You fat pig!

I think Mike was refering to people who don't eat meat and fail to get the nutritional benefits of meat through other foods rather than educated vegetarians.

fraggard said:
Er, just a small fact. Vegetarian diets are in no way harmful to anybody. In fact, they are completely nutritious and wholesome, and are found to be minorly lacking only in the Vitamin B12. And they are not harmful to children in anyway... If they were, 40% of my country should be dead by now.

Yes, but your country isn't exactly WESTERN is it?

Generally speaking, people in Western cultures don't know how to maintain a proper vegetarian diet. Yes, I know there are exceptions. My point is that it is particularly dangerous for a child to be forced to eat one of these badly-balanced vegetarian diets.

edit Er, what Dave said :heee: edit

No, I wasn't saying you're wrong or anything, though I quoted you. I was just pointing out a common misconception among lots of people (include quite a few of my friends) that vegetarian diets are actually harmful and not nutritious at all.

Anyway, I know I'm an idiot, and none of this matters. So I'll go get a life. KTHXBYE!!11oneone

it is my understanding that 100% vegetarian diets are not as beneficial as once thought.

not that they are bad diets by any definition, but the concept has not been around long enuff, to know all the possible pro's and con's yet.

as stated already, vegy diets are lacking, and if the proper supplements are not used, can cause issues, but the fact remains, humans were evolved as omnivores, not only to widen our ability to eat, but to assure that no matter where we live, we will survive.

also, i have heard rumors of people misunderstanding vegy diets to the detriment of their children's growth, and if this proves out, should be considered a form of neglect, and the parents held criminally responsible. it seems at certain ages, brain functions are "food" assisted, and can cause mild forms of mental handicaps if the child has missed certain dietary suppliments..

anyways, these are just things i have heard.. as i told people all my life, i love veggies, and could be a vegetarian easily, if it weren't for meat

"How can I trust a man who won't eat a good old fashioned American hot dog?"

- Sgt. Hank Hando, SWAT

My friend is a vegetarian and you can tell he does not have enough iron in him, especially in the cold weather. The human body has developed to our diets, one might say that our apendix was used some time ago, now days all it does is sit there and occationally get infected. =P

Orpheus said:
it is my understanding that 100% vegetarian diets are not as beneficial as once thought.

Wrong. They are just as good as any other diet. It's just a question of perfecting the mix of nutrients over time.

not that they are bad diets by any definition, but the concept has not been around long enuff, to know all the possible pro's and con's yet.

Again, false. Actually, it's been around for a very long time, unless you're talking about only the westerners again.

as stated already, vegy diets are lacking, and if the proper supplements are not used, can cause issues, but the fact remains, humans were evolved as omnivores, not only to widen our ability to eat, but to assure that no matter where we live, we will survive.

That last part is is very true. Our body can adapt to any kind of diet.

Just to clear up all the dust :smile:

I dunno for kids, but for adults vegetarian diets are very healthy. All the vegetarian people I know are very slim, and sexy. They have a different skin... like a plant. Anyway, junk food everyday is definitely not healthy.

fraggard said:

Orpheus said:
it is my understanding that 100% vegetarian diets are not as beneficial as once thought.

Wrong. They are just as good as any other diet. It's just a question of perfecting the mix of nutrients over time.

not that they are bad diets by any definition, but the concept has not been around long enuff, to know all the possible pro's and con's yet.

Again, false. Actually, it's been around for a very long time, unless you're talking about only the westerners again.

as stated already, vegy diets are lacking, and if the proper supplements are not used, can cause issues, but the fact remains, humans were evolved as omnivores, not only to widen our ability to eat, but to assure that no matter where we live, we will survive.

That last part is is very true. Our body can adapt to any kind of diet.

Just to clear up all the dust :smile:

fragman, its not a common sight to see a bunch of Hindu's or monks, or even aztec's around jonesboro arkansas.. what other source would i have to draw from except "westerners" as you say

jeeze guys, i assume my info has holes in it, but wrong, is pretty decisive, allow oneself the benefit, that your info may have a leak at least, if not a few holes too.

i for one, have seen no completely healthy vegitarians... ever. i do assume some exist, but till i meet one, they are only rumors.

don't discount what i say, just because you do have monks, or aztec's or hindu's walking your streets

goes back to grilling 1" T-Bone :wink:

Orpheus said:
what other source would i have to draw from except "westerners" as you say

don't discount what i say, just because you do have monks, or aztec's or hindu's walking your streets

sigh This is the most pointless discussion ever, don'cha think? Our views seem pretty much fixed and inflexible on both sides.

...

Oh My God I'm becoming a cranky old man.

fraggard said:
Oh My God I'm becoming a cranky old man.

you make this sound, like a bad thing :smile:

my views on the subject are as flexible as my experience allows them to be, they are not set in stone, as yours seems to be, but that only means, you have examples to chose from that are better than mine are.

if you like, i can accept your word on this and end the discussion, but you have not told us as yet, if you are a practicing vegetarian or not, and are you indeed healthy for being one.. i would be more willing to listen to someone who practices what they preach, for more than word-of-mouth.

all <--- points to word for emphasis.. of the vegetarians i have seen are sickly, all the time, but insist (i feel they are in denial) that they are just fine...

now if you wanna discuss the benefits, of eating meat... well there are many sickly meat eaters too, so....

Orpheus said:
my views on the subject are as flexible as my experience allows them to be, they are not set in stone, as yours seems to be, but that only means, you have examples to chose from that are better than mine are.

TBH, I've never said that "Vegetarian diets are the only way to go, and all meat eaters die a horrible death in the end". I was just arguing that both are equally good, assuming the people who eath them have enough knowledge to have a balanced meal.

Orpheus said:
if you like, i can accept your word on this and end the discussion, but you have not told us as yet, if you are a practicing vegetarian or not, and are you indeed healthy for being one.. i would be more willing to listen to someone who practices what they preach, for more than word-of-mouth.

You don't need to take my word on it. but Yes and Yes to both parts.

fraggard said:
You don't need to take my word on it. but Yes and Yes to both parts.

then you my good and trusted friend have the distinction of being my first..

i am please to say, that its nice to know the rumors have been substantiated..

wow, who'd have thought all those years ago, i'd buy HL, learn to map for it, and meet my first truly healthy vegetarian.. and he is a mapper of note as well :smile:

thanx fragman, there is hope for me afterall, with people like you to show me the way, i am bound for enlightenment eventually :biggrin:

Ive always nagged myself about trying to go vegetarian, but I just dont have the motivation for it. I eat allot of meat & junky crap, I think its great if people can achieve it for whatever reason.

Truth is I hardly ever imagine that what I eat was once a living creature because when its on your plate it doesnt exactly remind you of one.

I cant imagine id ever turn vegetarian, but it would always be a nice thing to do.

I've never considered going vegetarian. IMO, theres no reason. Anyone who can think of a good reason for going vegetarian, I'd like to hear it.

If you're likely to die of a heart attack, I'd have thought going vegetarian in your 40's/50's was a good way to avoid it?

wil5on said:
I've never considered going vegetarian. IMO, theres no reason. Anyone who can think of a good reason for going vegetarian, I'd like to hear it.

if more people go vegy, then the price of wheatgerm goes up, and the price of meat goes down.. so my wallet encourages you to go vegy, so i can afford more meat.. :biggrin:

Need I remind you, Orph, that there are plenty of people who get sick on a omnivorous diet as well.

Myself, I remain a skinny bastard whatever I try to do, period. A vegetarian diet would starve me.

I hear you cass, I'm the exact same - no matter how big the platefuls I eat are I'm still skinny. Kinda handy in ways I guess, but I'd rather be a tad less thin.

Same here.

Better than having a spare tyre.

if more people go vegy, then the price of wheatgerm goes up, and the price of meat goes down.. so my wallet encourages you to go vegy, so i can afford more meat.. :biggrin:

The prices won't go up if more people want it bud. The producers will be able to achieve economies of scale and the price will go down. :smile:

Cassius said:
Need I remind you, Orph, that there are plenty of people who get sick on a omnivorous diet as well.

Myself, I remain a skinny bastard whatever I try to do, period. A vegetarian diet would starve me.

i have no doubt of that cass, people can abuse any diet, and become unhealthy, as to the weight issue, you need enjoy it while you can, cause old age will fix that problem right up.. i was very/very thing till about 35 or so, then i shot up an additional 50 lbs.

when i was 12, i was 4'10" and 85 lbs, at 17 i was 5'7" and 130, at 20 i was 5'9" and 150, and remained so till about my mid 30's.. i am 41 and 5' 91/2" and 200 whopping lbs of chunky.. your metabolism will catch up to you eventually.

Alien_Sniper said:

if more people go vegy, then the price of wheatgerm goes up, and the price of meat goes down.. so my wallet encourages you to go vegy, so i can afford more meat.. :biggrin:

The prices won't go up if more people want it bud. The producers will be able to achieve economies of scale and the price will go down. :smile:

bulls**t.. chicken was like 15 cents a pound, before someone discovered it was healthy, its from 85 cents to well over a dollar a pound now.. same with fish, went thru the roof when some asswipe declared it healthy.. my theory is, let the dummies go vegy, it will cause meat prices to plummet..

Leperous said:
If you're likely to die of a heart attack, I'd have thought going vegetarian in your 40's/50's was a good way to avoid it?

I suppose its possible, but completely cutting meat out of your diet, suddenly, in your 40s/50s will probably be worse for you. The best thing to do in that situation (if meat is actually a problem), I would say, is to just reduce the amount of meat in your diet.