Fat kids

I don't like pizza, it tastes like dog food.

Pizza isn't really that unhealthy. It's got a decent load of complex carbohydrate, but it also covers the dairy food group and vegetables. In fact, my sister-in-law, who is a professional dietician, considers pizza relatively healthy.

I had pizza for dinner last night, but only because I was working and I only had ten minutes for dinner in the hospital.

Sure, it's not as unhealthy as some other things you get at fast food joints, but I still don't consider it to be edible.

Read at own peril.

The dominos pizza has made my fart's smell bad.

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<DIV class=quotetext>Pizza isn't really that unhealthy. It's got a decent load of complex carbohydrate, but it also covers the dairy food group and vegetables. In fact, my sister-in-law, who is a professional dietician, considers pizza relatively healthy.

I had pizza for dinner last night, but only because I was working and I only had ten minutes for dinner in the hospital.

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True, but you are thinking of real pizza, not the crap you get from Pizza Slut or Domino's. If you go to a mom and pop pizza shop on the other hand, you get a whole different class of food.

Imo's is some GOOd pizza, but notinhg comes close to a good trattoria.

my grandparents on my mom's side are 100% Italian.. you don't wanna know what it was like raised to eat so much pasta and sauce based foods.. :/

Italian food is over-rated.

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<DIV class=quotetext>my grandparents on my mom's side are 100% Italian.. you don't wanna know what it was like raised to eat so much pasta and sauce based foods.. :/

Italian food is over-rated.

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Except that Italians are statistacly the longest lived people in the world... Probably Italian-american is different though.
I think the bigest problem is quanity realted, not quality or even exercise. Many parents used to (and still do) punish their children for not eating everything that is put in front of them. This, in my opinion, is THE leading cause of obiesity. If you are trained to eat everything in sight at an early age, there is no way you will grow up in a healthy way.

Well, satchmo, if you wanted to end "fat kids" the American way you can sue all the fast food chains. Join the revived class action suit against McDonalds. (it was thrown out two years ago ... it's back apparently)

I wanna take ALL the fat in america off of EVERYONe and transplant it magically onto Osama Bin Laden. This way we would not be all fatty, AND we would be able to capture the now-312,993,100-pound Osama Bin Laden, thus ending TWAT (The War Against Terrorism) and getting all american troops out of Iraq. Once the MAIN terrorist on the list is caught there can be NO WAY bush can keep up the charade. Solving 2 problems with one fell swoop! I truly amaze myself.

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Except that Italians are statistacly the longest lived people in the world...

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I thought that the people of a certain area in northern Japan held this title?

certain area in northern Japan

I believe you're thinking of Okinawa, a small Pacific island inhabitted
by mostly people of Japanese ancestry. They do, however, have
their own culture and own cuisine.

People frequently live into their nineties and even over a hundred on
the island. They eat largely fish for their entire lives.
And of course, no fast food until recently.

Satch, i bet you never guessed that this topic wouild be so popular.

certain area in northern Japan

I believe you're thinking of Okinawa, a small Pacific island inhabitted
by mostly people of Japanese ancestry. They do, however, have
their own culture and own cuisine.

People frequently live into their nineties and even over a hundred on
the island. They eat largely fish for their entire lives.
And of course, no fast food until recently.

I remember hearing about some doctor telling his patient to take up smoking because she was about 100 and had the health of a 50 year old. Anyway.

Nickel ... you should read some of the documents they've released ... finding Bin Laden would do nothing. Not to mention, the tactics and even ideas that Bush has delivered are not his own. I mean, I hate the guy ... but there are other people doing most of the orchestrating. The very fact that we underestimated the Iraqi force was Rumsfeld fault ... I don't know why he has his position. He's never served ... ever. And he ignored several lessons we learned in Vietnam.

/rant

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<DIV class=quotetext>Satch, i bet you never guessed that this topic wouild be so popular. </DIV></DIV>

That's what my fiance said. She was so amazed that gamers and mappers would be so opinionated about a medically oriented issue. But I guess it's relevant to everyone, even for those who are not overweight.

When I originally started the thread, I just got out of the examination room and I was just fuming about what had happened. I had to vent my irritation somewhere. And the SnarkPit forum seems to be a receptive place.
At the time, I was at work, so I couldn't tell my co-workers (for patient confidentiality issues). But at the Pit, I am anonymous. So I could safely rant without divulging the identity of the patient.

Just like to say that my brother is doing good on his diet and has gone in the past 2-3 weeks from a 42" weist to a 38" :biggrin:

That's a tremendous achievement. Kudos to him.

You can tell him that a doctor from the SnarkPit is impressed. Keep up the good work.

That's a tremendous achievement. Kudos to him.
You can tell him that a doctor from the SnarkPit is impressed. Keep up the good work.

He sends his thanks :smile:

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I believe you're thinking of Okinawa, a small Pacific island inhabitted by mostly people of Japanese ancestry. They do, however, have their own culture and own cuisine.

People frequently live into their nineties and even over a hundred on the island. They eat largely fish for their entire lives. And of course, no fast food until recently.
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I think you're right, but Italians (and other Mediterranean populations) are also up there, so to speak.

? quote:

certain area in northern Japan

I believe you're thinking of Okinawa, a small Pacific island inhabitted

Nickel ... you should read some of the documents they've released ... finding Bin Laden would do nothing. Not to mention, the tactics and even ideas that Bush has delivered are not his own. I mean, I hate the guy ... but there are other people doing most of the orchestrating. The very fact that we underestimated the Iraqi force was Rumsfeld fault ... I don't know why he has his position. He's never served ... ever. And he ignored several lessons we learned in Vietnam.

/rant

Iraq doesn't have forces to estimate. It's a clever trick by the Sunni power groups (ie the Baathists) to lure the Americans into a quagmire of guerilla style sporadic attacks. You can't estimate a force that doesn't exist, had no indication of existing and is assimilated with the local populous.

Iraq is ever so slowly becoming a bigger mess each day. Proportional representation for a divided society will produce unstable governments, or easy access for Sunnis and friends to retake power. Failing that the "liberated" Shia people will establish an Iranian style theocracy, infinitely more dangerous than reactionary Sunni governments (Saddam, Syria) to the American ideals.

Hopefully it will teach them a lesson or two about using a position of responsibility and global trust in a way which isn't founded on lies and hearsay. Oh, and that whole "TERRORISTS IN IRAQ THING"

LOLZ

Sunnis have jack piss all to do with Al Qaeda (again, you can't track or hunt down an idea), and never have or had done. The whole situation is an embarassing mess for the US and the UK governments, and a massively destabilising factor for world peace.

GOGO WAR ON TERROR BRINGING PEACE TO THE WORLD!

or should that be imposing westernised ideals of freedom? pick and choose! it all fits.

Mediterranean people are healthy because their diets revolve heavily around fish (omega oils) and olive oils in foods.

Where we have cancer, they have heart disease and various other problems too. The problem with the west is not so much discipline from the start, its the attitudes toward food.

Packet/ready meals - unnutritious, not filling, expensive, convenient.

Delis, cafes, burger bars, mexicans, pizza, donuts, candy floss etc shops. Everywhere - food, is everywhere. Not just in the street in the city though - all over the TV, the radio, the media. Everywhere.

Lack of cooking - by parents, and young adults alike. See the point about convenience.

Greed. One of the downfalls of societies based on excess and luxury.

Plus hundreds of other reasons, but I see those as the factoring issues.

Oh, and that whole "TERRORISTS IN IRAQ THING"

LOLZ

Sunnis have jack piss all to do with Al Qaeda (again, you can't track or hunt down an idea), and never have or had done.

Almost everyday in the news I see reports of innocent Iraqi civilians being bombed or Iraqi government leaders getting assassinated. That IS terrorism. Last time I checked you didn't need to be a member of Al-Qaeda to be a terrorist.

Oh, and that whole "TERRORISTS IN IRAQ THING"

LOLZ

Sunnis have jack piss all to do with Al Qaeda (again, you can't track or hunt down an idea), and never have or had done.

Almost
everyday in the news I see reports of innocent Iraqi civilians being
bombed or Iraqi government leaders getting assassinated. That IS
terrorism. Last time I checked you didn't need to be a member of
Al-Qaeda to be a terrorist.

(OT, I know)

Internal strife exists in all countries and arises due to various
issues beyond the comprehension of an outsider. These issues cannot be
solved by some western "superpower's" incessant meddling. NATO
countries are just making things worse by attempting to mediate in
issues they cannot begin to analyze, leave alone understand.

<tinfoilhat>Look up Britain's Divide and Conquer tactics in Africa and Asia. I see similarities in Iraq</tinfoilhat>

I agree about the meddling, but I was just disputing gwils claim that there is no terrorism there because clearly there is.

I think Gwil is saying the Sunnis in Iraq are not terrorists. I agree with him.

Packet/ready meals - unnutritious, not filling, expensive, convenient.

I went with my mum yesturyay when she went shopping, they have ready
everthing. From lasange to lamb hot pot. People just getting lazy these
days.

The fast-paced work schedule of the modern world contributes greatly to the obesity crisis. I work fourteen hours a day, with merely ten minutes for lunch and dinner. I commute between two work sites, so I frequently end up grabbing some fast food for meals.

Even though I know what not to eat, I simply don't have time to prepare healthy meals for myself. At least I try to select the healthier options on the menu. I barely have time to go home and take a shower before I fall asleep from exhaustion.

Enjoy being in school when you can, because life gets a lot tougher after school is over.

Yeah, I was more pointing out that "stopping terrorism" was one of the main labels for going into conflict mazey, a claim which holds about as much water as a colander.

The advent of "The War on Terror" has legitimised persecution and government opression, easily brushed aside by labelling the people they attack as terrorists - Russia, Indonesia, Pakistan, South America (already paying huge prices for the legacy of western meddling).. etc etc.

The "terrorists" in Iraq are Shias and Sunnis, probably Iranian and Syrian funded and both aiming for different outcomes - but their one common goal is getting out the invaders. I'd be pretty pissed off if my countries infrastructure was brought to a standstill by an invasion and illegal occupation based on lies and guesswork.

I don't condone the bombing/shooting/murder of civilians, but "terrorists" has been applied to a force who for the most part are targeting the American forces. They see them as occupying illegally and treading in the holy land. The cause for hearts and minds isn't exactly helped when thousands of lbs of explosives are employed near the ancient sites connected to Babylon/Persia, either.

Something has to be done about dictators, but when you do it based on lies rather than actual principles, and when it is America doing the occupation, I think it's always going to be a recipe for trouble. No offence or generalisation of the US armed forces intended, but the track record and general intelligence of the recruits isn't condusive to bringing stability to a region which loathes you already.

90% of the problems experienced now with the insurgency could have been better controlled or outright stopped with careful planning and a more tactful approach. Leaving open the border to Syria for weeks and not patrolling arms dumps is just inviting trouble.

I think the U.S. became trigger-happy after Sept. 11th. Imagine if you were a policeman. If your partner or you got shot once, would you hesistate for a long time before pulling the trigger if you perceive your life may be threatened?

Even though I disagree with the war, I can understand why Bush launched the preemptive strike in Iraq. I think they genuinely believed there was a threat, and they acted on it. The perceived threat turned out to be imaginary, but the action was deemed necessary because of a tragic memory of a previous attack that wasn't acted upon.

Indirectly, all Iraqis can blame their problems on Bin Laden. If 9/11 never happened, there is no way that the U.S. was going to attack Iraq.

and the Shias? as the opressed majority for 30 odd years I think most of their problems come from being victimised by the Sunnis for so long, and now suffering at the hands of insurgents because of a huge c**k up when it came to actually getting the invasion underwar.#

Bin Laden and terrorists are scapegoats for arrogant western attitudes and forced exportation of "freedom and democracy". You can't waltz in and impose your idealised view of a system it took Europe and America hundreds of years to achieve, it just doesn't, and won't work.

but thats another discussion for another time, I guess. Highly relevant seeing as Dubya has come to repair links with our overly liberal bureacractic moral overlords. Sorry, European leader is what I meant to say.

Our Bush boy here is trying to mend the wound he inflicted with Europe when he launched the war without European support. He'll be having dinner with the French leader tonight. I just hope that he won't choke on a chicken bone and make himself look like an idiot that he really is.

Dude, our leaders are just as stupid and backward as yours :razz: Let's hope they all choke on their expensive wine and vague promises to sort out Africa.

Be a strained one with Jacques Chirac too, after it turned out France was trading with Iraq and exploiting oil for food. Swings and roundabouts, all of it. Just good to know we have such morally devoid people running the planet.

:rolleyes:

To bring the discussion back to the original topic, here is a relevant article that might be amusing:

<DIV class=cHeadline1>Los Angeles Times, Monday (February 21, 2005)</DIV>
<DIV class=cHeadline1>'Obesity Revealed' shows what we're made of</DIV>
By Jeannine Stein, Times Staff Writer

Stacy Estrada's reaction was immediate and intense. With hand to mouth, she stared in disbelief at the sight before her: a 300-pound cadaver, dissected lengthwise, showing a thick layer of fat around its midsection and surrounding its vital organs.

"Look at this!" she said, hand still over mouth. "This is all fat!"

"He had a pacemaker," a woman next to her noted, pointing to the small metallic device embedded in his chest. Her voice dripping with irony, she added, "I wonder why."

Body Worlds, the anatomically correct exhibit of plastinated cadavers and body parts, is back at the California Science Center for a return engagement, with new specimens. The first Body Worlds exhibit at the museum ran from July to January and drew about 660,000 visitors to see bodies preserved through a process that replaces body fluids with plastic. The show includes whole skinless bodies placed in lifelike poses, or dissected to illustrate the inner workings. Various body portions show bone, nerve, muscle and arteries.

German anatomist Gunther von Hagens created the exhibit to educate the public about the inner workings of the human body and to warn of the consequences of not taking care of it. The first show featured a set of blackened smoker's lungs, and the current one, which runs through March 27, includes a shriveled, cirrhosis-ravaged liver.

It also houses "Suicide by Fat ? Obesity Revealed," an element of the exhibit with a not-so-subtle message about the deleterious effects of excess weight. While the majority of the bodies donated reveal no hint about how the people died or at what age, this one does. A small plaque reveals that the man, who now lies in pieces on a mirrored table, died at age 50 from "malfunction of the heart." He had an enlarged spleen, a fatty liver and so much flab that it draped off his body like spilled pudding.

Adults and children who filed by the exhibit did little to hide their consternation as they reacted with furrowed brows, shaking heads and an occasional "Oh, my God." Everyone has seen an overweight body, but seldom from the inside. For many, it was a wake-up call.

"I'm just amazed at how this person was being squished by his fat," said Estrada, a 19-year-old college student from Covina. "This is a person trapped inside his fat. No more fast food for me, that's for sure."

"I'm grossed out, but I can't not look," said 29-year-old Aurora Romero, a drafter from Long Beach. "It's interesting to see all that fat. But I can't look at it very long." The upshot of all this? "It makes me want to lose weight really badly," she added.

Throughout the afternoon there was much swearing off of bad food and many promises to exercise regularly. For some, it was reinforcement of healthier lifestyles already adopted.

"I saw 'Super Size Me' last year, and I haven't eaten at McDonald's since," said Gus Rios, referring to the documentary chronicling the ill effects of eating nothing but fast food for a month.

Rios, 34, who was at the exhibit with his 10-year-old son, Alex, added, "I'm trying to be more healthy, and I've been teaching him that it's not fun growing up overweight."

They were the kinds of reactions Von Hagens had hoped for. "I want to address the main health hazards and killers which shorten our life span," he said by phone from his hotel room in China.

He said he made an exception to reveal the obese man's age and cause of death because "in his case, the cause of death and his plight in life were so much connected to his anatomy."

Von Hagens wanted to include obesity in the first Body Worlds show, which debuted in Osaka, Japan, in 1995, but he said it took him 15 years to come up with a polymer that mimicked the thick, whitish look of human fat. Without that, he felt, the true damage caused by being overweight might not come across.

But Von Hagens will never know how many people really do swear off chili cheese fries after seeing "Suicide by Fat."

Despite countless public service messages and media reports of the danger of obesity, numbers in the United States and around the world continue to climb. He's hopeful, though; the damaged lungs of a smoker featured in the first Body Worlds seem to have made an impression.

"I have people reporting to me that they've stopped smoking or reduced their smoking, or had some relatives who stopped," he said. "Many people ask me, 'Why do you show real specimens and not models?' Nothing is more convincing or changes our lives more than real experiences. More than ever now we get our information indirectly, but this is direct ? it's real exposure."

Dr. Bill Hanes, an orthopedic surgeon from Covina who visited the show with his children, ages 11 and 15, said he wished that exposure were greater, because seeing the actual effects of obesity might encourage some to lose weight.

"I think this should be shown just about everywhere," he said. "I have a number of overweight patients who come in saying, 'My back hurts' or 'My knees hurt.' Well, the body is not designed to carry that much weight. I have had patients who have lost 30, 50 pounds, and they feel so much better. That's why.

This is the reason why I am resurrecting this thread from the grave.

An American doctor is being sued by his patient because he advises the patient to lose weight.

Since my personal incident, I've been letting more obese kids go without advising them. Why should I jeopardize my career when they want to turn a deaf ear on my good advise?

I'll let their doctors tell them about the treatment options for diabetes and heart disease when they ultimately suffer from their obesity.

Here is another article on the same story. I always get all vent up about this topic.

People don't want to listen. The power of denial is strong. They rather suffer and die than to listen to a healthy advise.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

I am following this thread at a blog discussion site.

As you can tell, I've contributed my personal experience as well.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

I f**king hate people so much.

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Real healthy atticude there Nickel, let us know when you're about to break! :razz:

Satch, that whole situation is completely ridiculous. It continues to
amaze me that these kind of cases are allowed to clog up the legal
system, similar to the way cholesterol is clogging up her arteries.

Reading the second article I feel she had a right to complain. Telling
a woman she'll have a hard time finding a man once her husband dies?
Inappropriate. Obviously she should have just left it at the
complaining stage.

Yeah, I agree that the doctor has crossed the line when he suggested that she's unattractive due to her weight.

But what about my own experience? And if you think people are
unreasonable, read about my discussion at my
blog.

P.S. I am the "Young Doctor" in the discussion.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

I don't thnk I'm qualified to hand out advice to a thirty-something
year old but here's what I think anyway. Giving up on humanity seems a
bit extreme just yet. If I was in your situation, I'd also feel
obligated to warn parents (tactfully mind you). I think you were right
to tell her, and I believe you should keep warning people regardless of
their attitudes. Of course, it wouldn't be wise to put your job at
risk, but there's quite a difference between being called rude and
being sued. Well, it's not that big in America, but I reckon you're safe
for now.

You seem to be very passionate about your job and I respect that.
However, you might consider not getting so annoyed when people don't
pass any heed of your advice. It's sad to see a kids life hindered by
obesity, but trying to help those who don't want it will get you
nowhere. Try on focus on the decent patients. If that doesn't work,
50mg of stolen hospital morphine should help. :wink:

As for Andee Joyce, I don't think you should even bother responding to
him. He appears to be reasonably intelligent, but that's where it ends.

Sorry if this is poorly worded or I missed anything, but it's very late.

Congratulations on getting married man, and keep up the good work. :smile:

Derail: Do you enjoy scrubs?

Looks like you need to look out with what you say, before you know it your getting sued.

I think people do get fat because they eat all of the time, ive seen clasmates going out to the mall in the break to buy food, usualy this isnt healthy food. And offcourse you have those that just wont stop eating, they seems to be obssed with eating.

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The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

TwoKnives, thank you for your advise. This is exactly my approach
to my patients now. I am very careful and very selective on who I
give the talk to. If I sense any resistance, I change the subject
immediately (because I know it's a lost cause).

I was just being railed up about the whole thing. :smile:

Thanks for reading through the whole discussion, and thank you on your congratulations.

I do enjoy "Scrubs", but I am working so much that I hardly have time
to watch the show. I don't like medical drama (i.e. "E.R.",
however. They remind me too much of work. I have enough
drama going on in my real life to watch it on television.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Thank god I'm doing architecture- whats the worse that can happen? I say their house is ugly- they can't sue for that!

I think fat people need a wakeup call, but our world with its political correctness has stopped any chance of that!

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Satch, do you think that If the lady had had a heart attack and the doctor DIDN'T warn her, she would have sued as well? I do. People are just after your money when you're a doctor, unless they're decent folks, which seem to be getting very rare indeed.

I hate political correctness too, why do we have to walk upon eggshells all the time because we may offend someone? What happened to my freedom of speech?

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i am highly athletic about 5'6'' and weigh in around 52 kilograms. so im pretty healthy! but infact when i was in Washington over the summer i didnt see that many fat people. i saw a few kids who were bigger but certainly not obese. i saw one or two huge adults but for 60% of the American population supposedly overweight i didnt see that many.
i definately think that Britain is catching up to the US on the fat scale though. ive seen quite a few huge people since i got back.

rival, you must have spent your time in front of a gym.

The vast majority of people I see everyday on the street are
overweight. And I am not talking about just a bit heavy, I am
talking about people who are my height but weigh twice as much.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

I'm between 1.75 meters and 1.80 meters and i think my weight is around 60, maby a bit more. Though i dont do any sports, except cycling to school and work.

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The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

I'm waiting for someone to post thier weight in "stone." Just to further my confusion with this "metric" you all seem to be using

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This imperial always confuses me, luckily it isnt used in science.

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The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

This imperial always confuses me, luckily it isnt used in science.

Same here ... And all my life I thought there was something wrong with me because I never really got the hang of the system ... then I start taking science courses and realize: it wasn't me ... it was everyone else!

I also noticed that, the US uses unique measurements that aren't in the imperial system as well (cups, for example. Imperial would use Pints. And of course, metric uses simple volume, which is whatever liter-unit cubed)

That's the thing I like about metric though, the use and connections between unit and type of measurement are simple. Unlike the Imperial system ... which can use Ounces for volume AND weight. It's not the same "ounce", but what the hell?

But, sadly, it is used in many sciences ... just not internationally. Nasa is a good example. PSI, MPH, are some examples of commonly used imperial systems used in sciences here.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

I am bringing up "the fat thread" again, just to ask a question. I found this picture and I was wondering: Is this what everyone else thinks of america? Is everyone REALLY laughing at us all the time?

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