Cliff Complex BETA

For now I am just looking for anybody interested in testing out my map.  Either PM me or post here if your interested.  I would require comments on what was done bad, and good.  Looking at R_speeds, texture usage, lighting, architecture and overall gameplay and weapon placement.

I dont have a link up yet, my map is compiling and will be made available later tonight.  So right now I'm just looking for people interested.

Unfortunatly, my taunting system dosent work proprelly yet but will be made complet for the final release.  Sorry no reactors or funky lasers going around.  Just lots of rock.

I will post a link to a downloadable version when compiling is done, in about 2 hour's time.

Wild Card

PMed ya.

what WC failed to mention was.. since orph took forever to get his map compiled, he was desperate and pilfered another PC.. he is now compiling his own maps :smile:

 

WC has moved into the realms of "wait and watch" the compile numbers :smile:

Ok, map compiled and uploaded.

click here http://www.snarkpit.com/maps.php?map=422

Played it, commented on it.

Couldnt download :sad:

Kapten Ljusdal said:
Couldnt download :sad:

link works fine from here..

http://www.angelfire.com/trek/NCC74656/Cliff_Complex.zip</A>

 

Doh! Thanks Orph

Its so dark! I can barely see a thing  :sad:

Its so dark! I can barely see a thing  :sad:

 

Then your either blind or color blind.

Vash said:

Its so dark! I can barely see a thing  :sad:

 

Then your either blind or color blind.

You make me cry...

well, sense my sys (one im on right now) is so messed i cant play HL or any mod. ill have to wait til i goto school an DL it there to my flashdrive...then bring it home to my sys (the better one) and playtest it for ya. hope friday isnt too long to wait.

why anglefire? why arent you using your pit WC, seeing as how you dont got anything major in it, a temperary 3mb shouldnt be too much trouble.

my pit is br0ked atm until Lep gets it fixed...  And yes, I know Angelfire sucks...

Ok, while I`m still waiting for a few people to reply to me, what I`ve gotten so far was:

• light levels too low
• a few dead ends
• connectivity between the 2 floors outside
• more weapons and item spawns
• clip brushes to be added in a few areas

The map is going to stay BETA until next monday-ish when I'll compile a final.

file and/or link is borked, i cannot download it..

send it to me.. via your folder, and i will put it up in my pit..

Wild Card said:
Ok, while I`m still waiting for a few people to reply to me, what I`ve gotten so far was:

• light levels too low
• a few dead ends
• connectivity between the 2 floors outside
• more weapons and item spawns
• clip brushes to be added in a few areas
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The map is going to stay BETA until next monday-ish when I'll compile a final.

So im not the only one, phew :razz:

lol, no your not, but I do tend to like dark maps, they make me paranoid thinking ppl hide trying to kill me :razz:

Orph I`m going to dL it from my account and upload it to the breifcase, check in like 5 minutes.  Then give me the link so I can change it in the map profile.

remove anything prior to uploading, to prevent a wrong file on my part..

PM me when you are done..

leave only the newest version in the folder..

sighs resoundingly loud

sometimes i wonder if anyone ever really pays attention, or cares at all..

WC, why the hell you would cram 5 BMP's into a zip i will never know :sad:

i turned them into jpg's using XAT, but sadly the file was still to large for my pit, so i will post links below,

BUT THE POINT IS, your file was in excess of 3 megs because you didn't format the pics to jpg.. i am very ashamed of you :sad:

anyways guys, heres the link to WC's map :

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/orpheus/wildcard/cliff_complex.zip

and the jpgs he had included..

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/orpheus/wildcard/cliff_complexA.jpg

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/orpheus/wildcard/cliff_complexB.jpg

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/orpheus/wildcard/cliff_complexC.jpg

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/orpheus/wildcard/cliff_complexD.jpg

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/orpheus/wildcard/cliff_complexE.jpg

sometimes, i just stare at my screen and wonder, why can't people listen.. :sad:

Looked at the map. Liked what I saw mostly.

I agree with the darkness bit. Perhaps you can add a few light emitting textures here and there abouts, outlining the architecture but not increasing the light emitted, since you like it that dark.

way too many dead ends, also agreed. You could prolly connect the map better if those doors worked. and in that vein of thought, a larger arena area would'nt be too bad IMO.

weapon placement is iffy, but in all honesty I could'nt see well enough to find all the small stuff. I know you must think my gamma is too low but it is'nt.

On the plus side, you really have taken the time to make this a proper map with regaurd to creativity, construction, and texturing. Seems alittle lifeless in this beta stage . Like running around a large 3D photograph. Perhaps alittle interactivity is called for here and there, or some ambient sounds. Like gusts of wind in that small outside area. Maybe also some computers or a human touch. Facility has alot of GNDN pipes. (GNDN pipes are a term used by the art department on Star Trek. If you see one in a show it means, "Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing"). Really impressive in many ways at this point. Keep it up.

Juim

Everyone covered the main things I had... assuming the clipping you mentioned is getting caught on the fall down...

Woulda liked to see something on top of the roof of the room on the top floor with the hole in it... it exposes you to get up there so an adequate weapon reward is probably in keeping (or perhaps some contacts).

I'd toss a really lite light_environment in the map, with an intensity of like 5 or something... just enough to keep the areas outside from being ink-black (as outside never really is - even at its darkest).

I really liked the shape of the corridors down at the bottom of the cliff, it's an overused texture set and you went and made it feel fresh. Very good job on that.

One final note, I'd lose the skybox. Looking down is kinda dumb looking. Look for a skybox that incorporates a fade in color as you look down, so that the bottom face of the skybox is nearly black itself (I know you're not working with a cityscape, but the popular London skybox does this beautifully - just to describe what I mean, don't actually use that one). I think Crinity has some nice looking skies you could look into...

Oh, and path your zip (I think I wanna write a tut on this topic)

Oops, sorry Orph, I forgot I had thoses pics in there.

Me adds ambience to the list.  will look at the sky problem too

I'll be downloading this along with all the contest maps later on in the day, when I get on the computers with the CDRWs. I'll try and get a playtest going tonight with my flatmates on them all.

Cash Car Star said:
 Oh, and path your zip (I think I wanna write a tut on this topic)

the zip is mine..

i dloaded his, to upload to the pit, it was too large :sad:

i started by editing the images in the hope of making it small enuff, but retaining all his content.. it was still too large..

finally i omitted the jpg's and it uploaded.. but by then i was getting mad, and didn't care anymore about file structure..

the zip wasn't screwed (maybe it was, but i dunno) by WC.. it was my bad..

Nope, it was not your zip. I dl'd from his Angelfire account (which was listed in the map profile). I can tell because it still has the "half-the-size-of-the-map-each" bitmaps in it.

I had a run around on this map last night and took some screenshots to use for feedback, but I didn't have time to burn them to CD this morning. I'll post them later in the day.

ReNo said:
I had a run around on this map last night and took some screenshots to use for feedback, but I didn't have time to burn them to CD this morning. I'll post them later in the day.

screenshots properly optimized would fit several dozen to a floppy duncan.. you might consider keeping one in your pocket :smile:

but yeah, i see so much potential in this map.. its a vast improvement over his earlier works..

A few questions for thoses that tested the map.

1: I trying adding in an light_environment entity but it was too bright, how do I lower the intensity?  I'm guessing there is some obvious thing I'm missing...

2: Where does the player get stuck?  As in where do I need to add clip brushes?

I'll be working on the map tonight after school and I'll add in some env_sounds as well to make it sound better.

Anyways, once the map is done, where abouts should I send it to?

Wild Card said:
A few questions for thoses that tested the map.

1: I trying adding in an light_environment entity but it was too bright, how do I lower the intensity?  I'm guessing there is some obvious thing I'm missing...

 

you know, i placed no less than 3 of them in varying versions and you kept deleting them :razz:

i should let you suffer, but, a light_environ, is just like any other light ent.. set the brightness in the color area.. (IE 200 155 100 200)  <--- color,color,color,brightness ... since its night, go for a 50ish

doh, *slaps horehead*  I knew it was something simple I just couldnt put a finger on it.  Thanks Orph.  Me still cant believe I forgot that one.

For night maps, I wouldn't suggest an intensity of anything above 10 personally, I've always found it is very hard to get night looking good with a light_environment. You may wish to try using a grey/slight blue light also - the slightly yellowish default is really for strong daylight imo.

Orph - it was my own stupidity that caught me out this time around, I took the screenshots and wrote comments on a notepad next to my PC, but simply forgot to format the images or bring the notepad with me. I'll post later today or tomorrow sometime.

Reno, I use a blue light_environment in my map, looking good IMO

Yea I'm going to try the dark blue-ish grey color.

Ok, I've uploaded a second BETA (check my profile).

Whats new:

• added new lighting (and looks very good)
• added light_environment (and looks very ugly :razz: )
• auto-taunt system works (thanks CCS)
• "hard-to-reach" area with ARgrenades and ARammo
• ambience_generics placed throughout the map

What still needs work:

• I have yet to change map layout, cause I like it as is
• No new weapons or items
• havent added any clip brushes
• sky looks kinda messed

What I need from you guys:
[list]
[*] In the cave, with the new lights, the ceiling lost its effect.  I was thinking of adding in a bunch of lights colored black but that would probably lag.  I need opinions/sugestions.
[*] I need someone to give me screens of where I need to add clip brushes.
[*] Sugestions for the sky/outdoor area as well as the light_environment
[*] Overall architecture, texture, lighting, item placements.
Anyways, this is the last BETA until release.  I just wanted sugestions on a more recent release.

Thanks again
Wild Card

lo WC,

here's one place that i got stuck solid at. dunno if the player size in tfc would cause this though.