The Gauss suicide's

I have been wondering alot , about why the gauss sometimes gets you killed when shooting yourself up in the air with it , it seems to me that it only happens when trying to tau jump from certian surfaces.

Like when gauss jumping from a surface wich is complex and has alot of faces , for example an ground made out of traingle's to create the rough outside rocky look.

What do you all think anyone knows alot about this problemo ?

Frissi said:
I have been wondering alot , about why the gauss sometimes gets you killed when shooting yourself up in the air with it , it seems to me that it only happens when trying to tau jump from certian surfaces.

Like when gauss jumping from a surface wich is complex and has alot of faces , for example an ground made out of traingle's to create the rough outside rocky look.

What do you all think anyone knows alot about this problemo ?

i heard once, that if you shoot a func at close range it will kill, but i never tested it.. i don't like the guass, and seldom use one.. except, to jump with :smile:

It's basically a maths error in the algorithm used to calculate how the gauss beam reflects.  This bug is fixed in the Weapons Patch mod. that I use; I can post the source code if you like.

I thought it was that fact that the Laser richocheted off the ground and smited your ass

He just said that, but in a complex way which you wouldn't understand :razz:

HAHA , great now i know :smile:

Please post a link to the weapons patch :wink:

the weapons patch is a mod specific patch, i don;t think it will help you for normal HL.. but gollum is the guy who will set you straight.. ask him :smile:

Myrk- said:
He just said that, but in a complex way which you wouldn't understand :razz:

I sometimes forget how to breathe, i am t3h l337 idiot!

 

weeee.

Yes i know\\knew that orpheus, thanks tho, im just interested in checkin out the mod for my entertainment :wink:

This little glitch has been a thorn in my side, since day 1 of mapping.  Most of my maps, see alot of tau action, and these reflections can become very frustrating.  Here's my theory on why it happens.

The Gauss shoots through walls with varying degrees of penetration; therefore, it must calculate the thickness of a wall, and the amount of penetration each shot makes.  Reflection occurs when the Gauss hits a brush that cannot be penetrated.  It seems the energy is not absorbed by the brush, but rather spit directly back at the player.  A simple test map in Worldcraft:  make about 5 walls of varying thickness ( the extreme being 200+units), and see at what thickness the gauss begins to reflect.

Reflection can also occur with brushes that arent very thick, if the Gauss shot is a very weak one.  Basically, the shot was too weak to penetrate the wall, resulting in reflection.

There is one condition where the wall thickness doesn't matter:  If the opposite side of the brush faces the void.  For example, brushes that compose the exterior wall of your map.  A brush that ends at the void, wont  be calculated the same, as the outer faces aren't rendered or drawn.

Therefore, avoid tau reflection, by keeping your brushes fairly thin (128 or under should be ok), or making sure that the outer face of the brush ends at the void.

*even with these principles in practice, some reflection may still occurr.  Remember, it is an 'unstable experimental weapon'. :dorky:

ive found that if the players on  angle of about 179 to about 130 degrees to the wall/brush/etc the gauss will reflect off any texture. at these angles it will reflect off almost any solid brush, i think at any thickness.

the player standing perpendicular that is facing straight at the brush is another matter entirely. methinks thats where Finger comes in....

 

 

whispers........above this post

Finger said:
*even with these principles in practice, some reflection may still occurr.  Remember, it is an 'unstable experimental weapon'. :dorky:

As Barney and Co. (TM) found out to their misfortune in the original Half-Life...

Weapons Patch v2 (download)

More information

If I release a modified version, it will be a ZIP.  For now there's only the EXE file.

Relevant code snippet from WP source:

 if ( pEntity->ReflectGauss() )   [color=white]<--This "if clause" has to be counted as "true" for the reflect routine to be called
  {
   float n;[/color]

   pentIgnore = NULL;

   n = -DotProduct(tr.vecPlaneNormal, vecDir);

//SKULL
   if ((n < 0.5) && !fHasPunched) // 60 degrees  [color=white]<--This is the extra bit that stops silly reflections
//END[/color]

At least, I think that's right.  shrugs