Mario Kart 64

I don't think I've shown you guys these yet, but I once found myself with some extra time at a LAN party and proceeded to map the battle levels from Mario Kart 64.  I probably should redo them now that I know a bit more about visblocking and all that, and if I find the time I will, but you can check out my early work here.  (note: maps degenerate into egon fest rather quickly, since I didn't understand "weapon placement" at the time)

I think those Mario Kart arenas have been done more times than fy_iceworld. Might be more suited to something like HL Bumper Cars than DM though :smile:

Really?  I've never seen these levels before anywhere...

I've never come across a Mario Kart port.  I'm afraid it doesn't look like it'll work very well to me, as they seem rather killboxy.

The eyesssses! They hurtssss

Looks like they'd be fun maps to play, Hornpipe.

I've made a Mario_Kart map too:
http://docrocksmaps.homestead.com/files/mario_kart.zip



Also a Mario_Land map:
http://docrocksmaps.homestead.com/files/mario_land.zip


and a Mario_Air map:
http://docrocksmaps.homestead.com/files/Mario_Air.zip


and a Mario_Killbox map:
http://docrocksmaps.homestead.com/files/Mario_Killbox.zip


and two others:  Mario_Madness and Mario_Xmas. (I'll post shots a little later) Mario is a fun theme to make maps of.  People enjoy them too. Especially the younger players.  :smile:   I've made all these Mario maps for my son (who is 8 and loves Mario) and daughter (she's 7)...and we have a blast with em.

Cool to see there are other mappers out there who like making Mario maps too  :smile:

 

Gollum said:
I've never come across a Mario Kart port.  I'm afraid it doesn't look like it'll work very well to me, as they seem rather killboxy.

Yeah, it does tend to involve a lot of the spawn-die-spawn-die pattern present in Killbox.  Block Fort probably has the largest longevity, since at least you can take cover there.

Gollum said:
The eyesssses! They hurtssss

...?

Hornpipe2 said:
 

Gollum said:
The eyesssses! They hurtssss

...?

these types of maps are extremely frowned upon here, not to hurt your feelings, but don't expect much enthusiasm from anyone of.... shall we say, reputable experience..

none of us, will try to discourage you from making these style of maps, but do NOT take offense if we don't look upon them favorably..

stand back, pay attention to whom actually responds to them, and base your decision on that..

sorry if that sounds harsh, but its the general consensus around here.. very few even consider them maps at all..

/ 2 cents

I dont particuarly like them but if you have good fun with your m8s on it, Thats all that matters. Obviously its nice to make a really detailed map aswell as small fun ones, I made a small fun map for cs & ive had lots of fun on it, Ive also got my 1st detailed or proper map going along for the snarkpit competition.

Do whatever pleases you tbh, Some fun maps & most detailed maps please me, So I do both.

Do whatever pleases you tbh, Some fun maps & most detailed maps please me, So I do both.

I agree whole heartedly with that statement, Korn. :smile:

Good luck Hornpipe.  Nice job on the maps, too, and keep up the good work.

Don't let the people here who hate killbox maps deter you from making them.  If you and your pals enjoy playing them, then make more.  Afterall, it's just a hobby, and you shouldn't let others (who think they are God's gift to Hammer or SnarkPit most post makers) tell you what type of map to or not to make.

Please yourself, Hornpipe.  It's time you spend doing something you enjoy. 

Now, pay attention to the people who bash me for saying this, and avoid them at all costs.  You'll be better off in the long run, believe me.  There are some real losers here.

 

the truly sad part is, almost nothing doc said was relevant to anything, except... doc :sad:

the true gods of hammer around here, don't even acknowledge him, in any way at all..

as i said, no one will discourage you from making them, this is 100% true.. also its 100% true, that you should not be mad that WE THE VOCAL FEW will never consider them to be anything of value at all..

the only bashing of anyone here at snarkpit that ever occurs is those whom deserve it whole heartedly, in fact it rarely happens at all, save a very few whom genuinely deserve it.. case in point.. read this thread very slowly and look who, took offense OR BETTER YET , was offensive 1st.. this thread could have went on all day and gotten no worse than it was PRIOR to that post..

anyways, some are in doubt as to how much the snarkpit actually influences the Half-Life community.. we (YES i consider myself a VERY major part of this site) are an influence to be reckoned with.. and even tho we are indeed open minded about maps, we are also quite certain WHICH we think holds any value.. it doesn't really matter that there are a dozen potential sites whom may feel differently, but right here, is all that counts... anyways.. if bashing is what this is.. SO BE IT.. my laurels as most post counts ( why is it the really worthless members always use this against me?? ) member dictates, my opinions are mine, whether they are shared with anyone else or not, i am within my rights as a member to post them as opinions, without having to answer for them by those whom cannot see themselves for what they are...

as one of the most influential LOSERS here.. i am proud of the distinction.. i just wish i was one of those hammer gods as well :sad:

Er, hardly

I don't particularly care what anyone thinks of these maps.  I'm well aware that their artistic quality is... er... lacking.  I also know that the gameplay these maps condone is not always in the spirit of HLDM, nor is it the most enjoyable way to play multiplayer Half-life.  I dislike Killboxesque architecture and layout as much as the next SnarkPit mapper (see signature), but sometimes one just has to sit down at Hammer and say "You know what might be halfway enjoyable?  xxx map from xxx game."

But it's important to note that I never asked for your praise.  I didn't take offense to anything that was said about them.  I merely posted some screenshots with a bit of history as a preface.  I don't consider a single post containing "...?" as "taking offense".

So why did I post these at all?  For one thing, I had seen a couple of DocRock's Mario maps and thought I could add a little myself.  Since the maps were already a year or two since finished, it was as simple as loading them up and taking a few screenshots.  For another, it's a break from the norm.  While everyone now concentrates on making excellent "realistic" maps for the SnarkPit mapping competition, I thought I would contribute as well - a "port" of maps from one of the most cartoony games made for the Nintendo 64.  I never expected the maps to "have value" or "lasting impact" or "solve world hunger".

In other words, thanks for all your comments, both positive and negative.  I'm not offended, I'm not angry, most of all, I'm not discouraged.  I enjoyed making these maps as much as anything else I've done, even if I never play them.  To me, Hammer is as much a toy as it is a tool, and by God, I'll play with it all I like.

I think time spent commenting should be proportional to the time spent making the map. That's all I ca-

^^ /me points up^^ [EDIT] dangit cash snuck in a responce my post is directed ar hornman

man do i like how you respond..

its so tedious when the less confident among us try to turn a topic down so destructive a path..

i stand by my words 100%, i meant no offense, and am really glad you didn't perceive them in any other way than i meant them..

there was no "hidden" agenda.. and i respect the right to make any type of map one wishes... i just am not to keen on people who tell me they are something they obviously are not..

anyways.. some feel my works just as unworthy, its just a damned good thing that they are out numbered by those they feel differently..

kornflakes, one of the best all around members at snarkpit, recently made/released a map i felt almost dirty for even loading on my PC, but the bottom line was, i accepted it as HIS, and he accepted that I found it offensive.. there is a lesson here guys.. i suggest YOU LEARN FROM IT!!

yus, I mean you can never please everyone, Orph wasnt keen on it but monqui & other people who dont use snarkpit had some good fun on it. I mean you can aim your map at so many different people but never all of them.

Make it so you enjoy it & your target audience enjoy it. If another audience enjoy it great, If they dont meh who cares, You pleased your target audience & yourself.

HornPipe, you deserve a lot of respect for your positive and balanced attitude; I salute you :smile:

Furthermore, I expect that with such a genuinely level-headed response to critical feedback, you will learn very quickly and benefit well from the ideas/advice/suggestions that are on offer at places like this site.

i re-read this once more and felt it prudent, that even though it ended on a positive note, i didn't want the negativity of one insecure member to influence ANYBODY in any way that would harm their future in map creativity..

the issue of being offended arose after the fact, and rightfully should not have been a factor in this posting at all if it had ended the way it should have..

your "?" wasn't an indicator to being offended, we all realized that much, but it was a question you felt strongly enuff to post and in doing so needed an answer.. it could very well have not been THE answer that was most popular, or the most tactful, but it is indeed one of legitimacy in this instance..

to make a long story short, i, and my compatriots, know that you were not offended, and that the question mark was an inquiry to gollums strange ending on his reply..

you being relatively new, you didn't and shouldn't have had to know all this..

one last point, no one, not even i, will every use our dislike for a certain type of map to convince anyone not to make one, and anyone who claims otherwise, is a bitter person, and most likely, generally not a pleasant person to be around.. but as with all things fair, you will need to decide that.... for yourself :/

 

re-read the below post how it was intended you to.. it will clear most of this up... :smile:

Hornpipe2 said:
But it's important to note that I never asked for your praise.  I didn't take offense to anything that was said about them.  I merely posted some screenshots with a bit of history as a preface.  I don't consider a single post containing [color=red]"...?" as "taking offense".[/color]

Orpheus said:
these types of maps are extremely frowned upon here, not to hurt your feelings, but don't expect much enthusiasm from anyone of.... shall we say, reputable experience..

none of us, will try to discourage you from making these style of maps, but do NOT take offense if we don't look upon them favorably..

stand back, pay attention to whom actually responds to them, and base your decision on that..

sorry if that sounds harsh, but its the general consensus around here.. very few even consider them maps at all..

/ 2 cents

? posted by Hornpipe2
In other words, thanks for all your comments, both positive and negative.  I'm not offended, I'm not angry, most of all, I'm not discouraged.  I enjoyed making these maps as much as anything else I've done, even if I never play them.  To me, Hammer is as much a toy as it is a tool, and by God, I'll play with it all I like.

               

F**KING A  !!

DocRock said:
? posted by Hornpipe2
In other words, thanks for all your comments, both positive and negative.  I'm not offended, I'm not angry, most of all, I'm not discouraged.  I enjoyed making these maps as much as anything else I've done, even if I never play them.  To me, Hammer is as much a toy as it is a tool, and by God, I'll play with it all I like.

               

F**KING A  !!

about damned time you saw the light doc.. horn just said, everything i did.. i was beginning to think you were on one of your weird runs again..

took you a while, but you finally got the message..

I don't know what you smoke, but man ya needa stop dude.  I got the message long ago man!

I've always felt this way about mapping:

In other words, thanks for all your comments, both positive and negative.  I'm not offended, I'm not angry, most of all, I'm not discouraged.  I enjoyed making these maps as much as anything else I've done, even if I never play them.  To me, Hammer is as much a toy as it is a tool, and by God, I'll play with it all I like.

Thats why I said F**KIN A! in such a way...

 /moving on....

DocRock said:
  I got the message long ago man!

hmmm.. somehow, the way you come across as so abrasive, it belies your statement.. everything he said, is what we say, except for you, but now its what you said too.. you are confusing..

doc, you might consider a refresher course in reading comprehension again, you almost slipped back into your argumentative mode..

we always promote free will mapping, but we also let it be known UP FRONT, what we consider wasteful.. it doesn't mean the same as don't do it, but that if you do, you will not get the same level of attention as someone who took the time to get it right..

personally, i don't think you want to see it that way, and chose to be hateful about it..

we embrace all mapping, we won't assist you in all mapping, but we embrace it..

if you cannot accept that, and its as absolutely clear as i can make it.. you are in for a very lonely stay at the pit..

Orpheus said:
doc, you might consider a refresher course in reading comprehension again, you almost slipped back into your argumentative mode..

If I had a cup of tea to hand I assure you that I'd splutter it all over my PC monitor with laughter at that hypocritical comment

Leperous said:

Orpheus said:
doc, you might consider a refresher course in reading comprehension again, you almost slipped back into your argumentative mode..

If I had a cup of tea to hand I assure you that I'd splutter it all over my PC monitor with laughter at that hypocritical comment

just because it applies to me as well, does not make it an invalid statement... you are just as reading deficient at times my lord on high :biggrin:

the comment stands.. :razz:

Ok, thats fine and dandy, if ya don't quite appreciate a killbox map.  If the 'pit' doesn't "approve" of killbox maps, that's ok too.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...so why do you call people who enjoy playing a killbox type map stupid?  You've made statements like that now in several threads..

Course, yes, it is your opinion, but that is saying that many many people are stupid...possibly thousands of people (how many people have played Killbox in the last 5 years..how many spinoffs?)

Are all of these thousands of people stupid?  Is Korn stupid because some of his m8's and him play a killbox-type map and enjoy the time fraggin each other?  Am I stupid for making killbox maps and enjoying killing my m8's in it?

I just wanna know why you think killbox maps and people who play them are stupid.  If it's just your opinion, that's fine, but really I think saying something like that on a public forum where people look up to you and value your opinion, well you should have some reasoning behind making such a bold statement.

you are splitting hairs? to?

stupid people, and being stupid is not the same animal..

stupid people accidentally cross the wires while trying to jump start a car, its not that they are stupid, its brain fart..

people who play simple maps,because they prefer not to learn the intracasies of harder to learn layouts are the same animal IMO.. it doesnt mean they can tie their shoe laces, it means they are to stupid to learn which foot they go on.. :biggrin: no thats unfair.. call it by any name you chose, i don't care pick one and i will adopt it just for you, if it will shut you up about it..

chose a name, to apply to people, who think that the simplicity of a killbox is preferable to a real strategy minded map layout, and i will use it.. it won't alter the definition, but if altering the wording makes you feel better, i am game..

i use the word stupid, as candidly as another might use bucko, or bud, or any other expressive to designate groups..

do i think korn is stupid, not really, do i think him silly to play a glass shelf and have fun, you betcha.. do i ask or need his respect for thinking that.. not in a million years..

anyone whom respects me, does so in spite of my beliefs, not because of them..i know a few here, who would stand with me in spite of my being wrong, they would point out my errors, but they would still be my friends.. i don't have, nor require groupies doc, thats a bit of a difference you and i will never see eye to ey on..

if the snarkpit member list contains anyone i call friend, then so be it, its not a requirement for membership, cause if it were, you might not be here.. think on that a while..

I should like to make a totally spurious contribution to this thread:

People have no taste.

departs enigmatically

i think cash best exemplified my feelings about killboxes ..

a map deserves as much attention as it took to construct..

only i edit from attention to respect...

anyways, since "stupid" seems to personify something in your mind, that it obviously does not in mine, i will henceforth call these people "boxers"

it will still be the same definition, but at least petty people whom want to pick fights over stupid issues, won't be able to anymore..

boxers, yeah i kinda like that word.. :smile:

Er, over here boxers are something men wear over their privates - a heady mix of underpants and shorts.  Often the real purpose is to display through the slit in front, or just to show off the brand band at the top  :kitty:

Gollum said:
Er, over here boxers are something men wear over their privates - a heady mix of underpants and shorts.  Often the real purpose is to display through the slit in front, or just to show off the brand band at the top  :kitty:

yeah, same here, but, in a weird way, the image still holds, boxers hold the stupidest organ on the human body, and it holds a lot of s**t if you mess up.. :heee:

still when you think about it.. its not completely a far stretch of the imagination :smile:

either way, as far as SP members are concerned, boxers can have a second definition.. stupid people who play mindless maps :razz:

Then I think I can safely say that, in both senses, I prefer not to put my privates into boxers

How did this topic manage to get into another heated argument between Orph and Doc?  From where I see it though Orpheus, its does seem that you were itching to find an opportunity to insult Doc, and now when he tries to be reasonable you just throw it back in his face.  If Doc likes killboxes, that's Doc and I don't see why anyone should call him stupid for it.  One thing I do know though is that it's so sad and selfish that so many sensible topics get turned into an argument between you two.  It's not fair on the rest of us so go on ICQ or something and carry on there.

Sim said:
How did this topic manage to get into another heated argument between Orph and Doc?  From where I see it though Orpheus, its does seem that you were itching to find an opportunity to insult Doc, and now when he tries to be reasonable you just throw it back in his face.  If Doc likes killboxes, that's Doc and I don't see why anyone should call him stupid for it.  One thing I do know though is that it's so sad and selfish that so many sensible topics get turned into an argument between you two.  It's not fair on the rest of us so go on ICQ or something and carry on there.

hmm, you seem to lack the ability to notice when a discussion goes wrong too.. its sad really, cause i feel your intentions are for the good, but you seem intent on traveling the wrong path..

i admit, many topics go south, especially with doc involved, but, i suggest you read either more slowly, or more between the lines as it were, before you place any blame, either of me, or doc..

many topics aren't what they seem, but it does require a bit of study on your part to get the nuances..

if you think me in error, i suggest you re-read it till your perceptions change.. or avoid the thread entirely..

if you like, i can insult your intelligence and point out the exact location, where this thread went from neutral to specific in its attack.. but i think your are smart enuff to figure it out without to much encouragement.. all it would take, is a bit of "wanting to" .. seems to me, all you wanted to do was stop the discussion, not find out why it took place at all ..

Yea Sim, you need to read between the lines, and if you still don't understand, you need to keep guessing, but always keep it clear in your head that ORPH IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

Ya know, instead of changing your word to boxers, why not just keep the same attitude that we who play a killbox map are stupid.  Don't change for us...afterall, ORPH IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

I am stupid because I enjoy a mindless madhouse killing rage-out war in a killbox with my stupid groupies who don't even like my maps, because they are worthless pieces of crap...ORPH IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

don't cross Orph or he'll threaten you with his wide-world of friends...and they all adore him and his wide knowledge of forums...he is ALWAYS RIGHT!

Instead of ever again getting in a battle of words with Orph, I am now going to take this solemn vow:  No matter what Orph says, he is right.  I am stupid.

 

 

jumps up excitedly and shouts

BINGO!

 

fires off another witty one-liner

Gollum said:
Often the real purpose is to display through the slit in front,..

Er, didn't anyone ever tell you not to do that to other people..? :razz:

Orpheus said:
(...) but don't expect much enthusiasm from anyone of.... shall we say, reputable experience..

stand back, pay attention to whom actually responds to them, and base your decision on that..

If you ask me Orph, that's where it started.  Doc was just showing some of his maps and it was a valuable contribution to the thread.  Them two posts are offensive IMO and I could see that they were aimed at Doc.

yep, wasn't very wise of a moderator, was it

I didn't think moderators were allowed to say or do such things on forums..

They're not, and no it wouldn't have been wise comment from a moderator. You're right. cough

"don't cross Orph or he'll threaten you with his wide-world of friends...and they all adore him and his wide knowledge of forums...he is ALWAYS RIGHT!"

I think you're beginning to get the right idea. But Doc, I think it's time to



BTW, boxers own you.

Sim said:

Orpheus said:
(...) but don't expect much enthusiasm from anyone of.... shall we say, reputable experience..

stand back, pay attention to whom actually responds to them, and base your decision on that..

If you ask me Orph, that's where it started.  Doc was just showing some of his maps and it was a valuable contribution to the thread.  Them two posts are offensive IMO and I could see that they were aimed at Doc.

you know, i wake up this morning, and see this and think, "how can anyone be this stupid?" the fact that i am so royally pissed, and the fact that SP was acting up this morning, is the only reason i am responding this late in the day about it..

also the fact that had you been standing here, there would have been no doubt in your mind how grossly you messed up, but, since this is the net, i am stuck with 2 options..

1) rant about how damned stupid you really are, with a bunch of profanities. or,

2) use a bit of psychology to make you look like the stupid s**t you are..

i chose #2, cause at this point, i don't really think #1 would do, you aren't smart enuff to grasp it without my help, and cussing would just make you feel justified in your stupidity..

also the fact that you quoted my sentences out of context, adds to your error..

Orpheus said:
these types of maps are extremely frowned upon here, not to hurt your feelings, but don't expect much enthusiasm from anyone of.... shall we say, reputable experience..

stand back, pay attention to whom actually responds to them, and base your decision on that..

read this way, it makes much more sense and doesn't in any way sound wrong at all, but lets break it down so your simple mind can grasp it..

1)these types of maps are extremely frowned upon here, not to hurt your feelings, but don't expect much enthusiasm..

whether it is 1 person or 100 people, if this sentiment is held by anyone, it is not an inaccurate comment..

2)from anyone of.... shall we say, reputable experience..

i can think of at least a dozen new mappers , all on par with docs quality of releases, and not one of them would qualify as reputable, why does this have to be about doc?

3)stand back, pay attention to whom actually responds to them, and base your decision on that..

i can count prolly 8 to 10 people whom commented within this thread, and in all but two of the individuals, the comments were ranging from "strained neutrality" to " "general" to "humorously neutral" and in the last two it was "aggressively antagonistic" and out right "accusatory" by naming names..

what i cannot understand is, just because this quote could be doc, why does it have to be?

i was so pissed i couldn't believe that you got it wrong, how could anyone be this stupid? and then 1/2 way thru my original rant it dawned on me... "HE BELIEVES ITS TRUE" .. the fact that i said it, didn't upset you near as much as the fact that it did indeed qualify as doc.. you weren't mad that i posted it, you were pissed that i once again pointed out that this is doc.. in your eagerness to vindicate doc,you actually validated my past comments about him, this post COULD have been about doc, but wasn't..

it never occurred to you that it also fit dozens of other people as well, all you could see was i was once again rubbing it in that doc makes this sort of trash..

you should be ashamed of yourself on many levels..

1) i have never hid behind , or minced words when it came to my feelings about doc, i usually come right out and say it, no holds barred.

2) the fact that you deliberately took it the wrong way, in my mind speaks mounds, its as if you want doc and i to continue fighting, in spite of you claiming otherwise..

3)just because the comment fit docs profile, doesn't automatically mean it has to.. why must always be ABOUT doc???

in fact in all the posts here, even the pathetically childish ones of docs, no one really accused anyone by name except YOU!! you in effect told me to shut up, BY NAME, as if i did something wrong, just because you felt it was true..

if anyone should be offended in all this mess it should by rights be me.... the fact that my comment could fit doc is irrelevant, the fact that you singled me out by name, is the worse of all...

either way, nothing i said was aimed at doc specifically, the fact that if fit, is beside the point..

i would suggest , in the future to keep your feelings in check, till you are certain of your accusations.. cause no place in my post did i single doc out, but you didn't hesitate one second to name me by name..

for the record doc, yes i admit my comment could have been directed at you, BUT till i specifically name you as the person i am doing it to, ITS NOT YOU!!!

since V4 began i have not one single time been rude, mean or hateful to DOC_ROCK, and i am just about tired of the false accusations from anyone..

sim you owe me a big appology, and if you are smart, you will break your neck doing so...

Lep, care to lock this thread?  I feel my maps may be getting an undue amount of attention...

I havent read everything but I know where this might be going...  Moderators, you have my vote.

it will take doc days to admit he was wrong and even then, i doubt he will be man enuff to say sorry, and mean it... his last one sure didn't last long.. especially since i kept my end of the bargain, but this thread remains open till sim appologizes...

i won't post anything else, cause it is obvious i was wronged again and don't need to.. but i want sim's apology on the same thread that he wronged me in...

looks at other mods

leave this thread alone..any more hate. won't be from me anyways..

Orpheus said:
it will take doc days to admit he was wrong and even then, i doubt he will be man enuff to say sorry, and mean it... his last one sure didn't last long.. especially since i kept my end of the bargain, but this thread remains open till sim appologizes...

i won't post anything else, cause it is obvious i was wronged again and don't need to.. but i want sim's apology on the same thread that he wronged me in...

STOP IT! Stop! This is ridiculous. R to the I to the D to the ICULOUS! Why oh why do you feel the need to say things like this? It's driving me, and I'm sure other regulars, quite nuts.

This isnt the first time we've had our ... different views ... if you will on maps and the likes.  Me will be reading this thread more in depth.  But, I would suggest some refrain from posting on this topic.

Sim, I suggest you appologise.  Orph is very old and wise.  Sure sometimes I disagree, but I wouldnt turn around and bash someone like that.

Cash Car Star said:

Orpheus said:
it will take doc days to admit he was wrong and even then, i doubt he will be man enuff to say sorry, and mean it... his last one sure didn't last long.. especially since i kept my end of the bargain, but this thread remains open till sim appologizes...

i won't post anything else, cause it is obvious i was wronged again and don't need to.. but i want sim's apology on the same thread that he wronged me in...

STOP IT! Stop! This is ridiculous. R to the I to the D to the ICULOUS! Why oh why do you feel the need to say things like this? It's driving me, and I'm sure other regulars, quite nuts.

could it be driving you nuts because it doesn't effect you? or its not happening to you?

look cash, i am so tired of all the "poor doc" comments.. it took awhile, but many are starting to see its not poor doc at all, its the rest of the people NOT associated with doc and my issue..

i never asked for help, nor recieved much anyways had i done so.. but the people who keep this going, now they realy are at fault..

i just posted this in the PM's, so i will leave the names out, BUT it does apply here to everyone..

i know you mean well, and i tend to agree, BUT till doc STOPS picking fights with me, its never going to end..
i suggest you read it all, and then ask me again if i should stop..
sim didn't exactly point to where it began BECAUSE he is working under the pretext that "since it sounds like DOC, it must BE DOC"
the thread didn't turn bad there it was a bit later, when doc did it.. since he was under the SAME PRETENSE..
my point? if people stop associating my comments that SOUND like doc, we will stop having arguments OVER DOC..
as i said, at no time since V4, have i been rude or mean to doc.. i advise you to re-read the topic, then decide..

the bigger issue isn't that i am picking on poor doc, its the fact that certain people are accociating my words to doc, because they fit so well...

jesus fu*cking christ guys, he is not the only mapper out there who screws up, why do you have to keep this going???

i expect it from doc, its in his nature, and its in his history here, but??? the rest of you??

stop this horse s**t and move on.. unless i specifically NAME DOC, assume its about some other sorry person PLEASE!!!!

First off all, everything here - an less you know its true - should be taken as opinion not fact.  If one member has an opinion about an other member, take it as such, and OPINION, not a FACT.  Dont start adding words and changing the meaning of things.  Thats how most of the arguments here start out.  Guys, the more we post, the more the situation gets worst.  If I had MOD powers, you can bet this would have been locked a while ago.

 

Wild Card said:
 If I had MOD powers, you can bet this would have been locked a while ago.

 

i will be.... very annoyed if this thread gets locks prematurely..

yes, and disappointed as well... its time you people put this doc thing to bed.. i am not sure as to the motivations, or the deep seated fixation on it, but i do know i am sick of it.. my post that sim quoted, could have been about doc, but wasn't.. the fact that he says its the pivotal point only reinforces the fact that others are at fault.. you should really look at yourselves before you place blame.. the topic he quoted also fits dozens of other mappers.. why not look at it that way..

sometimes you people, make me so sad, to call you friends...

 

I'm off to get what little sleep I can get before my early wakeup tomorow.  Guys, please, keep things professional.  For whats left of it.  Anyways, good night to all, and please resolve this issue before I get back from flying tomorow.  I ask as a favor because it's not good for us as individuals, and as a group, a community.

you can lock it now..

/end of story