NS 3.0

<DaRk_PlAgUe> <NemesisZero> NS 3.0s public BETA release is in about one hour. It'll be a full install, primarily aimed at Steam, but playable over WON. The forums and IRC channel will not erupt in flames. Please drop each of the touched subjects. Thanks"
<azelito> Holy s**t

• DaRk_PlAgUe is back from <NemesisZero> NS 3.0s public BETA release is in

<KoRnFlakes^> :S
<azelito> NS 3 hoorah

• KoRnFlakes^ gets his connection ready for a dl

<KoRnFlakes^> be sure to /notice me if its released
<azelito> Me too
<azelito> Damn
<azelito> Im trying to fix my sound card
<azelito> Need reboot

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<KoRnFlakes^> :/
<DaRk_PlAgUe> gettin all ecited
<DaRk_PlAgUe> :biggrin:
<DaRk_PlAgUe> Thursday - : NS Beta 3.0g at 11PM!

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<DaRk_PlAgUe> KoRnFlakes^
<DaRk_PlAgUe> i think u might wana see this
<DaRk_PlAgUe> http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=60160&s=0b9bcb348f68ffb648a093e2f9ca1834
<KoRnFlakes^> loading
<KoRnFlakes^> ic
<DaRk_PlAgUe> around 10-11pm uk time
<KoRnFlakes^> ok
<DaRk_PlAgUe> thats if its true

I cant f**king wait

I am actually going to have to play this again when it's released, as I'm certain all the bad taste from the first beta has been washed away and replaced with a sweet sugary flavor.

my friends played the beta coz they went into the international league thingy :smile:

cant waaaaaaaait

the current mirror is very, very, very slow. it won't load.

[EDIT]It apears they've locked the only mirror so other mirros can donwload it and upload it themselves. I wonder why this wasn't done before announcing the NS 3.0 release? Technically, it hasn't been released at all...

roffle . . .

12% downloading at 52 kb/sec

here's 1 mirror: www.animosity-clan.com/Demos/ns_install_v3_b1.exe ... i'll give u more in bout an hour or so

edit:

<Maxious|> http://www.ausvisage.com.au/ns_install_v3_b1.exe is teh best
<Maxious|> 
<Maxious|> http://www.ausvisage.com.au/ns_install_v3_b1.exe , ftp://games.surftown.dk/ns/beta-3.0/ns_install_v3_b1.exe , http://files.redphive.org/ns/ns_install_v3_b1.exe or for Bittorrent: ftp://scythe.gotdns.com/dogs/ns_install_v3_b1.exe.torrent

these ARE australian links, beware :razz:

I've got it now, but it refuses to install unless I have Steam installed. Which, I have to say, is absolutely horrible. Anyone have anyway around this?

um which mirror did you choose ... the installer was supposed to be for WON and Steam, but this doesn't seem to be the case ... let me just check

BAH!!!!! OMFG!!! MY COMP JUST RANDOMLY REBOOTED AND I WAS 80% THRU DOWNLOADING IT

The SNT, university of Twente mirror (off the main site).

Whenever you click the installer, it says Steam isn't installed and refuses to install. I find this rather shocking, to be honest.

And use Getright. :smile:

_<

nope..no steam, no play.....the hostile takeover has officially started, as far as im concerned...

Doc B... :dodgy:

This is a steam game now, bite the bullet and install it.

done...i took the plunge...seems ok, so far, so good....***scuttles off to re-establish contact.... :rolleyes:

Doc B...

whats your steam nick brass?

Lol 2dmin, I live in the UK and I'm downloading it off an Austrailian mirror with 55k/sec :razz:
I can't be bothered to find a closer mirror and anyway, I'm in no hurry.

And it's really unnerving when you select your download from the taskbar and good 'ol Windows automatically shoves your cursor over 'cancel'.

If its for steam, I wouldn't bother.

matt said:
If its for steam, I wouldn't bother.

Any reason?

ok...doc b reporting in....

i had minimal problems on installation of steam....a sound card issue, fixed, all is well....

ns3.... wow.......this damn thing seriously rocks....combat is awesome, im having a ball again....anyway....time marches on, and im off.... :dodgy:

Doc B... :smile:

btw, so far, i dont really see what you guys have been whining about with steam....other than the amount of resources it uses, im not having any problems....hell, even my ping got a bit better, im assuming its an optimized system...running at 42-45 all night last night...w00t!

EDIT>>> sorry Korndawg, i overlooked yer post...

Doc Brass, or Doc... :biggrin:

Steam and I haven't had a very stable relationship in the past. Although I did download Steam just now, just to play NS 3.0 (ok, I cracked). It does seem to have gotten better since I last used it.

While NS3.0 is being developed for Steam and requires it to install, it does not actually require it to play. You can copy it to your regular HL folder at your own risk and load -game nsp as you would normally. The official statement I am familiar with has said that many have no problems whatsoever, but it has caused some major problems for some.

Well i now have steam and ns 3.0 though i can't say i'm in any rush to play combat after running around some the maps.... argh.

Combat's pretty fun, damned frantic.

Combat's rather lame. After 45 minutes of holding down the trigger and not thinking at all, it's just not worth playing. As an introduction for new players it's good, but regular NS is so much more fun.

Am I the only one who thinks the moron level of the average NS player is higher than normal? I swear, some of the arguments and constant help questions were worse than the worst in CS.

Combat seems a bit unbalanced right now... Maybe it's just the servers I've been playing? Pretty unbalanced with grenades, and it gets pretty irritating.

But otherwise, I like most of the changes NS has had. All I wish is that they would show the resource costs in the alien menu... :sad:

not impressed with co_ tbh. Ah well, nvm.

You know, the point of making 3.0 a public beta is for Combat to be improved. :wink: It's still an unfinished product.

No on'es disagreeing with you KFS, we're just pointing out that it can a lot better :razz:

Bah, was 80% through downloading it when my comp restarted, now I have to wait 3 days to get it off my friends at a LAN coz otherwise I'll bust through my cruddy download limit (1.5 gb) >_<

KungFuSquirrel said:
You know, the point of making 3.0 a public beta is for Combat to be improved. :wink: It's still an unfinished product.

Yeah, soz m8. I was playing it this morning & enjoyed it. Its very map dependant. co_faceoff (or something cant remember) was v good. co_damios or whatever it was was absolutely awfull to play on :/

Have all the idiotic NS players been hanging oout on Steam? I swear, three servers, three completely moronic, arrogant and egotistical commanders who don't know the meaning of "build an infantry portal!". Jesus. It's turning into another CS. The game would be brilliant if it wasn't for all these people playing it.

Gah. [/RANT].

uh, did someone take a look at the ready room in co_core ??? is it meant to be some kind of joke ???

www.snarkpit.com/pits/2dmin/co_core0000.JPG

www.snarkpit.com/pits/2dmin/co_core0001.JPG

Extremely badly aligned textures ... You could only do them that bad if you TRIED very hard. Someone tell me, wtf? The rest of the map is fine, looks great ...

I have a feeling that NS standards are slipping greatly.

You people have never played a version of beta NS, that's what happened.

Almost every map has had a square box readyroom with aaatrigger, pure black, pure d6rust, multi-colored disco lighting, etc. as a joke. It always happens, and it IS the standard of NS in beta. The final 3.0 release won't have anything like that.

There is also no guarantee that any map in the 3.0 beta will remain in 3.0 final, though Flay has had a tendency to not cut maps that really should be. i.e. Nancy. I'm worried about Angst, because not a single one of the author's maps previous has been good enough to make it, and last I saw this one shouldn't be either.

ah ok

ignore my ignorance :biggrin:

ah ok

pleaes, ignore my ignorance :biggrin:

hey, but ignoring someone's ignorance would be ignorance ...

I swear, if I join a server one more time near the end of a round and some moron goes "hay, lets play combat!" and the server switches to co_whatever, I'm going to do...something bad. 45 minutes of dying from xeno attacks after having spawned for 5 seconds is not entertainment.

Those combat maps are not meant to be played for 45 minutes on a server with 24+ people, and nobody seems to understand this...

Kage_Prototype said:
Have all the idiotic NS players been hanging oout on Steam? I swear, three servers, three completely moronic, arrogant and egotistical commanders who don't know the meaning of "build an infantry portal!". Jesus. It's turning into another CS. The game would be brilliant if it wasn't for all these people playing it.

Gah. [/RANT].

:razz: ...see my post on page 2.

and KFS, what part of nancy earns it the right to be permanently deleted? Is it just the location of the marine start and the ease at which the aliens can bottle them up and spam them to hell and beyond? Or is there something more fundamental that I am missing...

Yes, being killed directly after spawning is annoying. An idea to fix it would be to make the marines spawn in an inaccessable area, sort of like in DoD, then they jump down on the stupid little aliens . And the aliens, well ... They can spawn on top of the Hive can't they :razz:

Nancy was dropped because Onos got stuck everywhere with the new bounding boxes.

Nancy is shockingly ugly, a few of the official ns_ maps aren't up to the quality of the others. NS really raised the bar of mapping in the hl community but some of the maps like nancy and lost are so far under it's not even funny. It burns my eyes to play on these maps and so do many of the combat maps.

Nancy was dropped because Onos got stuck everywhere with the new bounding boxes.

...Because it wasn't even compiled right when updated for NS 2.0. Always speaks well for a map.

So there's no REAL reason why Nancy in 3.0 should be put to pasture? I don't give a f**k about how ugly it looks if the gameplay is there... (and I'm not saying it is for Nancy, I just don't know)

See, I'm looking into mapping for NS (ha! fat chance) and I was wondering about good layouts and trying to move away from the hallway - room - hallway design and try and do something unique. Nancy and a few others just seem to be slanted for one side or the other due to the design, either it be one side has no chance at all or if one side gets to a certain point the other team's loss is inevitable. I was just wondering if that was my experience or a generally accepted fact.

Well, first off, the map was never even recommended for inclusion in 1.0 by a single playtester on the team, save maybe the mapper who made it. Gameplay wasn't horrible, but it wasn't the best by any means and on top of that, the visuals were nowhere up to par with the established NS standards - poor lighting, horrid texturing, and bland appearances in general made for a glaring contrast to the other maps. The gameplay wasn't striking enough to be a saving grace in this case, and as such it was not a map that should have ever been representative of Natural Selection. It was rather awful in visuals and extremely mediocre in other areas.

It broke in 2.0 and the source was lost and it was summarily removed, a happy day for NS. Unfortunately, a bunch of people grouped together to re-make it from scratch, and now we have a new version in the 3.0 beta of a map that they really probably shouldn't have even played in the first place.

As far as your own NS ambitions, there's a good bit of flexibility in layout styles for what you want to do. If you look at the official maps, Eclipse and Veil have fairly similar layouts (this was intentional on my part, as the two are designed to be from the same location and recognizable as very similar), but other than that I believe most are fairly varied in their styles. You can go with an X, modified T, squared-off O, or even Y-shaped layout with some measure of success. I would say the biggest thing to be concerned with is even nozzle placement and checking siege distances against your landmark areas (MS, Hives, and nozzles - locking down too many of anything at once is problematic). If those fall into place within your layout and you keep good travel options open, you should do fairly well. :smile:

well, i know its a beta, but still, it seems to me it was in development long enough to weed out some of the s**t ive seen in these new combat maps.....dont get me wrong, i like the game style....all hell breaks loose....but the stuff ive seen, well, if id have posted screens of this stuff here, id have expected to have the beat s**t outta me for it, as ive seen what these hungry f**kers do to a sheit map....if ya need a list, ill accomodate....

Doc B... :dodgy:

Well I finally got steam to work with the help of KornFlakes, played NS3 for about... 20 seconds as I have exams to 'revise' for. It was combat mode and as soon as I spawnedI got easten but I imagine that was because marines were about to lose so I'm not making any judgements based on that experience :smile:

I have to say my favorite addition is "Focus", which replaces the worthless Pheromones alien upgrade. With Focus, a skulk can take out an HA with a bite or two. Fades can take out some HA's with one swipe! Of course you have to time your attacks better, but it really does empower all the alien classes in my opinion.