Donnie Darko

I've been meaning to watch it for a while now. Wow, what a weird movie! Anyway, I totally didn't understand the end. I'm not too bright...

There isn't much to understand. he goes back in time and fixes all of the problems he caused; by dying. I agree though, very wierd movie.

I want to see it, because as I hear it ranks up with the great 'intellectual movies' like Fight Club, K-Pax, Usual Suspects, etc.

Yeah, I understand that now. Thanks Tracer.

(My bro explained to me.)

It's a bit freaky, but I'm very glad I saw it. Hilarious scene with the guy watching them. Patrick Swayze put in an uncomfortably good performance. It's a bit more teen-ish than those other movies, I doubt I'd have liked it as much if I saw it in three years.

Aye, very teenage movie with the whole time/death/aeroplane madness concept going on, and it has a fairly decent soundtrack...

I can't say i'm in its legions of devoted followers it gained in 2003 though - good film, but not really that good.

I don't care what anyone says- the whole Love/Fear line teaching session is hilarious.

And as for sound track, Gary Jules' "Mad World" is an awesome song (the one played at the very end).

I agree. I downloaded it right after the movie ended.

Also it the Christmas number 1 here in the UK

/runs

/is sick of hearing that song

i liked it, dont understand how the rabbit came about tho. its the onley thing that puzzles me.
great soundtrack.
a film of the opposite, anyone seen Amelie?

SPOILERThe rabbit was the guy he shot at the end. When the rabbit pulled off the mask, Donnie saw the wound on the guy's eye. Later, after the guy on Halloween gets out of his car to see what just happened, he pulls off his mask and Donnie shoots him in the face. How does he go back in time? Well, how does Donnie? The rabbit essentially instigates all the events required to wind up being shot in the eye - saves Donnie from the falling space parts, the school gets closed so Donnie meets the girl, the fire puts the pedophile behind bars which leads to Donnie's mom having to fly out for the competition instead of that other mom leading to Donnie and his sister having the party. END SPOILER It's a very bizarre web of cause and effect, and that's what makes the movie enjoyable to me.

but he should be dead? balm! thats my point.
(yep, im crazy)

It's an odd message, really - that the world would somehow be bettered had he just not done anything at all, and resigned himself to death.

Diarmaidx2 said:
but he should be dead? balm! thats my point.
(yep, im crazy)

Who ever said he wasn't? Only Donnie can see him, and he doesn't seem to come and go in the way living people do.

Yeah, most people tend to die after getting their eye gutted with a butcher knife

http://donniedarko.com/

Cassius said:
Yeah, most people tend to die after getting their eye gutted with a butcher knife

Or in this case, shot with a gun. :razz:

Sorry to drag this up, but just watched it for the first time- actually a pretty simple film, although had a good laugh over the 'dumbed down' time travel stuff!

But does anyone know what that weird haunting tune that's usually played when he's talking to the rabbit is called/who it's by? It's in the film about 37 minutes through, and a few other times.. fantastic scary tune :biggrin:

OFF TOPIC

i watched a movie "The Butterfly Effect" i highly recommend it to anyone who likes time travel or alternate reality films :biggrin:

And also people who like watching Ashton Kutcher pretend to be an actor.

From what I've seen, that movie's headed straight to the MST3K pile.

Cash Car Star said:
And also people who like watching Ashton Kutcher pretend to be an actor.

From what I've seen, that movie's headed straight to the MST3K pile.

i hate it when i have to do a google search just to decipher comments :sad:

although Ashton Kutcher was a major portion of the movie, and i am not a fan of him, his being there didn't retract from my opinion of the movie.

if you watched it, you musta like it enuff to do so, if you haven't seen it yet, but only previews, then your opinion is flawed. either way, its not really that bad.

I generaly hate time travel moveis because they always ignore the real paradoxical impossibility of changing the past, and that's assuming going back in time was possible, which it isn't. not even theoreticaly.

Tracer Bullet said:
I generaly hate time travel moveis because they always ignore the real paradoxical impossibility of changing the past, and that's assuming going back in time was possible, which it isn't. not even theoreticaly.

at this point, time travel is more a belief than a reality (obviously) but i personally believe it will be discovered as possible someday.

i also believe that altering the past is impossible, cause were it, the moment you conceived its possibility, it would have become reality.

lastly, i believe ALL events, from the beginning of time to the end have already occurred, they are set in stone, its just we haven't caught up to the future ones yet.

strange beliefs for sure, but they are mine none the less... i love almost all time travel films, but my best is Bill and Ted's excellent adventure, the concept of placing the keys behind something in the past, but conceived in the future, for use in the present.. was GREAT :smile:

Tracer Bullet said:
that's assuming going back in time was possible, which it isn't. not even theoreticaly.

Uh... show me a theory/decent hypothesis that says it's not possible?

Anyway, does anyone know the name of the song? Not Mad World, but the scary sounding instrumental.

Hmm, don't know which one you're talking about, but my best guess would be "Liquid Spear Waltz"?

Maybe "Manipulated Living" or "Ave Maria"?

I watched Donnie Darko a few days ago, and thought it was a great film. I wasn't too sure about the whole time-travel stuff, but there was one point: (I'll put it in black in case its considered a spoiler) the rabbit is not affected by time and is able to do anything. Surely these are characteristics of the mind? Anyway, I enjoyed the film a lot. Need to see it again. And hes right too: fear and love are two completely unrelated and complicated things.

[thoughts]How is the rabbit able to travel back in time if he's dead?! There is actually no time travel involved, it's just a bit of a silly film really that's doesn't make sense, but is a great one to watch nonetheless[/thoughts]

Orpheus said:

Cash Car Star said:
And also people who like watching Ashton Kutcher pretend to be an actor.

From what I've seen, that movie's headed straight to the MST3K pile.

i hate it when i have to do a google search just to decipher comments :sad:

C'mon, I thought Ashton Kutcher was a recognizable enough name to make fun of w/o a link.

Seriously though man, if you haven't experienced the old school sci-fi film joy that is MST3K, then you my friend are just missing out COMPLETELY.

As for time travel, well if you believe that time doesn't exist, like I do, then it makes it rather hard to travel through. My theory is matter just is, and then it changes, there is no "time" to move through at all. I also like believing in free will cause it keeps me from getting the Heebie Jeebies so there being no such thing as time is good for that, cause you can't have predestination without time.

As for time travel, my belief is that it cannot exist because of my belief in destiny and lack of free-will. Contradicts Cash Car Star's theory I'm afraid, but my theory is that our own apparent "free-will" and decisions coincide so well with our destiny that we hardly notice.

How can you feel sorry without free will? Emotions become superfluous.

must resist temptation to give a philosophy lesson

Hnngggh.

Emotions are the apparent "cause" of actions, and thus provide a reason for free-will, which doesn't actually exist. Life would be dull without the idea of free-will or emotions, but these are in turn defined by our characters and individual personalities, and we don't have a choice over those (much) - they are controlled by our environment and our upbringing. Thats my theory anyway. Its probably wrong, but what the hey.

/me scratches buttocks..

i have no idea how this went from time to free-will :sad:

anyways, sometime later, as opposed to soon, we need to explore this more.

My good man Siddhartha said in the novel of the same name that every object is at once itself and everything else in the universe, because time is only an illusion.

To my knowledge, nothing is actually created or destroyed, different atoms take shape as various identities, all of which have limited lifetimes. I think this goes a step further: there is nothing that is really new, everything has existed from the beginning, but everything is just a different combination of essential elements and parts of reality.

Thus, over a long enough timeline, different elements of my (then decomposed) self will integrate into other things with other identities, then into others, then into others, over and over again, until I have become everything.

I'm not exactly clear as to why he said that time does not exist, however, but clearly some of you guys do, so I ask you why.

Cassius said:
My good man Siddhartha said in the novel of the same name that every object is at once itself and everything else in the universe, because time is only an illusion.

How does he know every object is 'at once' (despite this seemingly not meaning anything to him) itself and everything in the Universe? I can see what he's saying, but it's a bit mongish/OTT to say there's only one object ever. What's so bad about having, say, 2?

You can have a tree, which is one thing, one object, and when many trees come together you have a forest, which in turn becomes one thing. When you take that forest, and, say, some grassland, you have a countryside, a little more and you have a nation, add more and you have a continent, and this process of grouping repeats on until the universe can be defined through one thing (for Siddhartha, that one thing is Om).

I remember that book.

Does everyone on the West Coast have to read that thing in HS??

No; I read it on my own in the seventh grade and am reading it again now.

Cassius said:
No; I read it on my own in the seventh grade and am reading it again now.

cass, you can make texture AND read too :eek: will wonders never cease

/runs

personally i think reading is the best thing in life one can do for recreation.. i have read about a dozen books in th past 3 months alone.

since we have a whole new bunch of faces, we should dig out our have read lists again soon.. mine.. :rolleyes: well mines so long that someone mentioned my having gone to the library and copying the whole sci-fi/fantasy list

Fair enough, if you believe in spirituality :/