PC rebooting

Yesterday I autoupdated Windows. Soon after that my firewall, Zone
Alarm, gave me 100% CPU usage, then my computer hang. I restarted and
the same happend again, right after logging in, Zone Alarm used up all
my CPU power. After a few attempts I managed to uninstall Zone Alarm.
This seemed to fix the problem. I then reinstalled the firewall, just
to see how my CPU usage bumped up to 100%, crashing my PC again. Filled
with wrath I uninstalled Zone Alarm and installed Sygate's free
firewall instead. Everything seemed to work fine. I shut down the
computer and happily went to bed.

Then, after I started my computer today and logged in, a bluescreen
appeared and my computer restarted. The same thing happens every time I
restart and log in.

I've started Windows in Failsafe mode and searched my computer with
Ad-Aware, Nod32, checked the registry using Registry Mechanic and
removed the Sygate firewall. I've also disabled all autostarting
programs. Still, when starting Windows normally, this bluescreen
appears and my computer restarts. I haven't installed any new hardware
or any new software besides the Windows updates and the Sygate firewall.

Does anyone have a clue what might be causing this problem and how I
could fix it? As a last solution I guess I'll have to reinstall Windows.

Thanks in advance. :smile:

check computer temperature STAT just in case. Check overclocking, & uninstall drivers.

make sure no wires are obstructing the fan Especially if you have a
tiny box like mine. I had this trouble when i changed over boxes but
the beautiful blue ambience & the fact that it fits meh new video
card makes it well worth it , Definintly looks awesome box name = ARIA
, Very easy part shifting , Very nice product . Pricewise dunno i got
it for christmas so.. DONT TELL MEH !

arg crap. I know this one.

Might take quite a lot of intuitive clicking, but try the following;

my computer - right click

propertys

advanced tab

error reporing

'when a critical error accours' frame

disable rebooting

Now check your syslogs, for anything out of the ordinary.

What exactly is the error message on the blue screen, since there are many.

Also, the only time I got this type of behavior was when the user
profile got all screwy. However, that didn't allow me to boot in ANY
form.

Windows (and all Microsoft products in general) gets more useless with every release.

You said you recently upgraded Windows? If you just updated to SP2, try removing it. I know we had a few computers where I work that ceased to load Windows when SP2 was installed.

To get rid of it, just go into the Add-Remove programs dialogue in safe mode, and it should be listed towards the bottom.

Windows (and all Microsoft products in general) gets more useless with every release.

Riiight.

Here's the bluescreen message:

A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.

If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen, restart
your computer. If this screen appears again, follow these steps:

Check to be sure you have adequate disk space. If a driver is
identified in the Stop message, disable the driver or check with the
manufacturer for driver updates. Try changing video adapters.

Check with your hardware vendor for any BIOS updates. Disable BIOS
memory options such as caching or shadowing. If you need touse Safe
Mode to remove or disable components, restart your computer, press F8
to select Advanced Startup Options, and then select Safe Mode.

Technical information:

****STOP: 0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x8062BFB7, 0xF5EE699C, 0x00000000)

Beginning dump of physical memory

Physical memory dump complete.

Contact your system administratorof technical support group for further assistance.

Edit:

Nothing's covering the fans. I've checked the SATA cables. I had SP2
included in the OS when I installed so the update must've been
something else. And, tbh, I don't know where/how to check the syslogs
:razz: .

Later today I'll get my new graphics card, so perhaps I'll just backup all important data and reinstall Windows.

It might have something to do with the drivers or perhaps a hardware damaged?

My friends computer broke because of too much dust on the tower!

I wonder if it could be something like that. The bluescreen won't
appear when in Safe Mode or before I've logged in during normal mode.
And it all happend over night while the computer was turned off :sad: .

Now I've reinstalled Windows. Thanks for your help guys.

I've learnt my lesson and will never again update windows.

I got the same error message when playing HL2. Only sorted it out by
adding certain parameters though, so I'm not sure how you'd fix it.
Windows updates are often pretty necessary if you don't want to be
hacked, and it's unusual that Microsoft would release a patch which
crashed the PC...

...*cough*bulls**t*cough*...

I've only had this problem when my hard-drive died about a week later.

I got the same error message when playing HL2. Only sorted it out by
adding certain parameters though, so I'm not sure how you'd fix it.
Windows updates are often pretty necessary if you don't want to be
hacked, and it's unusual that Microsoft would release a patch which
crashed the PC...

I'd rather reinstall windows because of hackers/viruses/other evil than because of a windows update :razz:

Just do what admins do, either test on a safe bench before
implementing, or back everything up and do a clean install of
everything with the updates before you start putting stuff back on.

I have windows on a separate partition so I lost nothing. Just that it took some time to reinstall programs ect.

Pff, Micro$oft. They are in my opinion, the lamest excuse for a
programming team ever. The only bug-free product they have released
is... wait, there isn't one! All WinNT systems have a really buggy
bootstrap code which is the source of their dual-booting annoyances.
They cut corners and have made a mess of system files. Even with a
clean install, the WinNT/Windows folder is really messy, even more than
the Win9x based OS's.

/me hates Micro$oft

End of Microsoft bashing.

There's no such thing as a bug free program ... anywhere. Not just Microsoft.

The determinite factor of, "Good program" comes from it's reliability and the frequency of the bugs in question ...

Arg, I'm going out on a limb here, but it has to be said, not aiming this at anyone in particular either;

Please, dont bitch about windows, or microsoft; 98% of people on here
are using it and you proberbly are too. Just saying 'windows is crap
lol' is so utterly agrivating, knowing that you proberbly couldent even
install another oppoerating system, ie; linux, without asking bitching
and moaning about that either. Windows very rarly just stops working,
and almost ALL the time, it is because of some freeking user pissing
about with settings, or modifying things that they dont know how to
control. And for gods sake, would you guys PLEASE stop formatting your
hard drives every other damned month when a problem arises. FIX THE
PROBLEM. It's like getting a puncture, then crushing your bike to get
rid of the puncture. My windows xp install has been going for nigh on 3
years, I've not formated it once because of a problem and god knows I
fiddle with more things than the average user.

/2 pence. That felt good. :smile:

Come to think of it, I've never got any sort of critical error when running MS-DOS 6.2 on my 486DX2/66. Only things like File Not Found, which is impossible to prevent. DOS was the only good thing to come out of Microsoft, which is a shame, because it's long obsolete.

Come to think of it, I've never got any sort of critical
error when running MS-DOS 6.2 on my 486DX2/66. Only things like File
Not Found, which is impossible to prevent. DOS was the only good thing
to come out of Microsoft, which is a shame, because it's long obsolete.

And yet they didn't write it.

XC, don't bother. They wont listen. Believe me, I've tried.

xconspirasist, it's much less than 98% of the population that use it
actually. And no, I don't use Windows. Linux here! Of course theres no
such thing as a bugfree program, but Windows tends to have more
security bugs than any other system, pathetic really.

Every day, Microsoft continues to amaze logical scientists who wonder how a product so bad manages to sell so good.

/\ Picks up phone. Calls local mathematician.

My friend here says Microsoft should have failed around around 10 years ago, shortly the release of something called "Windows 2.0". He says according to supply-demand theory, Microsoft should not have been able to sell enough copies to justify their expense. But, sell enough they did. Damn Microsoft, defying the laws of mathematics...

Well it's not a direct hardware issue... Most likely something to do with your firewalls etc and uninstalling them. But as usual people are fewls... Windows has its own firewall which you can turn on- with or without Service Pack 2. SP2 just makes a spinkee interface which annoys you more.

And Foxpup, compare Windows XP to 98... It is a LOT better. My PC never crashes- with 98 it used to crash all the time, and with ME- it was just 1 big crash with some nice graphics. As for selling well... the competition ain't so good or user friendly (Linux is ugly and incompatible, always needs patches which is why the normal user can't use it).

By saying Linux is ugly and incompatible, you have just lowered your IQ
by 50 points. It isn't ugly, look at some of the new X systems and
desktops like Gnome. X.org 6.8 has technology far superior to Windows
Win32 GUI. And calling it incompatible is stupid too, it detects all of
my hardware without error and I can play HL on it, map with it, browse
teh internet, use IRC, use MSN (with amsn), use AIM (with gaim), edit
graphics (GIMP and photoshop in an emulator), play loads of other games
and I have even got HL2 working. Now, calling that incompatible would
make you retarded. It's also much more efficiant than windows, much
more cleanly coded, much faster, much more secure. It doesnt require
constant patches. Sure, it's hard to use, but if you are willing to fit
any more information into your thick, Windows adapted skull, they you
will get the hang of it quickly.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Foxpup</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>My friend here says Microsoft should have failed around around 10 years ago, shortly the release of something called "Windows 2.0". He says according to supply-demand theory, Microsoft should not have been able to sell enough copies to justify their expense. But, sell enough they did. Damn Microsoft, defying the laws of mathematics... </DIV></DIV>
Neither you, nor your friend, seem to know what youre talking about. Microsoft products have worked fine for me, they should work fine for anyone who knows what theyre doing. I know I've got no chance of changing your views, but please, just stop making MS-bashing posts for the sake of MS-bashing.

Also the reason why Microsoft has flourished is because they made deals
with hardware developers for software packages. If you want I suppose
you could blame NEC.

I don't bash MS for the sake of it, I do it because of my experience
with their horrible products. And yes, I do know what I'm doing, I know
more than anyone here probably would, no offense. I have bad
experiences with XP from the start, I caught 3 viruses after being
connected to a 512kbit line for only 1 hour, in fact, as soon as I
connected, I immedeatly got hit by blaster. And, yes, I did have a
firewall and antivirus which were all up-to-date. 98 and ME were hell!
Bugs all over them, blue screens very often, some programs not behaving
correctly, viruses, the works. Win 3.1 was ok actually, but was still
rather buggy. DOS was really the only OS they have developed that I
would consider "decent", but then again, it's very old which makes it
useless for my common tasks.

If you know more you apparently have an odd way of showing it.

Jesus, m0p. You're a pompous prick.

You're not the only person on this site who knows about "alternatives" and how to use them. :rolleyes:

I really don't care how much you know, you shouldn't act that way to
other individuals on this matter. Because, honestly, there's nothing
you can do.

Also, for the last f**king time, Microsoft did not "develop" Dos, they bought it.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting m0p</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext> I caught 3 viruses after being connected to a 512kbit line for only 1 hour, in fact, as soon as I connected, </DIV></DIV>

makes me wonder, what am i doing so right?

i never get anything, i didn't deserve to get by visiting questionable sites or otherwise drawing attention to my pc.

my computers stay on 24/7 all connected to DSL, and they hum along day after day after month etc.etc.

am i so lucky as to have the only pirated copy of XP pro corp that no one wants to mess with me?
anywho's... i know that windows is buggy, but its no where near as bad as the doom sayers want it to be..

No Crono, I'm not a pompus prick. I know alot about other operating
systems, and alternatives to Window$, but I agree, other people do too.
And what do you mean "act that way to other individuals", you've just
called me a prick. I haven't directly or indirectly insulted anyone,
and if I did, it's not purposely. And when I refer to DOS, I am
referring to MS-DOS, not DOS, ok? Got it? Stupid "pompus prick" indeed.

And in rssponse to Orpheus's post:

"questionable sites", lol. I didn't even have any browsers open.
Literally, it downloaded the virus on connect. And this was with the
Window$ firewall and Zone Alarm Pro running, plus Norton Corporate
Anti-Virus, all upto date. It detected the virus, but didn't do
anything about it, maybe Symantec can take blame for security issues,
but that's not the point. I have run Micro$oft software for years and
have had nothing but trouble in most cases, shows you their
programming skills doesnt it? Window$ is at least usable if you can put
up with some bugs, but when you compare it to Linux releases, for
example, Debian 3.0 has only a couple of bugs, the testing version
contains 100's, but is still usable. Now, Microsoft release their
products before all of their bugs have been eliminated, and then
release service packs months overdue. Great service huh? Whereas, Linux
releases don't have to be updated if you don't want to, the only update
needed is for drivers and the kernel. The kernel only needs to be
upgraded when new hardware is released, or there is a security hole
(which will rarely appear). Much better system, since you don't have to
go through a very slow server, you can choose between servers and find
the fastest one.

Oh, and overall, thankyou for being a friendly community! Very friendly, in fact, you need an award! Huzzah!

If you know so much you'd know that a worm isn't a virus. Knowing a lot
about other operating systems is not what you implied with your posts.
Perhaps you may not realise but a lot of people here also use
alternatives, take schooling in them or just have them as hobbies.
People might be more accepting of alternatives, but you're giving
alternatives a bad name with arrogance.

Microsoft has to release by some date, if they don't nothing would ever
get done, it's a continual loop. If you know enough about OSes you'd
realize that. They run on a different operating model than open sources
do, they have to. They also have to account for all the generic and
general uses that people want computers to do...and while you may find
it fun to look on development sites and find drivers individually for
your stuff there are many people without the experience, nor may ever
have the technical skill to do anything more than plug the box in. As
well, anyone into gaming can have lots of support and the majority of
games are specific for Windows based machines so that removes a lot of
potential users.

Linux has nowhere near as many lines of code in its OS as Windows does,
and that's for the sole reason of reverse and automatic compatability.
Obviously I know that it's not perfect, but to say that Windows hasn't
steadily improved through its revisions is childish. If Linux coders
make 40 Million lines of code with less bugs than Microsoft has then
I'll believe their "skills" are better. But the best coders are snapped
up by Microsoft, they're only limited by the consumer, business model
and real-world stress-testing.

I can understand your points, but Microsoft does not have the best
programmers. Alot of the best programmers are working on projects like
FreeBSD or linux, or they might be working freelance and are
looking for programming jobs. There's probably 1000's of better coders
than microsoft's out there which haven't even done a commercial
project. But I agree, some people might not want to bother with
kernels, X systems and whatnot. But, in the course of hours, I managed
to instruct a complete Linux noob to install Debian, get 3d modes
working, upgrade the kernel, and manage to have a match of quake 3 with
me using his new linux installation. And that was someone who has never
used Linux before. It shows that even complete unix newbies can get
Linux working properly, if they actually put some effort in. When
people use Windows, they aren't putting in any effort at all, which
makes them lazy and probably lowers their mental capacity, at least
when people use Linux or Unix they can actually put effort into their
computing experience.

m0p, in your two posts before your last one, yes, yes
you were a pompous prick.

I'm not arguing that Windows isn't
utter crap when it comes to development (or period). I'm talking
about the manner you're treating individuals in regard to the subject
(which was/is hostile and arrogant, just to let you know). It isn't
okay.

Gorb, MS doesn't snatch up the best programmers in the
field. They most often pick up CS-Semi-drop-outs. It's the only
explanation. That and they ask ridiculous questions at interviews.
They're suppose to test your problem solving skills, but one of them
is, ?How do they get the 'm' on m&m candy??

If my ?systems? instructor saw a
student's code which was sloppy (most of the students, sadly :sad: )
she'd correct you and such, but there were always certain people that
just argued to the death and she'd always say something along the
lines of, ?Fine, quit now and go work at Microsoft? ... I always
thought it was funny.

I am sometimes hostile, but that's how I am. Anyway, apologies where necessary.

Another small thing I'm also kind of saying is that if you take the
same amount of effort a Windows box can be just as secure. I've had no
problems, I took the time. It really doesn't matter what my system is
running currently (I have tons of old machines lying around with
various OSes) but it's basically how you use it. Although I really only
trust the NT core or updated *nix based cores.

There are many many people in the world that believe MS DOS was one of
the worst creations pushed past those golden gates in redmond, but,
believe what you want to.

Microsoft has some of the best programmers in the world. The windows xp
codebase is utterly vast, drawing in thousands of software shops from
all round the world, or, mostly from our friends in India. The point is

• at least from my prespective; is that windows surves its purpose.

Home users, gamers, Parents and Small Children that dont actually care
how the computer works, fit into this catagory. However, the well
informed geek, will use linux, or other opperating systems. Simply
because windows does not surve its purpose for them. For me, at least,
I just wanted to try something new one day. After many hours of sheer
delight from a whole load of problems to fix, I figured that free, and
opensource software made by decent people, on a platform that is
infinatly expandable, was the right choice for me.

Well m0p, you just lowered your IQ for not reading what I said and proving my point! Linux needs all different programs and patches to work, and you just proved that.

Err, if you want to run Window$ apps, download a virtual machine or a
windows emulator or something stupid. Of course you will need
diffferent drivers, but most drivers such as sound are integrated into
the kernel. Oh by the way, you can say anything you want because I wont
listen and I'll just think of you as an idiot. Go ahead, say anything
you want.

Oh, and by the way, attempting to "insult" me over my views of Microsoft makes you an idiot with low IQ. Jusy sayin s'all.

btw, here's what first appeared on my screen after reinstalling windows :rolleyes:



with the original windows theme of cource.

That's a DLL for WinFast not Windows...I have a Leadtek card as well,
and the thing is pretty chinglish. I think mine does that on first
install as well, but works just fine.

XCon, for the most part, I agree with
you ... for the most part. I think I wouldn't have as big of an issue
with their products if they actually developed properly (and don't
even try to say they do, because they don't) and if they used better
practices. I mean, when little annoying things happen, I can tell
what shortcut they (probably) took to have it act that way. (most
often times it's related to using a global where it isn't
needed)

m0p, it's okay, just don't lash out at people. That
was my entire point.

I'll admit setting up a Linux machine to
do what you need is annoying and tedious. But, once you're done, it's
a God send. That is, until someone comes over and thinks the computer
"freezes" and turns it off and f**ks all your tables

That's a DLL for WinFast not Windows...I have a Leadtek card as well,
and the thing is pretty chinglish. I think mine does that on first
install as well, but works just fine.

ah, good to know :smile: