle process. Basically, don't kill explorer, since that's Windows, it'll shut down. The others will not allow you to kill them if they are needed, there are a couple more I believe, but that's the general list.

2. Run Hammer and see if it crashes. If it does. Then there's probably some infection in your computer somewhere or Hammer is interfering with Windows somehow.

3. Do a heavy virus scan, cleaning everything the scanner finds and try again.

4. If it turns out to be a conflict issue: try (once more) uninstalling hammer, clearing the registry of all of hammer's entries, restarting (killing all the non-essential programs once again) and reinstalling hammer, make it 3.5 if you like.

5. If it works without a hitch after those programs are gone, then goto msconfig, turn all programs off under startup and select only the ones you personally want (for example: AIM, Mozilla, Steam, Hotbuttsex 9, etc)

If you've got all those on and Hammer is fine, then it's obviously, one of the ones you turned off, meaning it's most likely infected, check it out.
Re: vhe crash Posted by omegaslayer on Sun Nov 7th 2004 at 1:35am
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Let me change the wording in my last post then:

7) If all else fails reformat your hard drive and reinstall VHE if nothing has worked.

Dont follow the last one, its more of a last resort type of thing......
Re: vhe crash Posted by Wild Card on Sun Nov 7th 2004 at 2:25am
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I used to reformat very very often. Too often. Then I got my SATA drive and got lazzy. Oops. If your going to reinstall video drivers, make sure the old ones are completly gone.
Re: vhe crash Posted by Crono on Sun Nov 7th 2004 at 6:26am
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I don't think you understand, there is no point in formating the drive unless you're changing the type of format or really want to wipe all the information off of it.

If you're doing it to fix a problem: you need to be beaten with a metal bat.
Re: vhe crash Posted by Orpheus on Sun Nov 7th 2004 at 7:38am
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Crono said:
I don't think you understand, there is no point in formating the drive unless you're changing the type of format or really want to wipe all the information off of it.

If you're doing it to fix a problem: you need to be beaten with a metal bat.
as opposed to a wooden one, cause truly.. killing a tree just to raise bumps upon your skin :rolleyes:

and i take it thats it passes crono's "dingbat-o-meter" if one truly really wants to wipe all the information then huh?!?! :lol:
Re: vhe crash Posted by Crono on Sun Nov 7th 2004 at 8:23am
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On Windows: if you wipe your drive by formating, you will only be erasing your information, as in files you've saved; for the most part it doesn't affect system files. In the instance of a virus, the settings and replication instructions are held in the registry, which is un-effected by reformatting (and in a lot of cases un-installation of a program).

I know reformatting might make you feel good, but it's pointless in a situation like this. But I guess lots of people like losing all their work every once in awhile. :rolleyes:

Oh, and re-shaping a metal bat is easier. Not to mention, a wooden one would snap half-way through.
Re: vhe crash Posted by Orpheus on Sun Nov 7th 2004 at 8:36am
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1st off, don't get a virus..

2ndly, i find it difficult to believe anything survives FDISK.. but, i really would like to know..

3rdly, in my case, my pc's are 100% gaming computers, reformatting causes me no loss, and i love that clean just bathed feeling of the first boot after a reformat..

but seriously, i wanna hear more about how a virus can survive fdisk :confused:
Re: vhe crash Posted by Crono on Sun Nov 7th 2004 at 8:54am
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I was speaking of a Windows format, which is what everyone means when they say they format their computer in Windows. Otherwise you're completely wiping the drive (more on this below).

Don't get a virus??? That's the s**ttiest advice I've ever heard!

You're saying it as if you are able to use your computer online and not be infected by anything ever. Not true. EVER. Even if you have twenty thousand hardware and software firewalls, 3 up to date virus scanners, it is very likely, if your computer is Windows, that you have some sort of infection. (I don't want to get into the Windows vs. Linux conversation here, but there are practical safe guards that windows doesn't use, it's an easy way to block out pathetic virus' that don't really do anything).

Number 1, don't f**king format with FDISK, EVER. Delete partitions with it if needed, but don't format with it, there is no point. It makes the file systems Fat32 and can only be a maximum of 2 gigs per partition unless you use another partitioning program (which you aren't if you're using FDISK).

Number 2, You basically just told me you wipe your computer completely and reinstall Windows often for no reason.

You really have no need to re-install your OS more then once, unless certain hardware changes call for it or there is a completely new version of the OS. It's pretty pointless otherwise, even if your computer is a gaming computer. That really has no baring on the subject.

Also, there's always residual data on your hard drive from the very first thing that ever got written on it. Of course those things don't reface unless you spend money and time looking for them, but they are there.

And, to be perfectly honest, FDISK sucks balls. It has so many holes and problems that are incredibly annoying (If you've ever had the crappy issue of it "saying" there is a logical partition when there isn't, you'll know what I'm talking about)

Not to mention, often times (not always), if the partition gets messed up somehow, FDISK will make it very permanent. You have to do a low level (BIOS, if supported) formatting to undo it.

Seriously, it's easier to just find the god damned virus and get rid of it.

And that's enough conversation of that topic, there is no argument, don't do it.

I wonder if TS has fixed the crashing issue.