What would you do?

O.K. we all seem fair minded enough to handle a poll of this nature. With that thought in mind lets see how a purely hypothetical poll would result.

The poll is multi-situational but essentially all encompassing if you take them all in scope. The question is "Who is more at fault if a person or persons is harmed through an act?"

Situations would be as such,

• You know you have the right to walk down any alley in New York. There is also the criminal element in said alley. If you walked down the alley and were killed would it be your fault or the criminals?
• You are gay. You feel it is well within your right to display affection in public. You are also in a redneck bar and the outlook on gays are spotty at best. If you act on your urges and the bar folk beat you to a pulp is it the bars patrons fault or yours?
• You are in a drive through zoo park. The sign says to remain in the car. Is it your fault or the animals for leaving the window down and being mauled? (This example is slightly out of sync but still viable if you consider that some people are just this stupid)
• The bottle clearly states "Do not take internally, death may occur" You cannot read and after swallowing you find yourself before Saint Peter.
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There are many other examples but you should by now get the general theme which is, "You may be right, but wrong at the same time"

Footnote: I realize that this poll could go almost anyplace please try to be tactful if your reply will single out anyone. Stupid may be universal but expressing stupidity is not.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

The way you've worded the poll responses don't make much sense to me. I don't know how to answer.

Also -- my responses to each situation differ. Disregarding a
written warning on a bottle, or ignoring posted signs at a drive
through zoo park is very different than walking through an alley that
may or may not have criminals in it.

Perhaps I could better respond if you eliminated all but one of the hypothetical situations.

The situations are not relevant other than to speculate on just how stupid people can be. If it makes you feel better choose one and act on it. Each one has nothing in common EXCEPT the act of stupidity.

If you like, I could reword them but you would have to be specific on exactly how so I would respond accordingly.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Legally, its your fault if you ignore posted or written cautions or rules.

Ethically, I still think its your fault if you ignore posted or written cautions.

Discretion and common sense keeps some people safe, and for those who
do end up in situations that could have been avoidable don't really
have my sympathy but at the same time I don't hold them responsible.

You are thinking to logically. In todays society it is now legal to sue someone for harming you, even if you were doing an illegal act in the process.

IE, you fall on a knife while robbing a home, you can sue the owner and win for causing you harm.

You can sue a fast food joint for burning you with hot coffee you yourself applied to your skin. ( A woman successfully sued and won her case after she squashed a cup of coffee between her thighs while driving out of the pickup window )

EDIT: perhaps this poll needs to be just a general topic?

It seems perfectly clear to me, but if it needs removed I can readily concede.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Well she sued McDonalds, and they now have warnings that the contents
of their coffee cups are hot and could burn you. So... as far as
I know no one will be able to sue them again over that issue since they
have a clear warning.

Addicted to Morphine said:
Well she sued McDonalds, and they now have warnings that the contents of their coffee cups are hot and could burn you. So... as far as I know no one will be able to sue them again over that issue since they have a clear warning.

You seem to be deliberately missing the point. The total number of people permitted to sue is not the issue. The point was, why should the restaurant be at fault at all? The woman should by all accounts be totally at fault here.

Again I say, perhaps this should be a general discussion instead of a poll, in spite of the fact that I see the situation clearly enough to warrant the poll.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

I didn't think I'd have to explicitly say that people who sue for
hurting themselves are morons. I thought that was a given.

I wasn't sure that was the issue, I thought you were talking about a
gray area where someone who is walking through an alley gets
murdered. Obviously he/she should have thought twice about going
through the alley, but that example isn't on par with the stupidity
exhibited by the woman who burned her vagina with her own coffee.

After the whole coffee lawsuit my faith in the US Justice system was
slightly restored when a Judge threw out a lawsuit against McDonalds
filed by some fat people who claimed that it was McDonalds fault for
making them obese.

Addicted to Morphine said:
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but that example isn't on par with the stupidity exhibited by the woman who burned her vagina with her own coffee.

Why? Both are in a sense, premeditated. I see them as the same if you consider it in that light.

And, being a moron is another concept that doesn't seem to follow any specific mold. I imagine that the people whom sue, think those whom do not are morons.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

McDonalds really didn't deserve that. Didshe have the same lawyer as OJ? How the hell did she get away with that.

"Judge, I was just driving along ready to get my food, and this giant
f**king clown came up to my car and said 'smile bitch!' and i got
scared and dropped my BURNING HOT coffee, that I wasn't aware that was
hot."

"I would like to plead my client mentally insane"

"the verdic is, she wins, k?"

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Nickelplate is my dad

The woman placed the cup between her thighs. The woman subsequently flexed her muscles and said cup folded under the onslaught. Said cup discharged its contents and the woman's flexing began in earnest.

She did not "spill" the contents.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

The woman placed the cup between her thighs. The woman
subsequently flexed her muscles and said cup folded under the
onslaught. Said cup discharged its contents and the woman's flexing
began in earnest.
She did not "spill" the contents.

"So you can see this is not my clients fault. There should be a sign up
at all McDonalds resrturantes that says 'Don't flex your legs when
coffee is placed between them... results may vary'"

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Nickelplate is my dad

You have the right to follow common sense, ffs.

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:: Forceflow.be :: Nuclear Dawn developer

Hot coffee is hot and will always burn. A person in an alley may
or may not want to rob / harm / murder you. There's a gray area
there.

Personally I don't blame anyone who is a victimized by another human
being because people are so wildly unpredictable. You can't blame
them for not assuming the worst. But when you're dealing with
animal predators who are governed by instinct or objects that
invariably harm you (coffee, pills, whatever) the blame lies with the
person harmed... for disregarding common sense or instructions.

I find the options of your poll confusing, what exactly are you asking?

Until Later... ...I'm so confused

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May I suggest new poll responses?

Something like...

1 - There was nothing wrong with anything they did, and any harm that they come to is the fault and responsibility of others.

2 - They should have used more common sense, but they still should not be blamed.

3 - They are partly responsible for their actions.

4 - They are completely culpable and should be legally responsible for whatever happens.

5 - They are so unintelligent that they deserve to be wiped out.

Forceflow said:
You have the right to follow common sense, ffs.

Common sense is IMO an even more gray area process than people think. It may be peoples best decision to march down that alley or being gay parade their belief in spite of the bruising from the last beating.

The fact that people every day commit brain fartage clearly dictates a shortage of this common sense thing.

Common sense dictates that I not post this poll in this manner but...

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

That's what the Darwin Awards are for.

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Better to be in denial than to be human.

Bill Gates understands binary: his company is number one, and his customers are all zeros.

Foxpup said:
That's what the Darwin Awards are for.

Can ah getta Amen!

What really bothers me is that people are stupid, and then blame someone else for not protecting them from themselves.

All you "agnostics" from the other thread probably believe in evolution. If we don't start letting these morons kill themselves, they're going to pollute the gene pool and we're all going to go downhill in a spiral of genetic dilapidation until we all become dumb enough to NOT know how to keep these idiots alive, then we'll gradually climb up again. Cancer is a prime example. Genes make us more or less susceptible to it, and the genes are passed on by people who've had chemotherapy. they've survived long enough to have kids whereas in olden days they may not have, thus the gene pool is that much more prone to have to cancer-susceptibility gene. Same thing goes with stupidity, i think.

Think about it, in caveman days, if some lady goes up to yellowstone and sees a steaming puddle of boiling hot mud and "doesn't realize that it will be so hot" (analogous to the mcdonalds incident) and jumps in, she dies. No lawsuit, no repercussions except the fact that her stupidity stops immediately right there and is not propagated to anyone else, thus making our species that much better. This is natural selection at it's best, but with all the surgeries and the treatments that make individuals better, we make the species worse.

only when we can find a way to alter our genetics so that these genetic disorders are wiped out and not just patched over with plastic surgery or some kind of implant, will we will truly get better.

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What really bothers me is that people are stupid, and then blame someone else for not protecting them from themselves.

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You know though, these are the same people whom complain about "BIG BROTHER" interfering to much in their lives.

For those whom may not know, big brother is what some call the government.

Sadly, those whom complain loudest about others not minding their own business, most likely NEED someone minding theirs.

This may cause me some hard feelings with some, but in answer to the "evolution" comment, My fondest wish at this time is that the rumor/belief that cell phones can cause cancer is true. I wish with all my heart that some payback will occur for all the self centered drivers whom nearly hit me weekly.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

thats actually a good idea

lets get those scientists who are stupidifying our species and put them to work on that

2 birds with one stone

I think anything to do with animals is a completely different case.

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