The Devil did it

Baron von Snickers said:
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<SPAN style="COLOR: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: lightblue"> I do think it would be ironic if Rowling turned out to be a Satanist though.

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As long as it doesn't happen before book #7 is released I don't care. I will be royally pissed if some bleeding heart ruins my read.

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baron- a large part of religious faith is accepting things without question. even things that do not make sense or that you don't understand. Somethings, however must be understood to be included in your faith, and that is where some of these people go off.

Mostly, Christians are viewed as people who tell everyone else they are wrong, and who hate everything, and hate lots of other ppl.

It's just not true, TBH. some of us are like that, but most are sensible people who have kids reading Harry Potter at home. It's the same thing with muslims, people say that muslims are all violent suicide-bombers. but there are lots of ppl who ARENT extremists and who are not like the stereotypes.

Lots of ppl have no desire to understand so they just compartmentalize so thier agendas aren't ruined. It's easier that way.

seek first to understand, then to be understood.

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It's not that there isn't a lot of individuals like this. It's that the only people who make themselves known are the ones whom give a 'bad name'. Same goes for every religion, cult, company, field, whatever.

There are judgemental and murdering Christians, Terrorist Muslims, Pedophile Catholics, Celebrity Alientologists, the list goes on.

People should know, and not be foolhardy, enough to understand just because the media is saturated with these people doesn't mean they're the entire population.

Why do people forget that? I'm not sure, I think it's because people just like to bitch and whine.

Look at the passport thread :rolleyes:

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Another thing that seems to be being overlooked in this Potter ordeal:

Children are most impressionable far younger than what the average reader is. In other words, the majority of the people reading the book are not likely to be subjugated by the mearly reading of the books.

People who go badly, went that way long before they read anything that drove them over the edge. Children who take guns to school, more than likely would have done so even if they had no outside influences at all. There were violent children before video games. The problem these days is that many parents do not teach their children to cope with normalcy. I am not saying its fair, but life's bad things teach us something. Most times at least we benefit from them.

In the end, anyone who is thinking that reading any book will cause someone to turn out bad is themselves in need of help.

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@crono: good points, good post, and hey... i resent that little jab! :smile:

@UD: I agree for the most part, especially with the part about putting the
onus on the parents to raise their kids to function normally.

Also, I don't think there is anything evil or corruptable in the Harry
Potter series, but there are definitely books out there that can skew a
child's perspective and influence their thinking. I mean, I'd
rather have my kids reading Harry Potter than Mein Kampf, and that says something.

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Wakka wakka wakka.

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i believe that religion was originally invented as a way to explain man's obvious uniqueness on this planet and as a way to basically teach morals and good ways of life. but over the ages (this goes for most religions) it has been distorted and changed to peoples favour. take, for example, in the middle ages all the kings and royal families were in power because of a 'god-given right'. they went on devastating crusades 'in the name of god'. as far as i know the bible does not support any ideologies of that mind-frame. the bible itself was first fully compiled about two thousand years ago... thats along time. that book has been rewritten so many times who knows what it originally said. also, during the dark ages and the middle ages, it was the educated priests who preached and rewrote the bible. very few people back then could read or write and the priests, who could, could quite easily preach falsely for their own sake.
about christ. i believe he was a real person and probably a jewish prophet/preacher who went down in the bible as being the son of god because he became the leader of a new jewish cult: the followers of Christ, hence Christians. i do not believe he performed miracles or came back to life, i believe that is sugar and spice people have thrown in over the ages. but why he had a spanish name (i mean: Jesus??) when he lived in israel around 0 AD i dont know. that has always puzzled me.
as for books and what not being satanic, i dont believe it. how is the witchcraft in harry potter satanic? i can see how some of the spells that the death eaters use to kill people could be interpreted as 'devilish' but satanism was the very last thing on my mind while i was reading any of those books.
i am an atheist, quite a strong one in fact but not zelously strong. i am prepared to accept someone elses opinions or faith or whatever as long that dont become ridiculous in expressing their views. i do believe in one thing that many people think as 'spiritual' but think of it as not. 'Chi'. that extraordinary strength many people can harness that others say is supernatural. i believe it is more a combination of will power, knowledge of how to use your body, harnessing your natural electromagnetism and/or other energies your body produces as well as general fitness.

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haha n00b, the Spaniards took the name "JESUS" from the middle east when the muslims conquered spain. Along with other names like Joachin.

The "the bible's been changed" theory went out the eindow when they discovered the dead sea scrolls which were EXACTLY like the current bible. We know where Confucius is buried, we know where buddha is buried, whe know where muhammed is buried, but there's no "jesus tomb" its far from any sort of PROOF, but its interesting nonetheless.

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do you not think that was a bit harsh? i was merely stating my opinion. you could have expressed your argument, which is probably right so i was wrong, in a calmer, more civilised manner??
and to tell me that not one single bit of the bible was unchanged for over two thousand years i find that hard to believe.
but please do not tell me that the Dead Sea Scrolls are and exact replica of the bible but because that is blatant ignorance!!

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A Spanish Jesuit, Jos? O'Callaghan, has argued that one fragment (7Q5) is a New Testament text from the Gospel of Mark, Chapter 6, verses 52-53. In recent years this controversial assertion has been taken up again by German scholar Carsten Peter Thiede. A successful identification of this fragment as a passage from Mark would make it the earliest extant New Testament document, dating somewhere between AD 30 and 60. Opponents consider that the fragment is tiny, and requires so much reconstruction (the only complete word is Greek 'και' = 'and'), that it could have come from a text other than Mark.</DIV>

Allegations that the Vatican suppressed the publication of the scrolls were published in the 1990s. Notably, Michael Baigent's and Richard Leigh's book The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception contains a popularized version of speculations by Robert Eisenman that some scrolls actually describe the early Christian community, characterized as more fundamentalist and rigid than the one portrayed by the New Testament, and that the life of Jesus was deliberately mythicized by Paul, possibly a Roman agent who faked his "conversion" from Saul in order to undermine the influence of anti-Roman messianic cults in the region. (Eisenman's own oft-disputed theories attempt to relate the career of James the Just and Paul to some of these documents.) Baigent and Leigh allege that several key scrolls were deliberately kept under wraps for decades to prevent the rise of alternative theories to the prevailing consensus that the scrolls had nothing to do with Christianity.

Because they are frequently described as important to the history of the Bible, the scrolls are surrounded by a wide range of conspiracy theories: one example is the claim that they were entirely fabricated or planted by extra-terrestrials. There is also writing about the Nephilim. Some call these an extinct race of giants, and others argue that this is evidence of aliens in the Bible, interpreting the "sons of God" (who mated with "the daughters of men") as space aliens creating a mixed breed.

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source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_sea_scrolls

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I never said anytihng insulting to you... merely stating my opinion, too. Ppl get much to riled up over this forum... Calm down, have some tea. I'll take the time to read your atricle when i get home. :smile:

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the bible didn't exist as 'the bible' when the dead sea scrolls were written, so something must have changed.

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fishy said:
the bible didn't exist as 'the bible' when the dead sea scrolls were written, so something must have changed.

Well, it seems perfectly obvious to me. The sea was alive before the scrolls were written and they feared something else dying so they jotted it all down and stamped "Bible" on the cover.

Gotta hate it when s**t dies because you take to long.

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ROFLOL!

"Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia."

Yeah, I was going to bring that link up, but I forgot it. What a brilliant point.

Isn't it illegal in the US to preach in school?

Yes and no. I read an article on this not to long ago, and from I
know of, the article claimed that many people are "under the
impression" that religion is not permitted in public schools.

The article begged the differ -- it claimed that prayer/religion is
allowed in schools, but only for one's "personal use" you could
say. For instance, someone praying before they eat meal at lunch,
and naturally, praying to themselves.

Unfortunately, it was stated that many people are under the wrong
impression of the law, and teachers, and parents, and you average
person for the matter, feels that religion is not allowed in the
slightest in schools.

In pertaining to the topic, I don't think a teacher would be allowed to
get up in front of a classroom and talk religion; hence that it appears
that religion must be kept to yourself, and in privacey when in school.

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fishy said:
the bible didn't exist as 'the bible' when the dead sea scrolls were written, so something must have changed.

The dead sea scrolls are not "The bible": conversely, the bible is a collection of smaller books, some of which ARE the dead sea scrolls, which BTW have not changed except for the smallest things like a "thee" is a "you" or something.

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Crono spelt "sue" incorrectly!

Your teacher is a load of horse s**t. But shes nothing compared to this
sub we always have, he goes by "Mr.V". Hes like 500lbs, and is crazy.
He doesnt teach anything, he just tells us strange stories that he made
up and expects us to believe. Theres this great one about his friend
being elecrictured by like 8,000 volts and living, and then he does the
impression of him touching the wire. He shakes and his neck bounces up
and down, lawl. And if we happen to have atest while hes subbing, you
can just ask him for the answers and he just tells you them.

.... either way your sub is a load of crap, get her fired.

EDIT: <span style="color: orange;">Offtopic Ballblue,
your little text under your avatar says you beat HL2 in 6 days. theres
some guy who did it in like 2 and 15 minutes. Heres the video link,
http://speeddemosarchive.com/HalfLife2.html

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Also ... are you going to a public school? If you are, you can get her fired and sew the school district ... with the right attorney. You know ... if you need some cash.

Better get yo' thread out.

Actually Windows98, The human body can take WELL over 8,000 volts. It's the amount of amps that kills you.

"There is a rule called the 1-10-100 rule of current. This rule states that 1mA of current through the human body can be felt, 10mA of current is sufficient to make muscles contract to the point where you cannot let go of a power source, and 100mA is sufficient to stop the heart."

Volts can reach tens of thousands and not ahve any effect.

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Whatever it was, it was some kind of electricity that was WELL
over the fatal limit, im no expert on electricity, and I dont remember
what he said word for word.

but you get the point

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I believe there is a certain range of amps that is most likely to kill you - below that its fine, and above that you get burnt but die less often.

Electricity usually kills you by causing your heart to twitch uncontrollably (I believe this is called fibrilation?). Getting "fried"/burnt/caught on fire/etc is also a concern, but not nearly as much of a problem as having your heart screwed up.

At low amps, the current is not enough to cause any twitching. At around 100 mA to 200 mA the heart twitches chaotically and you die. However, above 200 mA the heart just clamps tightly shut until the electricity stops, preventing fibrilation! So you are actually less likely to die if the amperage is really high compared to the 100-200 mA range.

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I disagree, Mazmaster.

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(I believe this is called fibrilation?)

Sounds about right, considering the "defibrilator"

I disagree, Mazmaster.

Uhm you are wrong. Sorry.

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What makes you think you're right?

You bagan your post with "i beleive that..." which sounds like you think you heard it somewhere or something.

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I'll say. I don't think having your heart clamped shut's going to make you live very long, either... unless that somehow stops the electrical current but that would be pretty magical if you asked me.

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I remembered it from a circuits lab course I took last year. I just got out the lab manual to check (seeing as how you are doubtful), and it said basically agreed with what I remembered.

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On volts vs. amps, voltage and current are related. The current through you from a given voltage depends on the resistance of the human body. It also depends on the power thats supplied, you can get 8000V in open air, but if you close the circuit and current flows, the voltage could drop significantly if power is limited.

I'll be doing electrical safety stuff next year, unfortunately this thread will either be dead or derailed again by then.

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

Yeah, it's a combination of the two. Resistance, Voltage and Current I
believe are the base terms (I always get mixed up as I'm used to using
the components and not in general physics terms.) Ohm's law I believe
is what you're looking for. So to find:

-Voltage: multiply current by resistance

-current: voltage divided by resistance

-resistance: voltage divided by current

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(I don't know if that'll show up properly)

Anyway, you can easily touch thousands, millions of Volts, it's all
dependent on the amount of current (Amps). I can't really remember how
to describe it other than the Amps are the real push/punch.

I'm lost...

On the topic of what part of electricity kills?

Its a combination of a lot of things that can contribute to death.

1) High voltage in itself will not kill as easily as low because high tends to knock you away where low tends to hold on to you.

2) electricity kills more people that have no ground more so than those with grounds.

3) its amps not voltage that does the most damage.

4) moisture content and whats in the moisture contributes to the effect.

5) people have survived 100,000 volts I think. Isn't that what your average lightening is?

6) Static electricity can kill faster than either AC or DC. I do not remember my physics, but the electricity that makes up static jolts is neither AC or DC.

7) I could be wrong on any or all of these comments but not by much. (I hope)

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Thanks UD, I kind of get the general swing of things now.

I believe its not V
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But

U
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The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

1) Its a book for crying out load. its not meant to be Satanic, nor is it meant to be religious imo. its a "FANTASY" story

2)
God is an awnser for the unknown

i back up my saying with: As soon as science figured it out, the "God" of thunder disappeared didn't he?

3) i dont know what i think on the bible. and that strange thing about
the code of the bible thing was interesting. but aload of bs tbh.
religion is the belief that the crappy life that person may live is
worth it in the end.(in other words they are scared of death and want
to belief there is something after death) thats my view on religion.

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Pepper, "V" is for electric potential (The unit volt is usually used. However, that is equal to Joule/Coulomb) And V = U/q, which is potential energy divided by charge of the particle. So, using U for electric potential would be confusing :razz:

From this, you can see that if Voltage is the potential and resistance detracts from the amount of energy output ... then the only thing you're left with is the current (Measured in Ampere).

Power (specifically rate of energy transfer), is measured by potential and current. (P = I*V) Since, 1 W = 1 J/s. This is what is on your electric bill. This, unless you're concerned about touching a live wire, is what you should be concerned with :smile:

UD, a lightning bolt is energy ... it can't be alternating or direct ... however, the circuit it's fed into can be either. So, that statement is nonsense, even if it is still true, it's irrelevant. (This is like saying, all Crows are black because I have a piece of white chalk ... and yes, I can explain this argument)

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Crono said:
... and yes, I can explain this argument

Please feel free to not do so.

I really do not feel comfortable with the knowledge that you "might" be able to make your comment understandable.

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You know, normal people find things they don't know about, but have an opinion on, interesting. But, that doesn't seem to happen with you. You state something and the moment someone disagrees you, you throw derogatory comments at them. Why?

Also, if you would have looked closely I supported one of your bullets. :rolleyes:

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Crono, doesn't the flow of electrons, from wherever the lightning comes from to wherever it goes, make the current direct?

i know it's the same as saying static electricity has a current when it's name says otherwise, but is it still static when it jumps to ground? or could this jump, and the route it takes, be called a circuit?

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Crono said:
You know, normal people find things they don't know about, but have an opinion on, interesting. But, that doesn't seem to happen with you. You state something and the moment someone disagrees you, you throw derogatory comments at them. Why?

You, like so many of the young these days assume I meant it derogatory. If you re-read it and add this bit to it, you might understand better.

I am afraid you might make sense to me, as in... I do not think I am capable of understanding.

Sure that may not make any more sense to you, but some of us reach an age to where we do not really want to know or worse, be reminded how dumb we are.

I really do not feel comfortable with the knowledge that you "might" be able to make your comment understandable

you 'might" only show me how dumb I am.

Why do you think I put the word "might" in quotations? Could it be to emphasize it so it becomes the focal point of my reply? Now thin for a moment. I do not know exactly how smart/dumb you are, but I know exactly how smart/dumb I am.

So, with this bit of knowledge you know possess, can you ascertain that I was talking about myself and not you?

Shame really. I had to go into detail because you view the world so badly. I just had to have been talking about you. :rolleyes:

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Well.

It's not that simple :smile:

The difference between DC and AC is AC has an oscillating Electro-Magnetic Field. DC doesn't. However. Most of the time, when a type of current is talked about it's in the specifics of a specialized circuit. Like, man made ones.

I haven't read anything on how lightning, a rather pure source of energy (sort of) would pertain to this. I suppose, if it acted like either of these currents ... I guess. But I doubt it would be applicable. Mainly because, unless it is pumped into a circuit it's useless to us.

But, I'm not sure. Never dealt with it specifically. I'm just sure a bolt of lighting, by its self isn't part of either, since it isn't a circuit. However, I would be comfortable saying, once it's made a connection (trying to get to the Earth) that'd it could be DC ... but, again, I haven't studied that far.

I think for most purposes it'd just be considered a source of energy and nothing more. But I could be wrong.

However, this doesn't devalue what I said before, I don't think.

UD, you quoted me and responded directly to what I said, so, unless this is another realm of existence, that means you're replying to me.

Your message came off as arrogant and incredibly condescending. I'm sure if you said that to someone's face they'd get offended as well.

You have to understand the wording you used placed the inadequacies on myself and not you. You started with a seemingly sarcastic comment then went on to imply I couldn't make what I was saying understandable ... not that you wouldn't understand what I'm saying ...

There's a difference and I think that's where the communication breakdown is happening. The way you write a lot of stuff places 'blame' on the person you're responding to and not yourself.

It's not an assumption, but an interpretation.

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Crono, doesn't the flow of electrons, from wherever the
lightning comes from to wherever it goes, make the current direct?
i know it's the same as saying static electricity has a current when
it's name says otherwise, but is it still static when it jumps to
ground? or could this jump, and the route it takes, be called a circuit?

Actually, I think it jumps from the ground up first. If you look at
some photos you can see the traces of (I'm not 100% positive) the -ve
charges climbing up to try and meet with the +vely charged clouds.

Yeah, it does that too. But I think he's talking about after a connection is made ... at least ... I'm assuming as much. (You can see it in photos of ... trees specifically, I think)

I never noticed the edit. Sorry, Fishy.

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The charge in that case goes down then back up I think. Which is why
it's grey-area. It's all buggery, it doesn't go truly AC, but it's not
DC either because electrons flow - -> +.

i've never believed that what i do/don't take in is a measure of how smart/stupid i am, just a measure of how interested i am at the time.

once i get to the point that i don't care how the world around me works, then maybe i'll be stupid too.

[edit] meh, i type too slow :dorky:

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The charge in that case goes down then back up I think. Which is why
it's grey-area. It's all buggery, it doesn't go truly AC, but it's not
DC either because electrons flow - -> +.

Yeah. It's a really shady area, because it depends on the actual 'circuit'. Which is anywhere :smile:

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i've never believed that what i do/don't take in is a measure of
how smart/stupid i am, just a measure of how interested i am at the
time.
once i get to the point that i don't care how the world around me works, then maybe i'll be stupid too.

[edit] meh, i type too slow :dorky:

Or did you just lose interest? :wink:

I read once that lightening can originate in both places. Sky and ground. I also recall something that the ground origins tend to be the bigger of the two in pure power.

Off topic. Does anyone have the science channel on TV?

They had an article about plasma. The experiment took a stick match and lite it. The match was then placed inside a microwave oven. Somehow the flames bursted into balls. The guy on the show said that the theory was that the microwaves converted the flame into plasma similar to ball lightening.

This stuff is leagues above my head, but it was great watching the film of the event.

Anyway, back on topic. I watched lightening hit the ground in a pasture once. I know it hit cause I saw the geyser of molten stuff shoot into the air. (it was night) Next day, I could not locate the spot for nothing. The area simply vanished.

[edit] Crono. It's been a long day. My flight was delayed and I am sleepy as hell right now. I know that there are no cue cards in here, but you will have to take my word. I was talking about myself.

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/me runs away from Crono's big pointy logic stick

[edit] oh s**t, it's Gorby that's got it....

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