FALL BACK, I'll Catch you

When we change our clocks

Daylight Saving Time begins for most of the United States
at 2:00 a.m. on the first Sunday of April. Time reverts to standard
time at 2:00 a.m. on the last Sunday of October. In the U.S., each time
zone switches at a different time.

In the European Union, Summer Time begins and ends at
1:00 a.m. Universal Time (Greenwich Mean Time). It begins the last
Sunday in March and ends the last Sunday in October. In the EU, all
time zones change at the same moment.

Changing the time is about as useless as tits on a boar hog. Archaic concepts we need to remove, and this is one of them.

A few others of note:

• Personal property tax? WTF is this? We buy something, pay a tax at the moment of purchase and then pay taxes annually henceforth?
• Toll roads? And who the hells pocket is this idea lining?
• Child support? Yeah, the child my ass. Subsidized ex-spousal support more like.
• Social security? I suppose none of you have actually looked at a check have you? Its a laugh.

Please feel free to continue your list of archaic concepts.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

I liked getting an extra hour of sleep today.

Sleep? I spent my free hour playing Half-Life while my wife is running her 18 miles this morning.

Underdog said:
Personal property tax

I am all for that. I pay $3000 in taxes a month to the U.S.
government. I am personally feeding all the poor in this country.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Spent my hour, and them some, trying to watch the late night re-runs of
anime, on adult swim, that I missed earlier that night because of
work. Then anime comes on that's old, I decided to turn off the t
for 30 minutes. Turns out, I stayed wake till ten minutes before
the episode aired. Looks like I'll have o record it this thursday.

Yup, woke up this morning, feeling like I missed something; then it
suddenly hit me that there was a void in my head about last nights
episode of s-Cry-ed. Man, don't just hate it when that happens.
It's even worse for the shows that may not have a re-run until the next
three months.

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You know, I've actually got nothing to say

I spent my hour sleeping.

S-Cry-Ed blows.

I guess I'm glad Adult Swim stopped whoring out good anime, since they'd beat it to death.

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I spent my hour getting some extra playing time at a LAN party :biggrin:

I remember a couple of years ago this whole thing was discussed in
parliment. One reason for changing the clocks back is to give burglars
less dark time. Because burglars care about what time it is THAT much.
Its stupid and it confuses me every single time.

Isn't it a bit like changing how long a foot is on Wednesdays? We
should have a universal metric time system, just for a laugh if we're
changing stuff around. Marking out holidays would be a bitch though. :razz:

Me and about 60 other people spend that extra hour polishing off 3 kegs.

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PixelGames

Daylight savings time was implimented to allow farmers more harvesting hours during the day for the harvest season (april-october) ... as far as I know.

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Yeah well, I didn't do anything special because Arizona isn't affected
by Daylight Savings Time. We sit back and let everyone else mess with
their clocks. Ahhh it feels so good being in the laziest state in the
US. :smile:

Daylight savings time was implimented to allow farmers more
harvesting hours during the day for the harvest season (april-october)
... as far as I know.

You know whats odd. I grew up in farm country, (no thats not the odd part)
Whats odd is, farmers make their own hours. They do not rely on clocks.
Most times they harvest whenever the dew is dry and stop when the dew
falls.

I grew up all my life hearing that this is why we change our clocks but its untrue. :sad:

Yeah well, I didn't do anything special because Arizona isn't affected
by Daylight Savings Time. We sit back and let everyone else mess with
their clocks. Ahhh it feels so good being in the laziest state in the
US. :smile:

I argued this point with an Arizona native once. He claimed that they
did not change time with the fall and spring changes. I said they did
because 1/2 the year they are on California time and 1/2 the year they
are on New Mexico time.

He never did understand my point. :sad:

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Who said Daylight Savings Time never hurt anyone?

www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-38.html

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Better to be in denial than to be human.

Bill Gates understands binary: his company is number one, and his customers are all zeros.

It isn't "untrue". That's the reason daylight savings was implimented. Are you just forgetting when that was? I doubt you were growing up on a farm 200 years ago when it was actually needed (You know when most people farmed). So, stuff it.

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<div class="quote"><div class="quotetitle">? quote:</div><div class="quotetext">Yeah well, I didn't do anything special because Arizona isn't affected
by Daylight Savings Time. We sit back and let everyone else mess with
their clocks. Ahhh it feels so good being in the laziest state in the
US. :smile:

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I argued this point with an Arizona native once. He claimed that they
did not change time with the fall and spring changes. I said they did
because 1/2 the year they are on California time and 1/2 the year they
are on New Mexico time.

He never did understand my point. :sad:

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I understand that point, but I only take that into consideration
when I
am calling someone in another time zone, like my mom. Part of the time
she is in my time zone, the other, shes not. Other than that,
DST is really no big deal to me. But we actually never touch our clocks for those changes UD.

It isn't "untrue". That's the reason daylight savings was
implimented. Are you just forgetting when that was? I doubt you were
growing up on a farm 200 years ago when it was actually needed (You
know when most people farmed). So, stuff it.

Oh yeah I forgot. 200 years ago they hadn't had dew yet.

So sayth the city boy. It may have been documented as thats the reason Crono, but take my word for it, its bulls**t.

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Daylight savings time is kind of confusing. To be honest I didn't
know much about it until I looked it up on the wikipedia. It has
information Arizona and agriculture that is relevant to what we've been
discussing. Here's
the relevant excerpt:

"

Rationales for DST

One of the major reasons given for observing DST is energy
conservation. Theoretically, the amount of residential electricity
needed in the evening hours is dependent both on when the sun sets and
when people go to bed. Because people tend to observe the same bedtime
year-round, by artificially moving sunset one hour later, the amount of
energy used is theoretically reduced. United States Department of Transportation studies showed that DST reduces the country's electricity usage by one percent during each day DST is in effect.

Part of the reason that it is normally observed in the late spring,
summer, and early autumn is because during the winter months the amount
of energy saved by moving sunset one hour later is negated by the
increased need for morning lighting by moving sunrise by the same
amount. During the summer most people would wake up after the sun
rises, regardless of whether daylight saving time is in effect or not,
so there is no increased need for morning lighting to offset the
afternoon energy savings.

Another perceived benefit of DST is increased opportunities for
outdoor activities. Most people plan outdoor activities during the
increased hours of sunlight. Other benefits cited include prevention of
traffic injuries (by allowing more people to return home from work or
school in daylight), and crime reduction (by reducing people's risk of
being targets of crimes that are more common in dark areas).

When the U.S. went on extended DST in 1974 and 1975 in response to the 1973 energy crisis,
Department of Transportation studies found that observing DST in March
and April saved 10,000 barrels of oil a day, and prevented about 2,000
traffic injuries and 50 fatalities saving about U.S. $28 million in traffic costs. (Stats from this article).

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Criticism of DST

DST is not universally accepted; many localities do not observe it.
Opponents claim that there is not enough benefit to justify needing to
adjust clocks twice every year. The disruption in sleep patterns
associated with setting clocks either forward or backward correlates
with a spike in the number of severe auto accidents,<sup id="ref_autoaccidents" class="plainlinksneverexpand">[1]</sup>
as well as lost productivity as sleep-disrupted workers adjust to the
schedule change. It is also noted that much effort is spent reminding
everyone twice a year of the change, and thousands are inconvenienced
by showing up at the wrong time when they forget.

There is also a question whether the savings in lighting costs justifies the increase in summertime air conditioning
costs. While most people use more sunlight under DST, most people also
experience more heat, which prompts many people to turn on the air
conditioner during the warmer afternoon hours. When air conditioning
was not widely available, the change did save energy; however, air
conditioning is much more widespread now than it was several decades
ago. Air conditioning often uses more energy than artificial lighting.
It was for this reason that Arizona rejected DST and opted to stay on
standard time all year.

It is also speculated that one of the benefits, more afternoon sun,
would also actually increase energy consumption as people get into
their cars to enjoy more time for shopping and the like.

No formal studies have been performed, but an enormous amount of
time has been spent by software developers to deal with the fact that
2400 hours past 2pm is not necessarily 2pm 100 days later.

For example, during a North American time change, an autumn night
where clocks are reset from 3 AM summer to 2 AM winter time, times
between 2AM and 3AM will occur twice, causing confusion in transport
schedules, payment systems, etc.

Some studies do show that changing the clock increases the traffic
accident rate. Following the spring shift to Daylight Saving Time (when
one hour of sleep is lost) there is a measurable increase in the number
of traffic accidents that result in fatalities. Some suspect that the
change in lighting conditions confuses drivers in their regular
commutes. Others speculate that it relates more to the amount of sleep
a person gets. Still others suspect that people hurry because they have
looked at an incorrect clock and discover that they are late. And a few
even suggest that the traffic accidents are caused by people trying to
reset the clocks in their cars while driving.

Some campaigners in Britain would like the country to stay on British Summer Time (BST) all year round, or in other words, adopt Central European Time
and abolish BST. Alternatively, some would like Britain to adopt
Central European Time and jump forward another hour during the summer
(adopting a Single/Double Summer Time from Britain's perspective). This
would make winter evenings longer, thereby reducing traffic accidents
and cases of seasonal affective disorder. Opponents point to the longer hours of darkness on winter mornings, especially in Scotland,
which might well cause an increase in road accidents. It has even been
suggested that Scotland should be placed on a different time zone from the rest of the UK, which, unlikely though it may sound, would be possible as the UK Parliament could legislate to put the UK forward an hour, and then the Scottish Parliament could put Scotland back onto GMT.

DST is particularly unpopular among people working in agriculture
because the animals do not observe it, and thus the people are placed
out of synchronization with the rest of the community, including school
times, broadcast schedules, and the like."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

Yeah, just read that.

I also thought Franklin was responsible, however, apparently, what he was proposing was a different sleeping schedule and all the teachers I've had are morons.

City boy? Are you implying I live in the limits of a city ... as any other person in the US?

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DST is particularly unpopular among people working in agriculture

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You know whats odd. I grew up in farm country, (no thats not the odd part)
Whats odd is, farmers make their own hours. They do not rely on clocks.
Most times they harvest whenever the dew is dry and stop when the dew
falls.

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As I was saying.

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I thought it's a very clever idea. Time is an artificial and arbitrary measurement anyway, and if we can manipulate it to our advantage, more power to us.

By the way, one of my patients showed up an hour too early. So they ended up waiting for more than an hour to be seen.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Actually, It's "Daylight Saving Time" without the S at the end of "saving."

Kinda like it's "Safe Deposit box" not safety deposit box. even though they say it on TV. Another one is Anyways. there's no S at the end!

Anyway, Toll road money goes towards paying the road workers to keep that road expecially nice. dunno if it walyes happens, but there is turnpike in colorado that is just emaculate and without potholes. its a nice toll road. Always clean when I go out there to ski.

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Anyway, Toll road money goes towards paying the road workers
to keep that road expecially nice. dunno if it walyes happens, but
there is turnpike in colorado that is just emaculate and without
potholes. its a nice toll road. Always clean when I go out there to ski.

It might pay for you to read up on this then. Ideally, "fuel tax" goes
into the maintainence of all roadways. Including the clipping of the
grass.

Toll roads, statistically are in no better condition than non-toll roads on average.

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I haven't read up on this, but I'm guessing toll roads are high traffic and need to be repaved / maintained more often.

@Nickelplate, my bad man... I know that's one of you pet peeves.

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Edit: I
looked up more info about toll roads here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_roads but couldn't seem to find any
relevant information.

Actually... this is kind of interesting : Kentucky has an extensive system of parkways, built in the 1960s and 1970s,
which began as toll roads; only two of the nine roads still collect
tolls, as state law requires toll collection to cease once the road's
construction bonds are paid off

Actually, It's "Daylight Saving Time" without the S at the end of "saving."
Kinda like it's "Safe Deposit box" not safety deposit box. even though they say it on TV. Another one is Anyways. there's no S at the end!

Didn't we already have this thread? :smile:

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Actually... this is kind of interesting : Kentucky has an extensive system of parkways, built in the 1960s and 1970s,
which began as toll roads; only two of the nine roads still collect
tolls, as state law requires toll collection to cease once the road's
construction bonds are paid off

Kentucky is one of the only states that apparently gave the roadway
back to the state once the monies were collected from tolls to pay for
them.

Since then however, the roads have degraded to a point where they are
considering reinstating the toll. I am not sure, but I have seen a few
construction areas that appear to be rebuilding the old plaza's.

Lucky, kentucky has low fee's so paying them should not be quite as bad
as say New Jersey or some of the other high end states who rob their
roadways.

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Crono said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>Actually, It's "Daylight Saving Time" without the S at the end of "saving."
Kinda like it's "Safe Deposit box" not safety deposit box. even though they say it on TV. Another one is Anyways. there's no S at the end!

Didn't we already have this thread? :smile: </div></div>

yes.. but you can never have too many reminders when your reputation as someone who speaks correctly is on the line! :biggrin:

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The toll roads work up here in BC Canada...to get to the interiortheres 2 roads..The old Hope-Princeton way or take the Coquihalla (toll road). The Coquihalla is in much better condition and just better to drive on. Nice easy turns, 3 lanes in some places...just perect for going 160 kph in the blazing sun. The Hope-Princeton on the other hand, takes a bit longer plus the road is not in the best condition, its drivable thought, just not ideal. Thats where the big landslide happened a few years, on the H-P.

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PixelGames

i wouldnt think having darkness earlier in peoples day would save
energy, in fact i would expect the opposite, lights are needed and its
usually cooler so they use heat

maybe im wrong

Nickelplate said:
Actually, It's "Daylight Saving Time" without the S at the end of "saving."

Kinda like it's "Safe Deposit box" not safety deposit box. even though they say it on TV. Another one is Anyways. there's no S at the end!

Anyway, Toll road money goes towards paying the road workers to keep that road expecially nice. dunno if it walyes happens, but there is a turnpike in colorado that is just emaculate and without potholes. its a nice toll road. Always clean when I go out there to ski.

-Especially, not expecially. Expecially is how little kids who are still learning to talk say it.
-Don't know, "dunno" is not a word, and the first letter of the first word in a sentence should be capitalised.
-I fixed a mistake there in red.
-Immaculate, not emaculate.
-The proper word is "It's", with an apostrophe to indicate it's a contraction of "it is". Again, capitalisation.
You were asking for that :razz:

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

• That's what I get for typing fast.
• I never said "Expecially," did i? because I KNOW that is not right... my brother used to say that... typo.
• I meant to say Emasculate, like what I'm going to do to you.

:biggrin:

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A turnpike in colorado that is just emasculate and without potholes? That's even more wrong. :razz:

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