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                        Posted by Orpheus on 
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                        sue the parents, of the children wearing those T-Shirts, and the company producing them.. that will cover court costs..
i'm telling you guys, my feelings are, he is misguided, but innocent none the less... this world is out to make a buck, and people like jackson are prime targets..
if elvis was still alive, he would be in court too, i bet he faked his own death to keep from a court appearance such as this... maybe jackson should follow his lead :biggrin:
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
                        Posted by Leperous on 
    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 9:03pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        Innocent until proven guilty. He's got more than enough in assets to sort himself out anyway...
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
                        Posted by Orpheus on 
    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 9:11pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        i have been wrong before, but seldom completely wrong, and my feelings about jackson are innocent of all charges.
he is weird, thats all.. no more weird than any other really weird person, he just happens to have a lot of bucks too.
he just made some really poor choices is all..
i am about to have a new grand daughter (according to the sonograms) any week now, my biggest fear is her femaleness, i am not ready to face a world, who assumes that everyone who shows a lot of attention to children, especially girls are weirdos.. it is definitely putting a dampener on my jubilation over a new grand child :sad:
this world, is very swift to accuse, and even if proven innocent, the stigma will follow someone around forever more.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
                        Posted by Wild Card on 
    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 9:20pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
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                        I thought the US had it "guilty until proven inocent" stance.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
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    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 9:26pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
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                        I wasent joking.  I mean here in Canada, if you cant prove the guy is guilty, he walks free.  But I was under the impression that an less said is prooved innocent, his ass gets tossed in jail.
Im saying cause I always hear about/read about ppl in America being released from prison because the courts were hasty in their decision/lack of evidence/now they found the real culprit.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
                        Posted by Orpheus on 
    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 9:29pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        well, people are released every day guilty as hell too, what about those?
we are descending into zones of discord bud.. americas judicial system is faulty.. i have no workable answers to fix it, but, i know how i would work it if given oppertunity.
but.. thats an opinion shared by few, so i will keep it for now.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
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    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 9:32pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
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                        well there is no such thing as a perfect system, but I didnt say its a bad one either.  I rather like it.. I think, lol.  I love watching the Exibit A: Secrets of forensic sience shows.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
                        Posted by Orpheus on 
    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 9:36pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        what burns my ass, is people who incite hostilities.. there is no good reason for that child to wear a shirt like that, it only continues the bad feelings present.
people who blatantly display their feelings this way, should be barred from the court at least.
the shirt itself, if worn another time and place, would be funny as hell, but its inappropriate at the time it was displayed.. it would be akin to baby parts shown at a pro choice hearing.
bad taste all the way around.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
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    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 9:40pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
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                        To be honest, looks more like they paid some artist to draw the picture and make people believe.  Cause if thats a picture...
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
                        Posted by scary_jeff on 
    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 10:30pm
                     
                    
                        
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                        What you are talking about is the price we pay for having a judicial system. If you assume people are guilty, and they have to prove their innocence, you end up locking up a bunch of innocent people. If you assume people are innocent, then a bunch of guilty people don't get punished. As ever, there is no perfect system.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
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    Thu Feb 12th 2004 at 11:33pm
                     
                    
                        
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                        Not really Jeff, it depends on your meaning of 'proven' and how strict/certain that has to be!
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
                        Posted by ReNo on 
    Fri Feb 13th 2004 at 10:36am
                     
                    
                        
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                        Most people I've heard voice opinions on this also think he is innocent, albeit incredibly wierd. The way he presents himself and speaks does him no favours in the eyes of the easily convinced.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Jack-o's goin DOWN!
                        Posted by Juim on 
    Fri Feb 13th 2004 at 2:21pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        I tend to agree with Orph about Jackson. Yah he's fruity, but look at his reality. His god complex is fostered by the hundreds(thousands?) of people who  constantly pander to his every whim, all for a little  piece of his pie. It's been that way since he was like 8 years old.The bottom line is that one child with a detailed story told to a therapist should not be enough to hang a guy. Wheres the proof? I'm not hearing about any smoking guns being turned up in all the searches being conducted at his homes. By the way, I was just reading about a homeless guy who spent 8 months in jail because three 11 year old girls made up a story about being molested in a park. Supposedly they were in trouble for being late and made up the story.Heres the problem. Since child abuse is so terrible and an unfortunate reality, the courts are going to overlook due process and probably fry this guy simply because some kid tells a story.It's a shame really ,but until a better system is developed and a more accurate means of guidelining the burden of proof process becomes apparent, some people are going to get unjustly accused of this sort of thing. Jacksons not the last or only, not by far, just the most public of these figures. Lastly, let us all not forget the frustrated public servants who are all hoping to hang there hat on the infamy of this situation. True or not, most of these under-achievers are going to jump at the chance to become public figures in their own right, whatever the ultimate cost is to Michael Jackson.