WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster

I know about Leaf Portals etc but Cluster Portals? What are they and whats the this on about?

** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\sourcesdk\bin\vbsp.exe"
** Parameters: "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_combinebase.vmf"

Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Nov 22 2004)
1 threads
materialPath: c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\materials
Loading c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_combinebase.vmf
Brush 14302, Side 6: duplicate plane
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
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Chop Details...done (0)
Find Visible Detail Sides...done (0)
Merging details...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (0)
writing c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_combinebase.prt...done (0)
Creating default cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox sky_wasteland02...
Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
done (1) (183079 bytes)
Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Writing c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_combinebase.bsp
3 seconds elapsed
Memory leak: mempool blocks left in memory: 49
Memory leak: mempool blocks left in memory: 4

** Executing...
** Command: c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\sourcesdk\bin\vvis.exe
** Parameters: c:\PROGRA~1\valve\steam\STEAMA~1\JOINEE~1\HALF-L~2\hl2mp\maps\DM_COM~1.VMF

Valve Software - vvis.exe (Nov 22 2004)
1 threads
reading c:\progra~1\valve\steam\steama~1\joinee~1\half-l~2\hl2mp\maps\DM_COM~1.bsp
reading c:\progra~1\valve\steam\steama~1\joinee~1\half-l~2\hl2mp\maps\DM_COM~1.prt
545 portalclusters
1439 numportals
BasePortalVis: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (1)
PortalFlow: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (18)
[b][i][color=orange]WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster
WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster[/i][/b]
Optimized: 332 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 64605
Average clusters visible: 118
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 271
visdatasize:46644 compressed from 78480
writing c:\progra~1\valve\steam\steama~1\joinee~1\half-l~2\hl2mp\maps\DM_COM~1.bsp
20 seconds elapsed[/color]

** Executing...
** Command: c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\sourcesdk\bin\vrad.exe
** Parameters: c:\PROGRA~1\valve\steam\STEAMA~1\JOINEE~1\HALF-L~2\hl2mp\maps\DM_COM~1.VMF

Valve Software - vrad.exe (Dec 1 2004)
----- Radiosity Simulator ----
1 threads
[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[45 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']

Loading c:\progra~1\valve\steam\steama~1\joinee~1\half-l~2\hl2mp\maps\DM_COM~1.bsp
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Writing c:\progra~1\valve\steam\steama~1\joinee~1\half-l~2\hl2mp\maps\DM_COM~1.bsp
17 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_combinebase.bsp" "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\joinee_rj\sourcesdk\hl2mp_sample_content\maps\dm_combinebase.bsp"

This wasn't in the compile errors tut by the way and its doesn't seem to affect any other programs. I haven't tried running the map either

The map will probably work, but you should probably try it out. If you see anything odd, take a screenshot and post it.

Searching for that warning gave me a site in Swedish or something. I can't read it, anyway.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Joe-Bob</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>The map will probably work</DIV></DIV>
It had better. I've spend about two weeks on that map.

Even if it doesn't work it doesn't mean it's broken beyond repair :razz:

Sorry to bump an old post but hrrrmmmmm Im gettting this same error...

"WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster"

The map seems to run fine. Can anyone tell me what "clusters" are and what "cluster portals" are? Ill drop in my compile info as well :smile: It's a pretty big map and is really coming along nicely except for some minor bumps along the way. This is my first serious attempt at mapping since a few years ago when I fought with Quark for a bit.

** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\sourcesdk\bin\vbsp.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike" "C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945"

Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Dec 15 2004)
1 threads
materialPath: c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\materials
Loading C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.vmf
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (2)
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (1)
Processing areas...done (0)
Building Faces...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (1)
writing C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.prt...done (0)
Creating default cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox sky_dust...
Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
done (1) (335379 bytes)
Error! To use model "models/Characters/hostage_04.mdl"
with prop_static, it must be compiled with $staticprop!
Error loading studio model "models/Characters/hostage_04.mdl"!
Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Water found with no water_lod_control entity, creating a default one.
Writing C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.bsp
9 seconds elapsed
Memory leak: mempool blocks left in memory: 48
Memory leak: mempool blocks left in memory: 3

** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\sourcesdk\bin\vvis.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike" -fast "C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945"

Valve Software - vvis.exe (Dec 15 2004)
fastvis = true
1 threads
reading c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.bsp
reading c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.prt
2424 portalclusters
8185 numportals
BasePortalVis: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (34)
WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster
WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster
Optimized: 327764 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 4826628
Average clusters visible: 1991
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 2404
visdatasize:1422338 compressed from 1473792
writing c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.bsp
38 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\sourcesdk\bin\vrad.exe"
** Parameters: -game "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike" -noextra "C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945"

Valve Software - vrad.exe (Dec 15 2004)
----- Radiosity Simulator ----
1 threads
[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[1 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']

Loading c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.bsp
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Writing c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.bsp
3 minutes, 3 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:\Program Files\Valve\Steam\SteamApps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.bsp" "c:\program files\valve\steam\steamapps\uberdingo\counter-strike source\cstrike\maps\platzTue1945.bsp"

Its probably the same or closely related to "WARNING: leaf portal saw into leaf" in HL.

Check your geometry and try making more stuff func_detail. And always alt+p :smile:

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting SaintGreg</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Its probably the same or closely related to "WARNING: leaf portal saw into leaf" in HL.

Check your geometry and try making more stuff func_detail. And always alt+p :smile:
</DIV></DIV>
Ok cool, thanks for the tip. I do use alt+p and it doesnt show anything there. Ive started making things func_detail and it does make things run smoother. I havent found what's causing this yet but Im going to go look up "WARNING: leaf portal saw into leaf" and read up on that.

A cluster is a group of BSP leaves. Each leaf is in one and only one
cluster. VIS works out which clusters can see which other clusters and
stores that info in the map file.

(It's not done for each individual leaf, as there are too many of them).

I don't know what a cluster portal is, but I'm assuming it's the boundary between adjacent clusters.

Unfortunately, knowing this is absolutely no help in fixing your problem.

I believe it happens when you get a cluster that is concave, ie it can
see out of a portal, then back into itself. Theoretically the bsp
process should create only convex clusters so that is probably either a
result of too complex of geometry giving bsp rounding errors or
something.

im also getting this error..

can this error crash map when loading ?

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http:www.frissi.com

HL2 World said:
WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster

This error is most of the time not fatal.

It can appear in some tricky brush set ups.

Half-Life2.net said:
WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster basically means that VIS is freaking out over your leaves. Turning some angled geometry in my map into func_brushes made the message go away. Run GLview and if you see a lot of white lines really close together or at a bunch of angles, you've found your problem.

Interlopers said:
(I think) VBSP has made a concave leaf(or in other ways invalid) that can see into itself. The solution is to simplify your leafs (func_detail) as much as possible to avoid this error, but usually (or sometimes) you will find no bad things come from it and your map runs as it should. If you got unexpected low FPS somewhere, this may be the cause. Finding it may be hard, and usually ends up in using cordon tools or just not doing it at all. First look at complicated parts of your map, try to use glview to find it. I've also heard about this being caused by overlapping brushes or brushes that are off-grid. Allthough i find this unlikely, I am not sure if it isn't, so keep those possibilities open too.

Isn't google wonderful?

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Idd, found the same link on google :smile: <br style="color: white;">

I had this problem many many times. usually from complicated geometry. VIS doesn't like it when I make hallways out of multiple hexagons for bumpy wall action. So, I surrounded my hallways in a rectangular shell that fit overtop, then I changed the halls to func_detail. This has solved the problem every time I've ever had this. Only thing is finding out WHAT is the complex structure.

Hope this helps

VIS is a program, it doesn't like or dislike anything! :wink:

I think it's more important to actually understand the VIS process and how leaves/portals work. <A HREF="http://members.tripod.co.uk/EditHalfLife/tutorials/leafs.htm" TARGET="_blank">Here </a>is a nice, well-written explanation of the whole process. It was originally for Half-Life 1, but honestly not much has changed.

(Be careful about this website though... <A HREF="http://members.tripod.co.uk/EditHalfLife/tutorials/funcwall.htm" TARGET="_blank">This article</A> is completely wrong: in Half-Life 1, func_wall brushes remain world polys)