Which one will you (or have you) getting/got.

With the release of the Nintendo Wii coming close (:D) I thought it
would be good to hear people's opinions on it, and the competition.

As far as I can see the 360 seems to be the winner of this generations
consoles. Though I feel that the Wii is going to be a big seller,
probably bigger than the GC.

I know that i'll be buying a N-Wii this christmas/new year. Reason you
ask? I haven't had a console since the PS One, to be perfectly honest I
got bored of them, and I had my PC if I wanted to do some gaming, the
games on both platforms are quite similar. Though i've been looking at
the new Nintendo and it has something different, an edge. The
controller takes away the mundaness of 'fap fap faping' on a PS2 pad.
The games themselves are the ones that I grew up with, Mario, Sonic and
the rest.

I see this as a big hit to Sony, as the Nintendo Wii isn't as much
direct competition to the 360 as the PS3 is, they're aiming at
different markets. And with the PS3 release date already quite late,
will Blu-Ray be enough to make people shell out ?400+ for a console?

I'm not going to comment on anything besides what I'll be getting.

I'll be getting a Wii. Because it looks ridiculously fun. Something Nintendo is good at is keeping the fun factor in games alive.

There are games for PS3 and 360 that look awesome ... but I'm not shelling out a dime for them. There's really nothing there that I MUST have. Resident Evil 5, Gears of War, Resistance, and so many other games look fantastic ... but there's really no appeal past graphics. I think the only case that would be acceptable is if the game already has a solid gameplay element. Resident Evil, tends to have solid gameplay. Gears of War looks like a 3^rd person shooter, with the "new" feature that you can hide behind cover and shoot stuff. Even if the game is immensly fun, a graphical upgrade and tweaking of Kill Shot is not going to sell me a console (even if that is a gross oversimplification). Resistance, as far as I can tell is a FPS with mosters who have guns. We all know that isn't new. So, I don't really feel compelled to play them over anything else, even if I do want to play them.

That's my outlook on it. The games look great and fun, but not appealing enough to get PS2 quality games with next generation graphics all for close to $1,000.

That and I hate Sony and Microsoft. I wouldn't buy a Microsoft conole on principle alone. I'll probably end up getting a PS3 in a few years, when I can find a used one for under $200.

I don't expect anyone to have the same outlook, these are just things I look for.

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I understand what you are saying about the PS3 Crono, and your reasons
for getting the Wii are very similar to mine. I'll admit, it's the most
'fun-est' console i've ever seen, and this is what is making me buy it.
Where as the PS3 and 360 don't add anything. I can game with good
graphics online on my PC, I can play DVD's, movies etc on my PC or dvd
player.

I think that the PS3 is one hell of a rip-off, not to mention that I
believe they are bringing Blu-ray out to early when DVD still has life
in it.

I have barely thought about it at all as I think they're too expensive to buy when they're released. If and when I buy a new console it will probably be a PS3.

Now that the releases of these two new consoles are coming closer, do you think you'd be able to make a profit preordering them and then selling? I'm tempted to buy a few PS3s/Wiis and try.

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If I can only manage to scrape together a machine big enough to run HL2, I'll be content.

My wish list is that small.

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Now that the releases of these two new consoles are coming closer,
do you think you'd be able to make a profit preordering them and then
selling? I'm tempted to buy a few PS3s/Wiis and try.

To be honest, that's a terrible thing to do, same lines as scamming in my opinion.

Orph, I thought you already had a machine that can play HL2?

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Now that the releases of these two new consoles are coming closer, do you think you'd be able to make a profit preordering them and then selling? I'm tempted to buy a few PS3s/Wiis and try.

To be honest, that's a terrible thing to do, same lines as scamming in my opinion.
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How come you think that? Selling them for a higher price when the supply is low is hardly scamming.

$loth said:
Orph, I thought you already had a machine that can play HL2?

http://www.snarkpit.net/forums.php?forum=1&topic=7302&30

Sorry to hear about it Orph. :sad:

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I wont be springing for any of these consoles. At least not right away.

In a year or so when the dust settles if there's a clear victor in this generation of console wars, I might think about picking it up.

I bought my 360 last year and love it, though right now there aren't that many games. Perfect Dark Zero, Saint's Row and Dead or Alive4 are pretty sweet.
Also I have the option to play alot of the old Xbox games I missed out on, assuming the have been "patched". The $400 price tag was a bit much though.

I will probably not be getting the PS3 unless they come out with some great games and bring the price down to at least half what they are asking. I have yet to see any games for it that I would want. Even with their super high definition double-sided dual-layer blue ray diska-mabobber, $600-900...? c'mon

Wii.. hmm, I'll have to see what new games they have. I have a gamecube & N64 and an SNES emulator for the older ones. New Mario and Zelda games would be the main selling point for me, plus the price peaks my interest.

Wii.

I bought my 360 earlier this year and I also love it. Except for the fact that my first one died somehow(which warranty replaced after some hassles) I have had no other troubles. What I like is the systemlink feature. We (me and my mates at work) spend about 14 hours a day locked in a sound stage and for lunch we go into our gaming room and play Halo2. Everybody brings there own rig (so there's 3 xbox's and 2 xbox 360's, two LCD projectors, a tv(mine) and one guy who built a really cool travel case with a 19 inch lcd and has it all rigged up to plug and play so to speak.

Supposedly Gears of war will have system link and then theres Halo3(which I think will be out before the 22nd century). Also, in answer to PS3's blue ray, I believe Microsoft will have a High Def DVD player available as an add on for around $200 by christmas.

Here's a new trailer for Super Smash Brothers.

It's worth watching just to see Solid Snake in there...

Also, is this not the creepiest console ad you've ever seen?

PS3 Baby Ad

Awesome ad.

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I saw that ad on tv. I don't understand how that would sell a console.

Orph: that'll be $200.

Atm: saying "I'll wait for the winner" doesn't make sense, I know I've said this before, but what classifies? Who will be supported longer? Who sells more? It's a rather ambiguous question.

You're still burned by Sega, which is understandable, but, then again, some of the greatest games are on the two Sega systems you bought that "died".

As a side note: I think it's a shame, specifically, that the DreamCast died. As far as hardware goes, the PS2 is only slightly more powerful. It's a real shame.

So, I don't know?

As for selling pre-orders: you missed the boat. Everyone who's making pre-orders on either system is sold out, as of right now, worldwide. You'd have to wait for some stores to say "yes we're pre-ordering" and get one quick, or go into the stores that aren't pre-ordering on launch day ... at midnight. Most places are opening at 12:01AM to sell these damn things

Now, here's the other thing. The only console that will be in short supply is the PS3. The Wii's launch shipment may sell out quickly ... but they're shipping like a million more in less than two weeks.

People are selling these things on eBay for ridiculous amounts. Specifically talking about Wii here: if some guy puts buys a wii pre-order slip for say ... $610 (USD) ... then that means that guy bought himself a Wii ... but he also bought the seller a Wii, another controller, another nunchuck, and a game. He might have to shell out like $10 or something. As tempting as that sounds: it's ridiculous.

Also, be aware that eBay is cracking down on pre-order auctions. If you follow the new guidelines, there's no problem, of course.

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Crono said:
I don't understand how that would sell a console.

The only reason I watched this ad was because a teammate described it in the lockerroom after swim practice this morning and I just had to see what he was talking about. So in that sense, the creepiness is spreading it by word of mouth. Even though there's nothing inherent in the ad to make you want to buy the console, just reaching all these people must help. Also, does it piss off anyone else that the lettering on the console looks like the font from the Spiderman movies?

Crono said:
saying "I'll wait for the winner" doesn't make sense, I know I've said this before, but what classifies? Who will be supported longer? Who sells more? It's a rather ambiguous question.

You're still burned by Sega, which is understandable, but, then again, some of the greatest games are on the two Sega systems you bought that "died".

While it's true that the DC and the Saturn had some great games, both times I felt like the console "died" before its time. With the DC, I remember reading EGM and seeing the DC future titles lists dwindling to nothing while the PS2 kept going strong. It was disheartening. While I liked the games I had, I felt robbed when new titles stopped coming out so soon after. I mean, think about games like "Shadow of the Colossus" that came out looong after PS2's launch. I felt like I was robbed of the potential to experiencing games like that when the DC went under.

I bought the DC on launchday, 9/9/99, and I think if I had waited a year I might have made a different choice. That's kind of what I'm thinking now. In a year, I'll reasses how the 360, PS3, and Wii are doing, based on strength of their game catalogues, the titles on the horizon, the cost, and the reviews and feedback I get from the people on this site :smile:

Sega always made poor choices when it came to hardware and pricing though. Not that their consoles weren't fantastic, but they made so many mistakes with the Saturn that, I really think, that's what put the final nail in the coffin.
Even getting a year head start on the PS2 with the Dreamcast didn't help it much. Well, many of the fantastic Dreamcast games are available on the current consoles (But can still be found for DC, if you look in the right places).

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Me said:
Also, does it piss off anyone else that the lettering on the console looks like the font from the Spiderman movies?

Some visual aids:

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<div class="quotetext">As for selling pre-orders: you missed the boat. Everyone who's making pre-orders on either system is sold out, as of right now, worldwide. You'd have to wait for some stores to say "yes we're pre-ordering" and get one quick, or go into the stores that aren't pre-ordering on launch day ... at midnight. Most places are opening at 12:01AM to sell these damn things

Now, here's the other thing. The only console that will be in short supply is the PS3. The Wii's launch shipment may sell out quickly ... but they're shipping like a million more in less than two weeks.

People are selling these things on eBay for ridiculous amounts. Specifically talking about Wii here: if some guy puts buys a wii pre-order slip for say ... $610 (USD) ... then that means that guy bought himself a Wii ... but he also bought the seller a Wii, another controller, another nunchuck, and a game. He might have to shell out like $10 or something. As tempting as that sounds: it's ridiculous.

Also, be aware that eBay is cracking down on pre-order auctions. If you follow the new guidelines, there's no problem, of course.</DIV></DIV>
I see, too bad. :sad: Suppose I should've been a bit quicker. I e-mailed a few shops here in Sweden that will be selling the PS3 and asked if I would be able to get my hands on the first machines if I order through them. I suppose I could try to buy a couple at a shop not taking preorders on the release date as you suggested.

Does anyone have any idea what you'd be able to sell a unit for? I read an estimate someplace of 1.5-2.5 times the original price. How did it go for people selling preorders of the 360?

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The fonts do look kind of similar. Perhaps they could've come up with something a bit more innovative for the PS3. And what happened to the banana controller? Sure it was ugly, but at least it looked a bit different from the PS2 controller. Kind of boring that it looks the same.

sdf

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I seem to remember a snarkpitter like windows98 doing something like that.

i'd buy.. none.
consoles and games are too expensive.

but i have a NES and a PS1!

Addicted to Morphine said:
I seem to remember a snarkpitter like windows98 doing something like that.

Yeah, now that you mention it, I think he did. Haven't seen him around in a while, but then I've barely been around either. Where is he when you really need him. :razz:

And I agree with you asterix, games are very expensive. For some reason console games always seem to have a higher price tag than computer games...

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Most retailers only allow 1 per customer thing around here.

The PS3 font IS the Spider-Man Movie font. After all, who has the production rights to the Spider-Man film franchise? Sony, that's who.

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Well, I think it looks ugly on the console.

They should have just invented an original font, or at least used a more obscure one.

It is ugly. Just like the console it self. That's something that gets me, why do so many people think it looks "hot", "slick", and other various slang terminologies? It looks terrible. Not as craptacular looking as the PS2, though, I guess.

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I'm probably getting neither. I haven't updated my console library since the PS2, and with the addition of how console systems go out of date on a yearly basis, I'll stick with my computer.

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How come you think that? Selling them for a higher price when the supply is low is hardly scamming.

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I still feel it's a horrible thing to do. I feel that they shouldn't
have to pay you a rip off price when you don't even want to use it.

I won't get any console but if I did it would be a Wii.

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Really... Got lots of economics degrees do'ya Master Slothe?

In theory, I agree with you whole heartedly. AND I admit that I haven't been following this thread so I am not sure what you are commenting about other than the shortness of a console vs. its pricing.

I am however telling you that if the limitations are artificially produced, then the extra cost is also artificially higher.

Take fuel costs. The price goes up in preparation for a future possible storm? WTF is that s**t? Who builds facilities repeatedly in a storm ridden region of the gulf? Personally, if my work site was blown down a few times I'd be hesitant to rebuild.

In reverse. The elections are imminent and suddenly the prices drop.. scratches noggin
If these asswipes have no influence as they have claimed ever since this damned war started then how is it that when it makes them look good for an election that they can drive the prices so drastically downward?

The biofuels are coming but they haven't arrived in force yet. We have corn out the ass, but its not even close to our tanks.

Anywho's, price and demand are not exclusive to honesty.

[edit] Lemme give you another example. The price of a bottle of soda went up drastically since the war/fuel shortage.

The reason given was the higher price of shipping.

Bottles around here went from an average of .75 cents to .99 cents to over 1.50 a bottle over the last few years.

Lest assume that the price of fuel doubled.. Which it has!

the truck can ship a few dozen thousand bottles to each store I suppose. The cost from facility to market would be doubled but how much is that really? The shipping cost, even if it were shipped from another state couldn't be much more than 1,000 bucks. (SHIPPING COST FOR FUEL!)

Divide each bottle would come to pennies... Yet the cost of each bottle went up on average .50 cents.

Did the price of fuel really influence the cost? More likely it was basic greed.

This is but an example of the situation as a whole. If you haven't noticed yet, the prices at Burger King went up last week.. Each menu item went up an average of 1.00. :rolleyes:

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$loth said:
How come you think that? Selling them for a higher price when the supply is low is hardly scamming.

I still feel it's a horrible thing to do. I feel that they shouldn't have to pay you a rip off price when you don't even want to use it.

If it had been food or water or some other necessity I would agree, but a PS3 is hardly something you can't wait for a few more months.

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<DIV class=quotetext>How come you think that? Selling them for a higher price when the supply is low is hardly scamming.

Really... Got lots of economics degrees do'ya Master Slothe?

In theory, I agree with you whole heartedly. AND I admit that I haven't been following this thread so I am not sure what you are commenting about other than the shortness of a console vs. its pricing.
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I think he meant to quote what I wrote in my second post, but he must have forgotten the quote brackets. It was a respons to one of his posts, that's why it seems a bit out of context.

I think I understand your point about artificial supply limitations. Does anyone know what the case is when it comes to consoles? Are they producing as many machines as possible or making fewer than demanded deliberately?

To be honest, it doesn't really matter to me if the low supply is artificial or not. I only see it as an opportunity to make money. :smile:

That soda bottle example was pretty interesting. I just started studying business administration, and about a week ago we started scraping the surface of the principles of supply and demand. Always nice trying to apply what you've read on real life senarios instead of exercises in a book. :smile:

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Got a 360 when it came out, played Oblivion to death and now it just kinda sits there....

Wii looks sick, and if I have some money lying around I'll buy it for sure.

I'm still playing a lot of Oblivion on my 360, but then I got into that game fairly late :smile: I adore my 360 and play a bit pretty much every day, and though a lot of people do feel there aren't all that many s**t-hot games, I don't have as much gaming time as I used to now so there are more than enough great titles to keep me occupied.

I'm the type who's gonna buy all of the consoles regardless of how good/bad/indifferent they are. There is always at least a handful of games across the lifespan of a system that I'm gonna want to play, so I find it pretty hard to resist. The last generation consoles were the first ones I did the "get them all" thing with, and though the Xbox was my general purpose gaming machine, I couldn't have done without the likes of Ico, Shadow of the Colossus and Project Zero 3 on the PS2, Shenmue, Jet Set Radio and MSR on the Dreamcast, or RE4, MK:Double Dash, and... well thats about it actually on the Gamecube :biggrin: I haven't put down a pre-order for the Wii so I won't be getting that at release, but maybe early next year I'll grab one. The PS3 will probably take a bit of saving, so it will most likely to the middle of next year before I get one. That said, as the launch titles aren't really blowing me away for either of those two systems I don't mind holding off a bit. Too many 360 games on my wishlist to handle this Christmas as it is, and my bank balance isn't currently healthy enough to fund them all!

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Im getting neither. Ive never had a console, and dont really plan on getting one. :smile:

I find my good ol' lagamatic PC good enough for my gaming needs. :biggrin:

If I can get together $400+(AUD) (400 for the console, + for game(s), accessories). I will be getting a Wii, most likely not on launch day, early next year perhaps.

(donations would be most appreciated! :razz: )

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It's a shame the console has too maby hughe limitations to suit the needs for me. And that is a shame, because i now do a lot of stuff with my FS PC, wich wouldnt be required if it would run on a normal console. Neither does it support modern day NAV equipment and a whole lot of controllers or addon software, wich also is a big con.

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Disney is setting up a game studio to publish movie related games for the DS and the Wii.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/technology/08disney.html

My first love will always be PC, but there are advantages to consoles.
Both have pros and cons, I prefer taking the best of both worlds and
accepting the limitations and advantages of both.

Consoles> no patches, no installing, simply put the game in and go.
The games are made for the system, so no worries about your system
being "up to spec". Alot of games are made for a console controller, I would have a hard time trying to play GTA or FF games on the PC.

PCs> FPS games are simply better played with mouse and keyboard (with exceptions), I think I would have a hard time playing CS:S or hl2dm on a console. You have the ability to modify and add content to you PC games, I can't make maps or custom content for the console games, or download user mods.

I honestly couldnt take being without either. Of course, the PC has alot more uses, but the gaming quality has more to do with your specs.