Human Nature

Human Nature

Re: Human Nature Posted by wil5on on Fri Jul 14th 2006 at 1:29am
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In most practical cases, once can assume gravity is a constant 9.8m/s. But if we dont consider exceptions to this, we lose a great deal of understanding.

I've heard multiple cases on the news in which a pedophile breaks into a house at night in order to rape a little girl. If this happened in your neighborhood, is it the fault of the parents, or the little girl, that she was raped?

I feel that the concept of blame cannot be generalised in this way.
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Re: Human Nature Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jul 14th 2006 at 1:30am
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DrGlass said:
If they never paid for the house and lived in it, they wouldn't have that problem.
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Re: Human Nature Posted by Cassius on Fri Jul 14th 2006 at 6:42am
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I'm going to take this moment to give a maternal ah, ah, ah and a scolding wave of my index finger. I'm not a moderator, but I'd like to see the thread free of personal attack. By all means, disagree with each other, but I urge you to do so civilly.
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Re: Human Nature Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Jul 14th 2006 at 7:35am
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<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Orpheus</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>The lion, as far as I have been told, doesn't rape the antelope.</DIV></DIV>

I just peed my pants...

I think that the choices that the victims have made bring them to the point where the criminal can victimise them, but it's pure chance that brought them there, whether they be bad decisions or good.

The phrase "It's their fault." means that some character, mental, or other flaw (or fault) of the victim led to thier victimisation. So I really don't think that it's the victim's "fault" that they were there.

Fault (culpability) and involvement are different things and are proportional to eachother. Fault means that the event in question happened in whole or in part because of you. Your level of involvement in the event, in light of the visible-and-forseeable circumstances of the event determines your culpability. I'll explain:

If a girl goes to a normally-safe public park on her lunch break and sits down at a picnic table in plain sight of everyone and eats her lunch, and then some rapist comes along and rapes her, her involvement was minimal. She was only involved in the event because she happened to be there when the rapist "got the itch" as it were. She made no bad decisions in going to a park where it was normally safe and in a good neighborhood, going in the middle of the day, and staying in sight of other people, assuming that the other people were just famiies of people out at the park. (safety in numbers and all that.)

Now, had that same girl gone at night out to downtown St. Louis to some housing project, then sat down on a bench and started reading Catcher in the Rye, her involvement in the circumstances would have been much higher, and her culpabiity in the event would have been much higher.
As for human nature, I think that different people or peoples have different natures. For instance: Many people in Afrika have most things in thier lives and societies based on food and the gathering thereof, whereas in America, Most of our society has to do with social trends, acceptance and the gathering of material things.

My brother is stressed out about what piercing/tattoo to get next. and Mkembe in Ethiopia does not know whether he will eat much this week.
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Re: Human Nature Posted by DrGlass on Fri Jul 14th 2006 at 1:39pm
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Now, had that same girl gone at night out to downtown St. Louis to some housing project, then sat down on a bench and started reading Catcher in the Rye, her involvement in the circumstances would have been much higher, and her culpabiity in the event would have been much higher.
My brother is stressed out about what piercing/tattoo to get next. and Mkembe in Ethiopia does not know whether he will eat much this week.
The point I was trying to get across is that it is in human nature to blame outside forces for the events in their life. Rape isn't the best example, think about football. The winning team always says "god really helped us out there" but the losers never say "god just wasn't on our side this time." Humans displace blame (possibly not the right word) in positive and negative ways. Sure there are many examples where something happens that is outside of anyones controle, but my over all point is like a chess game. If you lose your queen it is because of every move made up to that point.
As for Your brother and Mkembe, they are both trying to find fufilment. The nouns may change but its all basicaly the same. This links right back to my main idea that we all work to fulfill our own needs.