Browser

So yeah, which browser do you use to surf the internet.

I personally use the Opera, not because I hate Microsoft (They get waaaaaaay more criticism than they deserve...), but because I tried it and I liked it's interface better. Although it has nasty habit of occasionally removing both the menu and the address bar. But it's nothing five reinstalls can't fix.

I use IE, tried out Netscape once but... Nah

there is one better than IE?

netscape, looks ok, but actually loads so slow i get tired of waiting on it..

opera was ok, but if you forget to refresh, you may not see something new, (unless they have fixed that problem)

like i said "there is one better than IE?"

Don't bother with netscape, no one uses it and besides it has problems with it that means it can't display web pages properly. IE's good except when it has a paddy, hich is at least once a week

i personally use mozilla firebird, tis fast and solid as hell. :razz:

yeh, dude.

I like Opera because it actually seems to be faster... a more intelligent cache, perhaps?

Hmm... the Javascript Snarkpit thingie doesn't work with Opera... All the buttons work, but not the message part... :/

/me runs off to troubleshoot

I use Opera, can't really pinpoint why it's my favourite though. :smile:

Okay... here what support section of the helpfile says about it?

1. A bug in Opera or a feature which hasn't been implemented yet.

2. The site uses proprietary JavaScript extensions, and is written for specific browsers (usually Internet Explorer or Netscape 4).

Are any proprietary JavaScript extensions being used? Because I recall that there were problems with Netscape or something earlier...

like i said "there is one better than IE?"

even if you believe it's the best, you have to concede it's a fairly shonky product considering microsofts stature and spending power.

a bit like windows really... hmm...

Gwil said:
like i said "there is one better than IE?"

even if you believe it's the best, you have to concede it's a fairly shonky product considering microsofts stature and spending power.

a bit like windows really... hmm...

i am silly about certain issues i admit, but as to the MS debate? i never saw the need to complain.

my limited experience with all things microsoft has not dampened my outlook at all, frankly, i have never had any issues of note.

i know its prolly wrong of me, but i leave my machine on 24/7, and set to auto update, and unless i do something really stupid, i never have problems, and have not seen the blue screen of death in over 3 years.

it seems to me, that either i am a lucky bastard, or you guys need to be set to auto as well...

all things considered, i only game on my PC, so i have a very limited scope to judge with.

microsoft, is not my enemy.. considering people with PC's have very few alternatives, i would make my piece with MS and move on..

people counsel me to overlook docs antics, but it seems you cannot follow your own advice concerning microsofts antics either :/

move on people, move on..

You are indeed lucky, why do you think Microsoft is the bane of jokes across the internet? The thing that gripes me is, because people are too stupid or apathetic to even try Mac/Linux, windows keeps its stranglehold on the market.

And when you've used the others, youll know, theyre better. People need to stand up and be counted, and say at last that theyre tired of Microsofts substandard products.

arkansas is the butt of many similar jokes, but very few are based on facts, at least no more facts than any other state.

i will grant you my experience is limited, but it seems to me that unless you personally can make a better product, you are only blowing smoke up our collective asses.

microsoft may be a load of crap, but its leagues above the skill level snarkpit has at its command.

i respect most everyone here, but i doubt any of you can make an operating system thats superior.

i do prefer the windows 2000 pro over all others i have tried, maybe its because its based on another style i dunno, but it seems more stable.

whenever anyone moans about MS i turn a deaf ear to them, they would prolly cry about anything beyond their ability to alter anyways..

My experience with Microsoft has been a lot like Oprh's. I have had no problems with any of Microsofts products except Windows 95. It is also my experience that oftentimes Microsoft products are superior to many other products of the same nature...

Whatever. I think people need to let go of their old bias's.

BTW, Macintosh isn't even worth trying. You can't have any fun with a macintosh... :/

Make a better OS? Thats beside my point entirely... I cant even be bothered to explain... it's obviously just going to fall on (selectively) deaf ears :sad:

I can list a thousand reasons (ok, exaggeration) why Windows is rubbish... but I don't see the point. People are too afraid to try new things and experiment with change :sad:

Well, right now, IE is better than Opera, because Opera apparantly can't do Javascript too well. :sad:

Anyway, I have tried Macintosh... I have been trying to try Linux, but I then decided that I didn't want clutter up my computer any further... :/

I actually don't agree with Orph on the whole "make a better os" deal. My point is that the majority of Microsofts products have been excellent, with the possible of exception of Windows 95, and Windows 1.0 - 2.0.

I think excellent is a little strong for even it's most diehard fans to use :razz:

An excellent product wouldnt need as many updates, bug fixes as Windows (any of them) does, and wouldn't be much maligned and mocked, particuarly the BSOD affair.

Technology is supposed to be advanced and reliable, not shaky, bug ridden and overpriced. I certainly expect a better product for how much they charge on the latest Windows release..

I have 5 computers, 2 of them run Windows, and 2 run Linux ( differant versions.. 1 Mandrake 1 Lycoris ) and the last is a mulitple boot machine, its what I did all my testing on from MTI ( tech school ).

I love LYCORIS, too me the best linux version out there.. because its easy to use, has the power and stability of Linux, and the easy of use as windows. Great for first time linux users. Mandrake is great too, once you start to undrestand Linux.. Red Hat to me is just garbage.. but that maybe cause I am not at the level needed to use it yet. not to mention SUSE, or any of the many forms of LINUX/UNIX out there. The problem with Linux is there is not a single version.. too many choices can confuse a young computer buying market.

Windows, has its faults, but they do have a product that works, ( most of the time ) and is the main stay of the market. Everyone is compatible with windows, so I have to give them a KUDOS fot that.

As for what Browser I use.. I have 4 installed.. Seem to use IE the most, with Opera a close second. Netscape used to be the main one.. but they have gotten worse over the years.. but thier last effort was a move forward.. Neo-Geo is IE but with a skinable interface and some extras built in features not in IE.. and is not bad..

The Kids computers uses a interface called Amiweb.. very cool, so if your a parent, and have small kids, its a good choice.

There ya have it from my perspective.

($)

I use IE cos its already installed and i carn't be arsed to get another one altho I have tryed Netscape and I thourght it was alright but it doesn't allow you to view every aspect of the site.

I think I tryed opera (if it wasn't opera then it was one of the others that PCFormat put on there cd's) along time ago and imediatly took it off cos I hated it.

and as for the OS thing I have tryed MAC's but I realy don't like there interface and one button mice.

I have been trying for a long time to try out Linux but I havent got my own PC and no one will let me install it.

I preffer Windows 98 to any of the others just because all my games and programs work with that OS but if all of them worked with Win2k pro then I would definatly pick that one.

Gwil said:
I think excellent is a little strong for even it's most diehard fans to use :razz:

An excellent product wouldnt need as many updates, bug fixes as Windows (any of them) does, and wouldn't be much maligned and mocked, particuarly the BSOD affair.

Technology is supposed to be advanced and reliable, not shaky, bug ridden and overpriced. I certainly expect a better product for how much they charge on the latest Windows release..

i bet HL drove you nutz..

my point was, complaining about it won't help convince anyone..

if you like other opsys's, use them.

i have had no issues of note, you are not going to convince me i imagined my luck.

i doubt i would switch to another on the limited conversation you have made so far, its a bit on the other end of the spectrum than my experiences have been..

i don't doubt you, i just am not inclined to switch because you have had issues.

my overriding point is that, you dont really have to take microsofts crap, but people do.. when youve lived on the other side you see why i spout forth lyrical about my hatred of M$.

also, i see your point about HL, BUT, those updates were usually fixes coupled with add-ons, good adons at that - improvements and additions should be what downloading patches is about. not fixing code which should have been right in the first place!

my job is 100% dependant on fossil fuels.

i bitch daily when i see the prices rise for no reason other than greed.

my point? not a damned thing, its venting plain and simple, much like you are gwil.

i have to use fuel, most have to use MS, i could resort to another occupation, you could resort to another hobby.. i doubt it will happen, but it could.

bitching may make you feel better, i know it works for me, but it will change little.

we have been discussing this for an hour now, and i am no closer to ditching my windows Xp and 2000 pro than i was before.. i bet no one else is either.

make yourself happy, but expect it to only effect you.

I use IE and I think it?s good. I have Windows XP (home edition ) installed on my computer and sometimes I just hate it, but most of the the time it works fine.

All I did was make a point that while IE may be the "best" , it's certainly not great and has it's failings :razz:

Like I said, I cant change opinions, and people are reluctant to change unless it gets really bad, i was merely outlining a few points :razz:

and finally, not just you - everyone who does it, the word is "affect"

effect is the the result of something affecting a body/situation/whatever :razz: its like the your/you're thing

i think that went well :smile:

next time, lets pick something that can be won shall we?

It's not exactly venting, I'm responding to points raised in the thread, around browser software, and more to the point the most famous and widely used piece of browser software. If I was truly "venting" , I wouldn't be doing it in IE 5 (or 6 or whatever it is im using), that would be a little ironic :smile:

I'm just pointing out some of the failings - as people were only to happy to do with Opera/netscape... seems when the knife sticks into their own product, they vehemently defend to the last ounce. It's just like the criticism of Opera! BUT people fuelled it by arguing back :razz:

its called debate :smile: :razz: (and yes this is slightly tongue in cheek, im not fighting back... really...)

Orpheus said:
i think that went well :smile:

next time, lets pick something that can be won shall we?

hah! now you and i both know (and agree!) that would be no fun at all, dont we :razz:

Gwil said:
It's not exactly venting, I'm responding to points raised in the thread, around browser software, and more to the point the most famous and widely used piece of browser software. If I was truly "venting" , I wouldn't be doing it in IE 5 (or 6 or whatever it is im using), that would be a little ironic :smile:

I'm just pointing out some of the failings - as people were only to happy to do with Opera/netscape... seems when the knife sticks into their own product, they vehemently defend to the last ounce. It's just like the criticism of Opera! BUT people fuelled it by arguing back :razz:

its called debate :smile:

when i debate, i go into it with a certain degree of feeling that i can win the discussion.

commenting (or any word you would like to use) about software is more akin to venting, especially if its all (or mostly) from a negative standpoint.

i accept all your comments as valid, cause you rarely resort to lying to prove a point.

i just cannot work myself up to slitting my wrists over it, i like MS, it works for me, and i honestly feel that if someone has issues with it, maybe they should look closer, and see if there is an underling reason.. maybe you only have issue because its not updated..

personally i would much rather have the product NOW and download the patches as the need arrises..

much like HL2, we are waiting because?

anyways, you dislike MS, its ok to be that way, i won't hold it against you and i doubt anyone whom likes MS will.

Dont hate me.. and please dont use me.. Just love me..

ALl this I hate M$, and I use MS, has my feelings hurt.. i thought we were friends..

ROFLMFAO..

I use em all.. and can say that by far Linux is more stable, and powerful.. Windows is easier, and out there more than linux, so more computer buyers feel comfortable with windows, and its compatibility, besides more games are written for thier OS than Linux now.. even though were getting ports, and wine is hadling more of the MS OS games now adays..

($)

I guess im the only d00d that uses linux on here.

I use konqurer. Solid, Damned Fast, Linux.

my overriding point is that, you dont really have to take microsofts crap, but people do.. when youve lived on the other side you see why i spout forth lyrical about my hatred of M$.

also, i see your point about HL, BUT, those updates were usually fixes coupled with add-ons, good adons at that - improvements and additions should be what downloading patches is about. not fixing code which should have been right in the first place!

My point is that some people don't see it as "taking microsoft crap." And I have seen the other side... some of it is good... but most of it really sucks... (/me wishes Macintosh would keel over and die, if that didn't make Microsoft a monopoly.) :wink:

People don't bother with Linux because it seems like much more hassle to use it than Windows, which, at worst, needs a new security update every couple of weeks! Linux doesn't need updating on a regular basis, does it? :razz: Similarly with IE- so it has some security holes, but the vast majority of users will never be affected (beyond having their home page reset or something, oh boo hoo I'm too stupid to fix this but not to use a Lunix command prompt!)

Er, yeah lep, I coulent work out wether your for or agaisnt it. Personaly, I dont care wether linux dies, and microsoft rules the damned planet. It will always be a superior os, and ill always be using it.

( so he says, typing this post on windows 98 )

I us firebird and Orph I recon you should give it a try. It has several features not present in IE and auto-imports all your favorites. As for the javascript thing, the netscape based browsers support java/script totally. If a script does not work it is because it does not follow the standards properly. The same for websites that look wrong, if they work in IE it is because they were most likely made with a microsoft product and use codes that are not in the W3 standards... And there you have a gripe with microsoft - they are the ones breaking the standards, but because the ms product is the more widely used, it ends up making their competitors who do follow the standards look bad.

I use Mozilla. Not firebird or anything just straight mozilla. Damned useful. I've only found IE any good when I got the Google toolbar which massively expanded its capability. As for Microsoft. Well I appreciate what they've done with Win XP, Office etc. but well... lets just say I'm lucky my Win 98 PC here isn't showing a nice fat blue screen right now.

I think mozilla firebird has a search bar that you can choose which search engine it uses...

I think most new versions of plain old mozilla has that... I know mine does.

it works if you just type in a few words- it'll just plug them into the search engine you slelected. Very convenient.

I use IE, Opera and Mozilla. Each for different things because they all have their ups and downs.