HL1 Deathmatch Source

I have been playing it for a few days now and find the subtle differences in the stock maps welcoming.

It perked up the tired old maps. The pings I have played seem pretty stable too.

Anyone know what editor you use to make a map for this? 3.5 or 4.0?

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4.0, it's a Source game. I haven't tried mapping for it yet, but here's the FGD: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Half-Life_Deathmatch_Source.fgd.

Good to hear it get's played. Last time I checked servers crashed almost every 10 minutes.

I love the new Bounce.

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This reminder has provoked me to play it.
Here I go...

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I like it, and would welcome the chance to frag it with some of you'alls.

There aren't many servers so locating each other shouldn't be a hassle.

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Last time I played it there were some major differences to HL1 that killed it for me. The ultra-slow MP5 grenades, delay in releasing charged gauss shots, and displacement surfaces damaging you when you try to gauss jump from them were the main issues I had. Sadly I don't think there were ever any updates to fix these problems :sad:

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I must be out of practice. I noticed none of those things so far. Now, I bet they will haunt me. Thanx Duncan. :wink:

I dunno, I liked what I played thus far. /me hopes I am not illusioned.

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I might also give it another try. It always sounded like a nice idea and it seems they fixed the ugliest bugs already (though I fear this game gets even less support than HL2DM).

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I played today in fact. No issues. Might be though that I was re-learning the maps and, didn't focus on much but the paths and the alterations in the displacements.

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Reaper and I just had a great time. And if I might add, even though I got kicked out for a few minutes, I still got second place. :biggrin:

/me is still roxor.

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In just a few minutes, I'm gonna frag some more HL1 source if anyone wants to join.

Search me out. :smile:

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ReNo said:
Last time I played it there were some major differences to HL1 that killed it for me. The ultra-slow MP5 grenades, delay in releasing charged gauss shots, and displacement surfaces damaging you when you try to gauss jump from them were the main issues I had. Sadly I don't think there were ever any updates to fix these problems :sad:

My thoughts exactly. They obviously didn't try to cater this game towards experienced HL1 players - but maybe that's the point, create a filter that keeps all the noob raping 'leet' out. Meh, I wish it were better.

I haven't played any HL-based game except PVK II in ages.

Mayhap I should get back in.

/fires up Op4

i just reinstalled it for the first time since my unfulfilled-so-i-killed-it temper tantrum.....figured id give it a chance.....tbc....

Doc B... :dodgy:

For all its flaws, which I didn't really notice, I had a blast.

Gwil didn't whip me to badly, but he and I had 1st and 2nd place each round. :smile:

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Good fun all round Orph :smile: I wonder if 24/7 Gasworks is still running, I have a taste for HL blood now!

The things I noticed with HL1DM:S

• The guass shoots faster.
• The contact grenades for the MP5 have much more damage
• The water looks prettier, but you cannot see your foes under it for the swirls. :sad:
• You run faster.
• There seems to be some lag, thats not related to ping.
• The pistol is less accurate.
• The hivehand has less tracking ability.
• The Snarks are just as satisfying as always.
• The maps seem darker.
• Crossfires extra entries to the bunker, seal with the door now.

These are just my casual notices and they could be just my perspective not actual facts.

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Look me up and send me an invite sometime orph (granted if im not mapping). I'll gladly play a few rounds of classic DM.

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The contact grenades for the MP5 have much more damage

Yea, those things can wipe out a whole room now :biggrin:

Anyway, I'm glad you reminded us of this game, Orpheus. For all it's little flaws it has a nice mix of oldschool and nostalgia. I might include it in my regular fragging programme. It could actually be a nice game to map for. A small community starts to form around it.

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I wonder... Since its mostly HL1 and not to much Source, would it be worth it to switch SPC to HL1DM:S ?

I mean, SPC won't ever be played for HL1, and Its never gonna see HL2DM, but just how much would have to be altered for HL1DM:S?

The biggest hurdle that presently stands in the way of completing SPC is the compiling. Its a pain, and thats putting it mildly. In fact, pulling teeth is a bit easier.

Anywho, what'cha guys think, can SPC be easily swapped to Source HL1?

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add this to your list, or maybe it's just my imagination:
the jump-pack doesn't carry you as far or as fast

Did we use any custom textures (besides our little plaques)? If we did, then it would be a little awkward; not least because we really ought to ask permission from the authors to do the necessary modifications to the textures. If we used only standard textures I think it's fairly straightforward, as there is (IIRC) a tool that changes all the texture references that point to the WAD files in an HL1 map into the equivelant material references needed for Source. It isn't something I've tried though, so hopefully others can shed some light.

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The only custom content is the signs.wad

Our names and the sign Dave made out my window.

I hoe you're right, it might mean a future for this map. :smile:

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Anywho, what'cha guys think, can SPC be easily swapped to Source HL1?

I think this is what Valve proposed from the very beginning of the Source engine. It's supposed to be very, very easy.

Don't ask me how exactly, but the brushwork and texturing as well as the majority of entities (can't think of an exception, actually) should work perfectly as a Source port.

Of course a few displacement upgrades would be nice. But that's more of an option than a requirement.

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Mapping for HL1:Source is very cool, especially since all the textures are already configged for you, so it's pretty easy to convert an old map from HL1 into Source.

The only real trouble is getting the config set up. It takes more than just downloading and putting the .fgd file in. Plus you have to re-texture the map, but that isn't so hard.

I had to have someone baby-step me through the set up of hammer for HL1:source since I know very little, if any, about coding.

It's also cool to run HL2dm maps in HL1:Source. Converting those is pretty easy. All you need to do is change weapons over to the HL1 weapons and you basically have the same map. I did that with dm_Mesabase as well as dm_dm, and it worked like a charm.

I'll see if I can get the guy who baby-stepped me with the config to write something up to help you guys with your configs if ya want.

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I am interested in any insights you may have. This map, needs a future but, have you seen this puppy? To casually say that I need to retexture it is just mind boggling.

I swear that this is one of the biggest HL1DM maps ever built...

Post anything you feel needs said about source mapping though as I am all ears.

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Well ... if you were going to port it to HL2, you would have to re-texture it ... unless ... I'm not sure if this would work or not, but if you used all the same names and made a VTF (or whatever the f**k it is that is the texture pack now) hammer may map all the textures to the new set, since the names will match. Or maybe it uses an entirely different naming convention so it doesn't even read the texture application data from HL1 maps ... I don't know though! Make a 1 texture pack and see if it works?

That's probably easier than re-texturing the entire thing. I'd say if you were going to re-texture it, you might as well modify it, optimize for source and add more complex architecture. As that'd be the only way you could make it worth it.

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HLDM:S uses fairly low-poly architecture, low-res textures and, most importantly, low-poly weapons and player models. I think the architecture can stay the way it is. Displacements would be nice but I don't think it's a requirement, even aesthetically. Especially if it held back a map from ever being ported.

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I have two questions:

1) Does anyone know if the old bind for "Squat/jump" works with source HL1? (for the jump pack) If so, can you post how to do it.

2) Does increasing your visual forward area still work with source HL1? (You know, changing forward from 90* field of view to 100* or whatever the real numbers are.)

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No idea if they still work, but here's how it used to be...

1)Put the following into your config;
bind SPACE "+lj"
alias "+lj" "+duck;wait;+jump"
alias "-lj" "-duck;wait;-jump"
(grabbed it via google off http://www.highpingbastards.com/)

2) The console command used to be default_fov, IIRC. Try it and see. If that's not right, you can type "find *" and replace the * with a word (in this case "fov") to find console commands in-game, in case you didn't know.

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Thanx Duncan, will work on this tomorrow. I appreciate it.

BTW, I know I am stupid, but wtf does IIRC mean? I see it often, but since everyone assumes its commonly known, no one ever says what it means.

/slow learner

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I've never been told what it means, but I'll just take a guess:

If I Remember Correctly.

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For future reference, Orph, use urban dictionary.
Probably one of the most useful and entertaining sites on the web.

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Thats an interesting read, but it didn't help me much with the acronyms. :sad:

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I think Crono was right about "if I remember correctly".

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Its fairly easy to change the crosshairs for HL1 and HL2, but has anyone figured out how to change them for this yet?

I searched google and barely even come up with anything for HL1DM:S let alone crosshairs.

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was it me or the crossbow doesn't hit "instantaneously" like in HL1 ?

i don't know why in the world they would make changes in the game. it's HL1, not HL2. even if it was source, it's HL1. HALF-LIFE ONE, CRAP!

if it was exactly as HL1, we would have, in other words, a HL1 with a way more powerful engine, and HL1 would be completely obsolete. but NO they made changes. oh maybe they did that so you won't stop playing HL1?