Ipod vs. Zune

You know...that kinda looks like a suitcase.

Wow Jinx, what a shortsighted and ignorant post.

Maybe you'd like to explain why you disagree with me instead of just trolling? Or is it easier to puke up a one-line insult than have an actual discussion?

I'm not Microsoft fanboy, but I'm tired of defending the PC as a platform every time I meet some Mac 'fan'. Believe it or not, they aren't just on Penny Arcade. Hell, I even know a guy who wears a shirt with an Apple logo on it. If I walked around with a MS t-shirt, you'd probably call me nuts, wouldn't you?

I guess what I'm saying is, that post didn't come from me arbitrarily deciding to attack Mac enthusiasts. It came from having to put up with some very obnoxious Mac enthusiasts in the past.

And there is a sort of strange following of Mac/Apple stuff. There's even a book written about it (despite the title, it's actually more for Mac fans themselves):
http://www.amazon.com/Cult-Mac-Leander-Kahney/dp/1886411832

From the book's back cover:
"The Macintosh is more than a computer. It's a way of life.... This book is about what it is to be a Macintosh person. It gives insight into the greatest love and loyalties of any product of our era."
-Steve Wozniak, Apple Co-founder

As you can see, it's not ME labeling them as 'mac people', it's a self-identification.

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I agree with Jinx (and probably others who wrote too much text so I couldn't get myself to read it).

I want to defend myself as a graphic designer using Macs: It's not like we have a choice. The Apple standard somehow slipped into the whole graphic design community long time ago, probably when Apple was ahead of Microsoft, mainly for setting color standards and having certain graphics technology you wouldn't find on an average MS PC.

Today this is not true anymore, but many got used to Macs to a point where doing the step "back" to Microsoft is really hard. Most of us are not technicians. We hate everything that's in the way, and if it's just installing alternate drivers or dealing with non-standardized interfaces. It costs time. It's tedious. Especially with all the complicated graphics programs. Imagine Hammer crashing on you and you need to sell that map tomorrow to pay your rent.

So now we have many old fonts we need (fonts cost money, really) as Mac-only formats. Many Photoshop versions as Mac-only versions (you can only buy either Mac or MS programs from Adobe). And many printing facilities do not support certain Microsoft formats anyway. Format wars are getting better (for example Windows compatible Macbooks ect.). But it's still painful to work with MS programs in the graphic design branche because it's dominated by (ahem... older...) colleagues who won't change their computers to non-Mac standards because this would mean a HUGE switch.

It's not just the (admittedly more stylish) design. It's a relic of older times when functionality was better and graphic designers were discovered as a new target group by Apple (while being ignored by Microsoft).

Not even I can escape this trend. Yet.

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Why snark works.

You guys do know that Apple makes almost nothing from OSX, right? All the money comes from hardware sales.

If you want the flat out truth, as far as hardware goes, Apple makes it phenomenally better than the "classic" Intel architecture that everyone uses. There are many advantages.

The only thing x86 has over it is its age and wide implementation. For some reason people want to put that into a "OSX vs. Windows" debate, which is equally as ignorant.

Execs talking about "being a Macintosh person" and things like that is just a marketing strategy. It's the same as the Microsoft "where do you want to go today" garbage, which is completely counter intuitive, because the operating system has immense amounts of problems, especially when it comes to networking with, even, other Window machines! Don't even try to make it see other machines running different platforms.

I would buy mac products if they weren't ungodly expensive, because the hardware is great. OSX also integrates a rather current operating system solution that can play most games that are out (especially popular ones) but you can also run Unix programs and work in that environment as well. For someone like me, that's very nice and it doesn't have the hassle of installing linux and configuring everything and then compiling cedaga to get DX emulation and all this other stuff.

Anyway, my point is, it isn't as cut and dry as people make it out. And, to note, you can upgrade the G series macs. They are conforming more to slot standards that exist on other architectures more and more so you can use their machine, but upgrade specific parts like the GPU (as far as I know). I don't like iMac, however. It's just silly that you'd put no upgrade-ability in your machine for most users. But, for people who still don't understand what a mouse does exactly and yet they have to use a computer for whatever reason, it's a perfect solution. OSX also hides the "more complex" interfaces like the Unix command line from these users.

How is that bad, exactly? How does that even mean there needs to be people saying they hate it? I mean, at least OSX generally works!

Oh, and Jinx, you can find torrent of the x86 version of OSX. But, don't count on apple actually putting one out ... ever.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Bootcamp is your friend.

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Reaper: yeah, I know the situation you are in, my sister is there, too. And for her other uses- email etc.- it hardly matters which platform she uses.

A lot of it, from a practical standpoint, is what you plan to use the system FOR. If you are a professional graphic designer Macs are a bit better and so ubiquitous that you have little choice. If you are interested in game design, or enjoy building your own systems, Macs aren't even an option. I point this obvious logic out to Mac addicts and they can't seem to get it through their head that a Mac simply won't let me do what I want to do.

One other note: "PC" doesn't just mean Windows. I'm sure there are some Linux enthusiasts out there who would snub their noses at OSX or Windows.

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If you are interested in game design, or enjoy building your own systems, Macs aren't even an option.

a) How is Mac not an option if you like game design?
b) If you want to spend thousands on a computer just because you like building it yourself, try model airplanes.

You speak a lot about 'Mac addicts' and other bulls**t. You just seem very bitter about Mac. Maybe Steve Jobs called you a douche a couple years ago, but your blind hatred towards them is equally retarded as those who blindly love them.

Yes, their hardware is overpriced, and yes they've made bad moves in the past and present, but so has everyone else. At best you hate them because they're trendy, which makes you a little emo punk. Go cut yourself, you whiny little c**t.

French Toast, are you "a Mac"?

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Why snark works.

I tried out that Xplay thingie for managing files...didn't go so well.

I moved one album to my ipod, now NOTHING except that album shows up on the ipod, itunes or anywhere else, it still says i've used the disk space though...so now i have an almost full ipod with 10 songs.

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Boo f**king Hoo

hrm. Sounds like the first time I used iTunes...

Use the synchronization function. Make a folder on you harddisk that contains all the MP3's you like (well, the folder you already have should do it, no duplication needed) and tell it to synchronize your iPod with this folder. Then the content of your iPod MP3s and that in the folder are identical. Remove or add files to the folder on your HD as you like and re-synchronize to update your collection.

Works well.

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Why snark works.

I'm on a graphic design course and I use eMacs and Mac minis at college everyday I'm working on my final design.

I do like the OS mainly cos it isn't windows and its built off Unix. One thing I dont like about it is when I forget to eject my memory key and it decides to wipe or corupt the files I was working on where as on windows I can just pull it out and its fine.

You can kinda run OSX on a pc aslong as the prosseor supports SSE3 i think it is.

I preffer a PC over a Mac because of the customizability so I can have what I want in it not what someone else thinks I should have, also I can upgrade it to have a better gpu or hard drive with out voiding any warenty.

I can see the appeal for the designer to use a mac over a pc because of apples long reputation with design studios and basically they are the standard in a design studio.

As for the original question about IPod or Zune I'd go for neither I'd rarther have a Zen. I wouldnt go for the Ipod mainly in the previous generations because of there battry life, limit on how many times it ican be recharged and the amount they carged you to get the battery replaced. Now they have apparently addressed the Battery life its manly the price ITunes thats the big thing with me (I dont like that program). I dont like how the Zune aparently wrappes all music in DRM also the price will be a big issue. As for the Zen the only reason I dont have one of those is the price.

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