New Orleans

Nickelplate said:
You'd think that all the f**kin money we've BEEN paying would cover it but apparently we all gotta pay for stupid ppl who wished to live 38 ft below sea level ONTHE COAST!

answer this question honestly: Imagine you were born there in a family that's been living there for generations. Would you move out of there as soon as you could?

Nickelplate said:
Anyway, lots of brits were against our "war on terrorism" but then when they got hit, it was a new perspective for them, maybe holland just needs a wake-up call.

As Gwil says, i hope you're joking. Right now, this sounds like: "anyone who doesnt think like us us should be punished".

Also, war on terrorism is one thing, but it's a whole other thing if it's used as a banter for doing things under another agenda. The truth is that it's almost impossible to fight terrorism as a war. you even risk to to put oil on the fire. information and intelligence systems, that's the way.

Anyway back on topic, you all should watch this video if you havent already. Mike Myers and Kanye West are supposed to do a fund raising show but Kanye West, much respected for his input in hiphop, gets real emotional and says his own speach instead of the one written for him.

It was live. NBC attempted to cut off the out-of-line remarks by cutting to a shot of actor Chris Tucker, but by then, the damage had already been done.

http://rapidshare.de/files/4663690/kanye.avi.html

Scroll down and hit "Free", download should start 30 seconds later

(or if you dont want to wait: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/files/pleasedonthotlinkthisvideothanks.wmv )

his coproduction with dilated peoples, "worst comes to worst" jumps to mind

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Crono said:
How are poor people supposed to pay for a more expensive building material?

On
top of that, how are you suppose to sway developers who build what they
please using whatever materials they see fit (the cheapest)?

Yep I may well not have the whole picture - obviously there will be differences between our two Countries, but...

There are plenty of poor people here in the UK, Crono. The Brit
Government has an obligation to house those who can't afford to
buy/build their own property and still manages to house its population
in something other than wooden houses. Surely the US - the richest
Country on the planet and with far more resources available - can do
too?

Also, here in the UK all new buildings (and changes to existing
buildings) have to pass a series of Planning and Building Regulations
before they're allowed to be built. Up until 5 years ago I worked for
an Architects Practice producing CAD plans which had to adhere to these
required building practices. Failure to do so could mean anything from
prison terms to buildings being demolished. Surely there are also
standard building practices in the US? In the best interests of not
building wooden homes in the paths of hurricanes, if there aren't
already regulations to stipulate that residences have to be built with
strong building materials, surely there should be?

By no means do I wish this to appear to be an anti-US post or
anything, but like I originally said it's always seemed odd to me that
the US, with all its power & resources, has a large number of its
population in South-Eastern States housed in wooden residences.

heh , my grandad's house is right on the coast and its made of wood ,
its survived plenty of hurricanes. the problem with new orleans is that
it was flooded a lot

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blister that video was amazing

Nickelplate said:
Anyway, lots of brits were against our "war on terrorism" but then
when they got hit, it was a new perspective for them, maybe holland
just needs a wake-up call.

As Gwil says, i hope you're joking. Right now, this sounds like: "anyone who doesnt think like us us should be punished".

It does, yes.

Nickelplate, We're no strangers to bombing by terrorists; the IRA were
planting them in London and elsewhere for years. No new perspective on
anything - just a different group of loonies to contend with.

Yeh, forgot about IRA. It sucks that they just disbanded and then the arab terror ppl decided to start in on it.

Even if my family had lived in New Orleans for hundreds of years, I would still move away when I saw ships going by ABOVE the level of my house and when I found out that the city was 38 ft below sea level and also in the path of numerous hurricanes throughout the years.

Donations are fine, but I can't abide that it is mandated that I pay the insurance companies for this disaster. Now, you can tell me I am thinking only of myself in this, but until you know how much I and my family have donated, reserve your judgement. I urge all to donate what they can, but to MAKE people pay to recover the mismanagement of funds by insurance companies is bulls**t.

I didn't want it to sound like "anyone who doesnt think like us us should be punished" but i was not joking. My point was, sometimes it takes a bad thing to change people's points of view on things. And whether it is IRA or Al-Qaeda, DOEs make a difference. When the IRA bombs something it has nothing to do with the USA's war on terror. People dont get hit by an IRA bomb and say "damn those arabs! Bush was right." up until these latest tube bombings, arab terrorism really hadn't had much to do with the UK. But when Al-qaeda takes credit for the recent bombings, people don't get mad ar IRA, they get mad at Arabs and it changes thier perspective. so, whether or not you've had experience with bombs or not is irrelevant, only whether you've dealt with the type of terrorism that the US is fighting.

And about the Kayne guy: WTF? I didn't know that only black ppl lived in New Orleans. even if there are whites there, they must be just fine! Yeah, black ppl had it bad a long time ago, things are goin' okay now, so get your act together and stop complaining already.

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I didn't want it to sound like "anyone who doesnt think like
us us should be punished" but i was not joking. My point was, sometimes
it takes a bad thing to change people's points of view on things. And
whether it is IRA or Al-Qaeda, DOEs make a difference. When the IRA
bombs something it has nothing to do with the USA's war on terror.
People dont get hit by an IRA bomb and say "damn those arabs! Bush was
right." up until these latest tube bombings, arab terrorism really
hadn't had much to do with the UK. But when Al-qaeda takes credit for
the recent bombings, people don't get mad ar IRA, they get mad at Arabs
and it changes thier perspective. so, whether or not you've had
experience with bombs or not is irrelevant, only whether you've dealt
with the type of terrorism that the US is fighting.

Pakistanis in London's case, not Arabs.

We're not idiots you know, Nickelplate, do you think we were unaware of the threat? It was always a question of when rather than if - no new perspective - no swelling of the Pro Bush ranks.

How does "the type of terrorism that the US is fighting" differ from
that practised by the IRA or any other bunch of murderous lunatics
anywhere else on Earth?

wow, don't get your panties in a wad, mate. I never said you were ALL idiots, just most of you. It's the same thing here in america.

There is no difference in the acts of the terrorism, it's who people want to retaliate at afterwards. That's what the difference is.

I don't think it's a "pro-bush" thing either.

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wow, don't get your panties in a wad, mate. I never said you
were ALL idiots, just most of you. It's the same thing here in america.
There is no difference in the acts of the terrorism, it's who people
want to retaliate at afterwards. That's what the difference is.

I don't think it's a "pro-bush" thing either.

I pride myself on my wad-free panties :smile:

I'm not having a go at you, Nickelplate, I don't get what you're
driving at that's all. I think we've got our wires crossed somewhere.

I think that's what happened. Crossed wires.

I wasn't actually meaning anything derrogatory toward anyone. All I was saying is that the news showed (mind you it's USA news, not real news) that there was much more support for the "war on terror" from Britons after the tube bombings.

I don't know about in the UK, but in america it was said that some large percent of americans thought that Osama Bin Laden was the president of Iraq, and that Taliban was the "arab word for 'nuclear'"

I was just saying that thier attention was turned away from IRA and toward middle eastern stuff after the latest tube bombings.

No hard feelings, eh? :biggrin:

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Nickelplate said:
Even if my family had lived in New Orleans for hundreds of years, I would still move away when I saw ships going by ABOVE the level of my house and when I found out that the city was 38 ft below sea level and also in the path of numerous hurricanes throughout the years.

I'd better get moving then, half of the country is below sea-level and sinks slowly.

It just one of those things you learn to live with, i would never be crazy enough to live in tornado ally, still people live down there.

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Lol, I live on the Ozark Plateau, one of the last places to get flooded when the inevitable inundation comes.

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So, a few things have happened, for those who aren't exactly "in the loop"

They are now forcibly evacuating the remaining residents of N.O.

I think they're mostly finished that process, but I'm not sure. I
only half pay attention when listening to the radio. Apparently
the flood waters were so toxic they said that you should try to keep it
away from exposed skin... yikes.

Also, with the help of a new Canadian (booyaka!) invention, they're
planning on having the 58 billion some odd galons of water pumped out
in under 2 weeks.

And with the help of said invention, they're hoping to contain the oil
spill that occured and help clean it up fairly quickly too.

Just a little update for those who don't know. Correct me if I'm
wrong on anything, and add other information if you have it.

58 billion? Okay, I guess u were right.. Canada's better...

But new orleans was trying to do thier part against the flooding that results from global warming and now you Canadians have gone and undone it!

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I'm from Louisiana, and have spent a good bit of time in New Orleans. I can tell you one thing, the majority of the 'common folk' don't think much at all about the potential risk of hurricanes and flooding. Especially when they pass year after year, without much damage. People get very comfortable, very easily. Plus, as you see in the news, 3/4 of that area is poor, and are more worried about putting food on the table and paying rent, than whether the levee's will hold.

This is a state that reelected a Govenor (Edwin Edwards), who was a convicted felon, launderer, and mobster (basically). But Edwards brought big money to Louisiana from riverboat gambling and such. These are the priorities.... not investing, and dumping a s**tload of money into protection against some unseen threat. Louisiana is not the most 'progressive' state in the union.

And, for most of the people living in the worst spots.... the people who actually live on the bayou, in houseboats, fishing for a living.... moving is not an option. Those people have called that land home for generation after generation, and their whole way of life is centered around the land. The majority would rather take their chances than uproot.

But what a big chance to take! People have been living in dangerous areas ever since people have been living in areas at all. But back in those days, when thier town flooded, they didn't bitch when everything wasn't back to normal in 3 days.

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