Entrapment or not.

My first controversial attempt at a poll.

Recently on the F.M. radio, they had an article about Law enforcement posing as minors, in order to capture pedophiles on the net.

What are your opinions concerning "Entrapment"

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I get what you're on about now, i think would agree with otzman.
Pedo's shouldn't be around, they should put just as much effort into as
they do on terrorsim investigations.

Voted 2, whatever it takes.

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This is a predicament. Because there's no solid way you can completely prove the person was going to do those intentions, however, you had probable cause. Now, if they act like they do with drug deals, then I think, it's unethical practice.

This is where they pressure the person and do not let up until they consent to buy whatever drug. I believe in some cases they threatened the individuals, just so they could walk around the corner and get arrested. THAT is not okay.

However, this situation is obviously different, since it is consent to have some sort of sexual relation, usually, with a minor. In fact, I believe the FBI (I think, it may be some other office) pays individuals to pose as minors online to set up busts.

It depends on the situation though.

However, on the subject: Some local news teams have been embodying this practice to catch pedophiles and other people. They lure them to some place and when they answer the door, BAM, news cameras and reporters. It's really bizarre actually, since the press can't do anything about it (if you can call them the press).

A friend of mine and I thought up this really funny situation. What if one news team set up this "sting" acting as the minor to lure a pedophile out, showing that these people exist; another news channel does the same thing from the adult side, as an expose on why you should not misbehave online, directed at minors. I'd love to see their faces as one news crew opens the door to confront ... another news crew.

We thought it'd be funny. Since this is the first attempt some of these news channels have ever taken to actually get a "story".

So, I'd say whatever way possible, but at times, people can jump to the conclusion without proof, which is equally as bad.

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My apologies to any country that my Poll makes no sense to. Its rather difficult to anticipate all countries viewpoints.

My personal opinion in a condensed answer. You cannot get into trouble, if you aren't doing anything questionable to begin with. There is no innocent way to be a pedophile. I do however believe that the laws are to strict under certain conditions. If you are a minor and are having sex with a minor, then you are minors having sex. If you were a minor but recently became an adult and are still having sex with the same minor, then you are not a pedophile just because the calendar says so. That is a gray area IMO.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Some people would argue that its not right. They would say you're
encouraging pedophiles or even people who are not pedophiles to engage
in these activities and then busting them for it.

Well i think if a person does fall into that trap, they should be
convicted. If a person goes along with it, without realising that its a
trap then that person is a potential pedophile.

I don't think jail is heavy enough for a pedophile, thats like
convicting a man for having sex and thinking because he went to jail he
won't have sex again. When people who are sick enough to be interstede
in child porn get out of jail, that does'nt mean they're going to stop
commiting these acts. I guess you could compare them to alchoholics,
they know how bad it is for them but yet they just can't stop.

When these people get their hands on child porn they tend to want more,
because they like the kick they get out of it. This will lead to them
searching for more intense and voilent child porn, again because they
get bored of the old kicks and need a newer one. When they have seen it
all they are especially dangerous, because they can't go without that
kick they get out of the act. This the basis of basically all serial
killers and child molesters. They can't get the kick out of watching
it, so they have to do it for themselves. The thing is, people like
that don't stop after just one, the kick they get keeps them driving.

I think the policy on pedophiles is far to leanient, 12 years tops for
having a few gig of child porn. That doesnt work, what do they think
those people are going to do when they get out, mow the lawn? No, they
will go back to commiting the acts they did before. The police don't
even bother to check up on them ever so often, thats because they think
the jail time has set them straight.

Oh dear, i've been dribbling for ages.

I definitly stand by the whatever it takes policy.

In a related note, where is the line drawn with paedophiles? For
example, without meaning any offence to Madedog here, in the "eggs"
thread he is discussing how he would like to get together with this 13
year old girl, while he is 17. If things work out for him, he could be
an 18 year old going out with a 14 year old. Now whether or not you
find that a wise idea, it is only a 4 year gap, but one is now an adult
while the other is still a "child". Would this make him a paedophile?
I've unwittingly pulled a 15 year old when I was 19 (she was at a
party, looked older, and everybody else there was older - honest
mistake) - does that make me a paedophile?

Anyways, I think entrapment is generally ok in these circumstances, but the concerns Crono points out are very valid.

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I don't think it would make him a pedo Reno. Though pedophelia is
sexual acts with children, pedophelia tends to be voilent. If Madedog
was to pull this girl that would not make him a pedo because the girl
is ok with it and is consenting.

I know many girls who go out with guys around 18 years of age and their
does'nt seem to be any problem with that, well exept for the girls i
like :biggrin: . If that person was to rape the girl, it would be considered
rape rather than pedophelia.

I do like to dribble dont i :smile: .

I go with 2 only in this particular scenario, for all the aforementioned reasons.

2 this time, 'cos in Tassie you have more of it than anywhere else (Just kidding)

Here is where I have a predicament.

I am a firm beleiver in "people most often deserve what happens to them" now, not always, but if a girl of 15 looks slutty enough to be mistaken for 19 and is hanging around with that crowd,And misleading ppl, she deservs to be screwed, and have nothing done about it.

Really, if a girl is dressed to sexually attract, then they deserve what thier choices lead to. This doesn't include rape, or stuff like that, but does include underage girls who "hook up" and then say that they were taken advantage of.

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If the purported pedophile hits on the agent or whoever before the
agent says they're underage, then they're just a pervert in general.

If the agent's like "omg I'm a 14-year old girl with huge titties, let's bone", then it'd be entrapment or whatever.

I probably sound lke a pedophile now, BUT OH WELL.

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I went with three.

If we allow a grey area for one thing, we open up doors that can hurt
people. There is no excuse for grown people to go on the internet
to find "prey" but if we allow the law to dictate when entrapment type
activity is ok you may find yourself on the worng side of this new
power.

What if the FBI went online and started asking people for mp3's?
Or went to chat rooms and started giving out music then slapping jail
time or fines on anyone who went along for the ride?

As much as we may hate one thing, its never a good idea to give the law
that kind of power. The more rights we hand over (even if it is
to stop pedophiles) the closer we get to a police state where they use
our good will against us.

The problem is that if they outline how the law is to catch these people, the bad guys can find all the loop holes they need.

You know, I must have read through about 1,000 threads in this general forum and figured a topic of this type would be so big that few could leave it be for long. I am very disappointed in my first attempt at a poll. The dumb booby thread is 11 pages long. Most of it about a little girl. Perhaps my disappointment is not in myself.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

I'm kinda taken aback it "died" so quickly too, but I guess its likely
due to the fact nobody really has conflicting views about it. If
you look at threads such as the ones on gay marriage or discussions
about international relations you'll see that people are all for a
healthy debate, but this has just been a bit of a clean wash of people
willing to take any methods, within reason, to catch the paedophiles.

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Perhaps we should have a poll on what topics to debate over?

I'd rather stay clear of a gay topic, but if it could remain civil I'd think about it. I'd personally rather have a thread where there is clear "good" and "bad" myself. Gay topic's tend to be to emotionally driven to go well for either side.

How about a good "crime and punishment" thread? Someone else pick a topic though. I seem to not do well when I do it.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

But if there is a clear good and bad, then there tends to be very little room for debate as everybody sides for the "good".

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I can side with the bad, convincingly.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

If you look at threads such as the ones on gay marriage or discussions
about international relations you'll see that people are all for a
healthy debate

Mwahaha, my thread lives on!

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Btw... for your information.. on the "eggs" thread.. Isn't paedophilia
sexual acts between adult and a "child"? Well, that way that would most
certainly NOT make me a paedophile. I don't want to sleep with her :razz: I
can wait until she's adult. I told you that already, i guess :smile:

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I conflicted kinda... cry

i think its more of a foregone conclusion about paedophiles. they should be brought down by any method

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I think they should, would you rather a 12 yr old ended up chatting to them then going to meet the person?

I think entrapment should be valid if you're after a particular person/group of people, if you're pretty sure that they've committed other crimes, though IMHO it's wrong just to set up a 'general' trap for people (since you're encouraging members of the general public who you don't know are guilty of anything to commit crimes).

Though don't get me wrong, I still think convicted paedophiles should often be shot :/