de_ignorance

Please have a look, and play it with a few bots.

My comments are on the map posting.

New map for CS:Source. Pretty good I think.

Although i'm not a fan of dust remakes, this map looks splendid!

I am oh so big a fan of optimized screens, but i have to say that these ones are annoyingly little.

Yeah cut us some slack chief - at least 640x480 would be nice :razz: I'm
loathe to download EVERY map and nicely sized and optimised screens
ensures lots of feedback.

But with diddy little things like that, we can't see or say anything about it!

I don't critique CS maps generally, but perhaps this thread will get you the results you desire.

I'll give it a go. I'm incredibly bored right now. Really, you would be surprised. I'll download it once I figure out how to take screenshots and where they go :smile: I'm really incredibly unaware of how this works.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting French Toast</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I'll give it a go. I'm incredibly bored right now. Really, you would be surprised. I'll download it once I figure out how to take screenshots and where they go :smile: I'm really incredibly unaware of how this works. </DIV></DIV>

<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting French Toast</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Fine, I'll tell you just because I'm sick and have nothing better to do. You're being stupid by being a flagrant jackass. You came in here with no knowledge of ..etc..etc..etc </div></div></DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext> </DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext> </DIV>

<DIV class=quotetext>/me has been waiting ages to use this quote </DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext> </DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>now, we're even.</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>/runs</DIV>

Yeah I know Congratulations please drop it know. I'm very ashamed of that post, it was not one of the highlights of my usage of these forums. I also scanned your tutorial of screenshots, but it doesn't say which button takes them (I know it's an F<something>) and I'll just browse for awhile to find out where they go.

i was playing butthole :razz:

as for the screenshot key, its default is F5, but its customizable.. look in your keyboard settings under options..

Errrr...

We arent looking to alienate people by slapping their maps down with
sarcastic attacks, we try and help people by giving them constructive
advice. And we certainly aren't trying to attain a "control" over the
market.

The site is primarily for HL/HL2 and not its mods, which probably
(along with the original size of the screenshots) explains the lack of
feedback.

WTF was all that about cannons, too? Your complaints arent very clear
at all because you've waffled, and all that reference to "cannons" has
gone over my head. You'll have to explain what one is, as I always
thought of a cannon as being a large gun powered by an explosive
charge..

I'll have a look if youre going to whinge so much, but dont expect
feedback if you spit in the face of a community that isnt focused on CS
at all, but is willing in the past and present to help such mappers.

Edit - BTW, creating some kind of lexical set to go with your apparent
arrogant and self assured attitudes toward intelligence is actually
making you look incredibly stupid.

As I suspected, you must mean "canon" - and it isn't pluralised
with double N. Buy a new dictionary, or take the advice - "don't use a
million dollar word when a 5 cents one will suffice".

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Liberal.Nyulism</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>And yes, I know better. I designed the information architecture either in whole or in part, of three of the top ten web sites in the world, and dozens in the second tier.</DIV></DIV>

Er, right, you being an executive and world-wide-internet-guru explains why you're wasting your time on my piss-poor website, and why you failed to notice that at the end of the day this is built around a hobby whose only link with money goes so far as the yearly hosting bill- maps are not a market. And why your website has a ridiculously long list on the right of books, that no-one in their right mind would read in that format. If you people paid me to do this then I'd quit, form a dedicated team and show you real information architecture...

Feel free to give me some helpful criticism though, rather than saying this site should be more like an online magazine and have a whole editorial team working to ensure the masses have access to the hottest new maps. We offer tutorials and the ability to show off your level, and it would be nice to link the whole process together, but without the manpower to organise it all it's not really feasible.

And you want to know why there's "no traffic" in here? It's because most people, like yourself, just turn up and expect fawning praise, without helping other people with their maps. Without a link built into the SDK directing people here, the volume of passers-by simply isn't enough to ensure that there is a large, core group of selfless/map hungry individuals. VERC is only more helpful for that one reason. Why not go help out with the other CS maps here, such as <A name=top>cs_assault_sg</A>, instead of complaining that the community isn't dying to help you out?

On the one hand, I am astounded with your arrogance (and nonsense about 'cannons'), but on the other a bit miffed at the unhelpfulness so far shown in this post. But without charging people $10/year for memberships, that's what you should expect.
As for your map- I, like many others here, don't play CS, though from the screenshots it looks decent, though nothing new or amazing. Nice skybox!

Your displacement surfaces look prety sharp and unrealistic, try
smoothing them off a bit. Also, is it just me or have you overscaled
some of the textures? The standard texture scale should be 0.25 for
most things, with the occasional scaling up to reduce repetition over
large surfaces such as big ground areas or rock faces.

I returned an insult in response to insulting sarcasm, perhaps it was too subtle or complex, and the meaning lost or missed. But bad manners need repercussions. It's just one's moral duty to society. There is far too much talk here about incompetence elsewhere, when those other realms have both competence and civility. Arrogance is a useful trait at times. It is not always unwarranted. But my cast at arrogance is merely the presentation of a mirror. And a justified one, I think.

I think it would be a good idea to lock this thread.

Anyways... Due to a virus on my computer that won't allow my computer to start up normally, I can't do a review of this map, or really do anything for awhile during the time that by dad tries to fix my computer.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Liberal.Nyulism</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I returned an insult in response to insulting sarcasm, perhaps it was too subtle or complex, and the meaning lost or missed. </DIV></DIV>
That's what happens when you don't use enough smilies on the internet :razz: Anyway, back the map...

Reno;

I understand. I'll make another attempt at the displacements. I think, the first few times you make them, in the editor, it's hard to judge what you're doing, and too easy to overdo it, rather than use them for subtlety.

Well, I did overscale a few of the textures in order to avoid cutting brushes, or to make up for textures without A,B and C variants. But it sounds like I cant get away with it if you noticed it.

I keep having problems with overstretching or shrinking the overlays, which need to fit into certain spaces. Do you know if there is a way to scale the texture on an overlay, so that you can fill a space with the overlay, then scale the texture to fit the space?

Thank you very much for your comments.

I'm really not 100% on what you are asking about the overlay issue. All
I can suggest is you take a look at my tutorial on the topic, and
hopefully it will shed some light on how they work.

I returned an insult in response to insulting sarcasm, perhaps
it was too subtle or complex, and the meaning lost or missed. But bad
manners need repercussions. It's just one's moral duty to society...
Arrogance is a useful trait at times.

Well I gotta hand it to you, you certainly have arrogance in spades.

When exactly did this turn into the Suggestions forum?

In regards to the map: the usage of dust textures is generally frowned upon, though it's not so terrible a thing in CS:S as it was in CS. I recognize that you apparently place value on the map's setting, but perhaps mixing in some Havana textures with your Dust ones would be in order (and maybe would help the map to look realistic).

I would give more comments except I don't have time to play it at the moment, and, unless my eyes are somehow failing me, it would appear that you've blurred parts of your screenshots (if this is simply the result of optimization, ignore me).

I must be honest: I typically refrain from giving comments on the works of rude members - and you are certainly showing yourself to be one - but I think this situation can be resolved with some understanding. The Snarkpit is an incredibly useful tool if you just go with its flow, taking from it what good points you can and ignoring its "darker side." Trust me, I wrote the book on arrogance, as people here will be quick to tell you, but in this situation it'll do no good for you to just start spouting your philosophies and broad opinions - especially since, as far as I can tell, nothing outside of your own free will prompted you to do so.

Be cool.

although most of this thread was uninformative before, i cannot clearly define where it went wrong. hence i am confused for the authors complaint.

anyone who has been here more than 2 hours can ascertain that this is not a CS based forum, and as such tends to lean heavily toward the more mature mapping adventures such as HLDM.

at the end of the day however, i concur 100% with leps reply. this is a hobby and anyone whom cannot see it as such will have a very poor experience while staying at our dear site.

my suggestion for what its worth. you have 3 choices.

1) map HLDM and fit in a bit better.
2) continue mapping CS and accept the tid-bits you receive.
3) move to the less mature sites whom specialize in CS minded individuals.

No offence orph, but its a bit off to say HL2DM mapping is more
"mature" than CS mapping. Fair enough, due to its insane popularity
there are a great deal of excitable newcomers and so on that map for
CS, but there are also plenty of great mappers who specialise in CS.
Mapcore for example, has probably more focus on CS than DM, and its not
a community I would call immature given that a large number of the
regulars are professionals.

However, like you, I'm utterly baffled at what rude post Liberal was retorting to.

so maybe my comment was a bit to encompassing.. my limited experience with CS forums has been dreary..

perhaps, i should have said "visit a cs forum more befitting your expectations" that way he can chose his own idea of maturity to endure.

Whatever it was, I don't think anyone of us or Liberal wishes to
continue hammering out the debate, so let's try and get back on course
with the map :smile:

Map Name: de_ignorance (release candidate 2)
Release Date: 5/5/2005
Spawn Points: 64
Linux Data: Yes
Map Size: Approximately Italy/Dust + 20%
Theme: Dust
Info: www.screamingneurons.com/ignorance/default.asp

This map is ready in it's final form.

Thanks for all the help from everyone. It should be one of the best custom maps out there to play.

-LN