tfc map (no name yet)

what it say up there^^

:dorky:

Tree models are good, textures are misaligned and probably should be sharpened. What's with the lighting?

Oh yeah I meant to comment on that in my...er....comment. When the
lighting in game looks worse than in the editor, you know it needs work
:razz:

I like some of the rocks, but the lighting is just... [expletive]. It
almost looks like it's full-bright. Might want to change that water
texture too.

aligning all the textures on some of the shapes that i've made here would be more than i could do, though it would add a lot to the map if it was possible.

what lighting? :razz:

i wanted to get the flag setup working first, so all but 1 of the previous compiles was without vis or rad. all there is for lighting atm, is a light_environment that's probably facing the wrong way for the sky, and a couple of wall torches in the tunnels that seem to be borked. the hills in that pic were a bit too dark too. the download has a different sky, with hills that blend in a bit better.

nature is something u dont usually get in TFC

It looks really cool and really butt ugly at the same time.

i got to thinking that the washed-outness wasn't all down to the lighting, and could be caused by the almost monotone rock texture too. i retextured and done a test compile.

what do you guys think, the gray or the brown?









i know the brown is a widely used tfc texture, but it make the scene look so much richer. even the trees look greener, which i find a bit confusing.

hmm i quite like the brushwork, but the texture definiately need to be reworked. they lack depht and i see much photo rape stuff :razz:

the map would also look twice as smooth and detailed if you add transitions between rock and grass

Grey or brown... well, if you looked at it from the "releasing it on a server and having people play it" stand point, then use whatever texture you like :razz: If you like grey, do grey. or via versa :razz:

The brown definetly enhances the color a lot. I think the texture itselfs adds a lot of illusionary detail to the map. (detail you can't actually touch). The grey could look nice, but you'd need some light work at that point (possibly deepen the color on other textures? The grey really sucks the color out of them).

Edit: Okay, after looking at screen 2, I think I like grey. Gives your map sort of a U.K. -rainy-day look.

I'm liking the current look TBH. (Assuming you're going to fix the lighting, of course :razz: )

Suggestions:

• Texture Alignment (Alt+RightClick is your friend)
• Change the water texture
• Skybox looks somewhat strange.
• Some spots seem to have too many trees, plus they all look very similar to each other
• <3 that bridge
• Most definitely brown, with some harsher yellow sun. Maybe do something to the gamma to get proper contrast. Personally I don't like that rock texture I find it too rocky for that setting.

The brown is probably better than the grey, but at the same time I think using THAT brown rock texture makes it look like a thousand other natural terrain levels. You may want to look into custom rock textures or something as opposed to standard TFC ones, though I'm sure there are other rock textures in TFC that look nicer than that one.

in a word, nope.

i've had a go at editing the brown texture, as i quite like it, apart from the wiggley bits that it has that shows up the repeat pattern to clearly. i've not tried it out yet, so , fingers crossed that it'll looks ok.

Interesting twist on the flagrun style, rocks look pretty good considering its mindless vertex manipulation :smile:

I prefer the grey rocks as the brown is overused, they'll prolly look better once the lightings sorted.

Bug - theres a HOM in the water near the blue tunnel exit.

Spawns need some work so theres less chance of getting stuck on the sandbags, netting supports and cave exit.

Narrow paths leading out of a single spawn could be a problem for the faster classes and when theres several players trying to get out at the same time.

Steps leading out from spawns are ok but could ditch them for better looking rock slopes or rock steps.

Tunnels could also do with being made wider.

When clip brushes get added to the trees it could make those areas difficult to nav as theres quite a few trees in there, nice low poly models :smile:

Not sure if each side of the river needs some blue/red colour markers ?

Seems like the flags and cap points are too close together and the cap point stuck away in a tiny area doesn't look too impressive.

Dunno about the main bridge area, with the cap points and flags so close together and all the paths converging into this central area i'm guessing that its going to get very spammy. A couple more paths should give peeps more options - extending the river round to the spawns (drop into it from the spawn) or another path at high level connecting the rocks may open it up a bit more. Or move the cap points into more open areas ?

yup, i'd agree with most of your concerns if this was being played by more than maybe 6 on 6. the tight tunnels etc., but bridges are made to be spammed. :biggrin:

the three cap points are only where they are for testing, making it a bit unbalanced atm, with red having it's starting flag in an easier to reach position. i'm still toying with the idea of turning the flags into beer, burgers, and a hi-fi. the team that captures them all has a party. but to do that, i need to make an area where all the items get capped. and i think i know just the right place now. :smile:

i know the HOM you're talking about.

the steps do look kind of crappy when used with the gray rocks, but i dont think i'll be using the gray now. instead, i tiled four of the tfc rock textures together, and done a bit of editing to kill the obvious repeating.

old and new-





i'm a bit worried about clipping the trees too. or even using invisible func_walls to give bullets and stuff something to hit. i think if i do use anything, it will need to be thinner than the trees, just to give some extra leeway. i'll need to go test a few shapes, and see if any are less sticky than others.

cheers for the comments. :smile:

fishy ur right;
snipers will own the bridge

I beg of you, do not use that old Half-Life brown-rock skybox!

the three cap points are only where they are for testing, making it a bit unbalanced atm,

Ahhh, right :smile:

i'm a bit worried about clipping the trees too. or even using invisible func_walls to give bullets and stuff something to hit.

Definitely need to clip them as its very weird walking thru models. Spacing out the trees a bit more should help.

Still prefer that grey tbh but if you do go with the new brown rock then i would tone down the colour saturation (?) as its very bright :cool:

Nice so far fishy, apart from what others have said I think you ought to keep the grey rock texture, and set the map almost at night time, with red and blue team path lights that would really make use of alll the shapes in the map to give a great atmos, can use a nice night sky then, dark night against all the rich colours lit up would really set the map off, especially natural sounds at night would make it great and even more original, too many infact all ctf maps are in day time, cant name one that is at night. (maybe schtop)

I think you ought to add a fire somewhere, would imply someone is camping there (lol prolly a sniper) and looking for more wood or something, also a nice waterfall, maybe even one of the trees should be felled accross the river, to imply high winds have been present,

Also since you can model and your name is Fishy, how about a few jumping trout or salmon (nice trade mark) trying to get up river.

I really like someone trying to get more non-standard-style maps into TFC.

• Fix the lighting

• Don't use too much trees, I want to conc around !

• Some rocks look odd ... (the ones that go almost vertically downwards)