Fallout 1

I have been away for a few months, visiting rarely... But now I'm back.

I have a pirated copy of the first three Fallout games: Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics. Because it's legal in Bulgaria.

I tried to install the first one on my PC running with 64 bit Win 7. But the OS can't install the game, because it's a 16 bit program. Then I tried to install it on an old laptop with 32 bit Win XP. The result was... a Blue Screen of Death. Then I tried making a virtual machine running with Win 98. I guess I'm using a 16 bit version, because it has no sound, 16 colors and small resolution. Installing and running the game was a successes! But the gameplay is on a small window and with no sound.

Fallout 2 runs properly on the laptop, and Tactics runs properly on both machines (PC and laptop).

Does anyone have any suggestions what do I have to do in order to play Fallout 1 properly?

Thanks!

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You aren't missing anything in FA1.
You do know that pirated versions in themselves are unreliable.
That said, I have a box of old games that no longer play so you might have to face the fact that you may never be able to play it.

There used to be a way for win XP to simulate dos and other earlier versions of windows.
I am pretty sure that my old FA1 played on win95/Dos.

Sorry, I know that's no help but its simply been to long. The only bright point is FA1 is not that special. Was at the time though. It looked a lot like Diablo 1

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In windows 7..
Control panel > find and fix problems > Run programs made for previous versions of windows.

Hope that helps.

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Those old games were never designed to run on the resolution of screens we have these days. You'd be better off to try to find a version that someone ported to run on modern systems. Much like how someone added opengl support for the original Doom.

Wait, is it a dos game?

Then have you tried Dosbox yet? It runs almost any DOS game on newer Operating Systems. You can probably install it using Dosbox as well.

I'll spare the details until I know if you have tried that yet, but if not then I'll post some more details.

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System requirements

All
10+ MB free space, mouse[2]
DOS
Pentium 90 MHz, 32 MB RAM, 2x CD-ROM, SVGA, SoundBlaster-compatible sound card.
Win
Pentium 90 MHz, 16 MB RAM, DirectX 3.0a or 5.0, 2x CD-ROM, SVGA, DirectSound-compatible sound card.
Mac
PowerMac, 16 MB RAM, CD-ROM, System 7.1.2.

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Anything that natively ran on Win9X or earlier, you might want to think about emulating at this point in time. Doesn't Windows 7 have a built in virtualization feature?

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I think I fond out what's the problem with the resolution and sound.
As I can recall, Win 98 comes without some important drivers. So now I have to search for them. I need sound and video drivers for now. But I don't know which ones to search for, and where to search for.
Any ideas? Because so far I haven't found anything useful...

"Niborius" said:
Wait, is it a dos game?

Then have you tried Dosbox yet? It runs almost any DOS game on newer Operating Systems. You can probably install it using Dosbox as well.

I'll spare the details until I know if you have tried that yet, but if not then I'll post some more details.

I tried to figure out how to use the program. I failed. Maybe I'm not intelligent enough. And I don't think Fallout is a DOS game. Win95 is older. Fallout has been released in September 30, 1997.

Also, does Win98 really has such laggy drawing system? Or is it the lack of drivers.

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tnkqwe said:
And I don't think Fallout is a DOS game. Win95 is older.

Hold on while I wipe the tears of laughter.

tnkqwe said:
I failed. Maybe I'm not intelligent enough.

I put this here to help you with the first quote.

tnkqwe said:
Also, does Win98 really has such laggy drawing system? Or is it the lack of drivers.

That's odd since until very recently win98 was the gamers choice of opsys for playing games.

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tnkqwe said:
I don't think Fallout is a DOS game. Win95 is older. Fallout has been released in September 30, 1997.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Dude... MSDOS' first release from Microsoft (after they bought it) came out in 1981. Windows was built as a front end for DOS and it stayed that way through the 9x variations. It wasn't until they built the NT kernel that they rebuilt anything since ... ever. (They didn't write DOS originally they bought it)

Case and point: DOS IS OLDER THAN WINDOWS 95 by at least 13 years.

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OK... The fact that Fallout is younger than Win95 doesn't mean that the game is not running on DOS.

But what about the drivers (video and sound drivers)? I really want to play that game. I love Fallout New Vegas (and Fallout 3 can't run on my system for some reason), and I really want to play through the hole storry.

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Fallout 1 is a game that runs on Dos AND Windows, there's dual binaries. The game came out in 1997, this is the same year Windows 98 came out. So, I don't know what this nonsense of Windows and DOS age is about.

A lot of old Windows games need compatibility fixes to run on newer versions of Windows, and those compatibility modes don't do the job.

You can choose to run it in DOS mode through a DOS emulator, like DosBox. Or you can hunt down some compatibility instructions like these: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1591477 to try to get it running properly natively.

Drivers really have no baring.

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Crono said:
Drivers really have no baring.

Yeah seriously. Adam is right about this much. Drivers afaik are always backward compatable. So if you have the newest video and audio drivers your troubles are elsewhere.

Like I said. I have a box full of games (that I bought people) that no longer play. You really need to look into an emulator. I just never cared because I played them all to death.

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tnkqwe said:

"Niborius" said:
Wait, is it a dos game?

Then have you tried Dosbox yet? It runs almost any DOS game on newer Operating Systems. You can probably install it using Dosbox as well.

I'll spare the details until I know if you have tried that yet, but if not then I'll post some more details.

I tried to figure out how to use the program. I failed.

It's not that hard, you just have to have done it once and then you can do it for all of your games without any difficulties.

It's just about mounting drives like C: and going to the right directory and just type the name of the .exe there. Quick example:

If a game is installed in c:\games\fallout\

you should type in Dosbox:

mount c c:\games\fallout [spaces are not allowed by the way]
Press enter, type 'C:', press enter, and then type the name of the .exe file (and press enter again)

I believe installing works kinda the same, though you might need to use the imgmount command. Try to google it, I am not really able to explain it very well, and my English today isn't that good either as you may have noticed

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Orpheus said:
Drivers afaik are always backward compatable. So if you have the newest video and audio drivers your troubles are elsewhere.

That's not how they work. Drivers have NO baring on this.

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Anyway...
You said the EXACT same thing I did so quoting it again served no purpose other than to look like an ass.
One of these days, I'm gonna collect on all the back of the head slaps I owe you.

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You're saying that because drivers are always backwards compatible there is not a compatibility issue there, but somewhere else. Your statement implies that drivers have a baring on how well an old game will work. They don't. It has to do with APIs, not hardware drivers.

I was saying that drivers don't even enter the conversation at all.

Those are not the same statements, literally, metaphorically, or through inference.

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Nope. Not what I said, or intimated.
You misunderstood.
I gotta hand it to you. When you read things wrong, you're tough about admitting it.
All I said was, there was no way that drivers was the problem.
/subject while your behind. :P

Let me say it once more SO YOU CANNOT MISUNDERSTAND.
/SUBJECT

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Guys, I asked a question and NO one is answering me with answers like:

Sorry we can't help you because <put reason here>.

or

Yes I know how it's done! You have to do this, this and this.

I'm only receiving replies like:

Stop trying! Do <an alternate way> instead.

or

I think <opinion>, <opinion> and <opinion> about what are trying to do.

and

No, I don't think that your opinion is right, <username>.

and

No, I am right. You are misunderstanding me.

I know that there are emulators. But I want to use a virtual machine. Not an emulator. If I want to try to use an emulator, I'll post a reply or a new thread.
If you are going to discus something that is not answering my question, then make a new thread.

Huh... Maybe I shouldn't have written that I'm trying to run a game.

So, can you tell me what drivers to use on the virtual machine that uses Win98, or not?
I think that the VGA and the sound card are integrated according to the virtual machine.
Win98 is so old that even Google can't find anything...

Oh, by the way, let me remind this:

I tried to install the first one on my PC running with 64 bit Win 7. But the OS can't install the game, because it's a 16 bit program. Then I tried to install it on an old laptop with 32 bit Win XP. The result was... a Blue Screen of Death.

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OK, these are the facts.

1) Fallout 1 played just fine when it was released. If your copy is a good copy it will play as well.

2) Fallout 1 was designed to play on windows 95/98 and DOS.

3) IF you have a machine that has one of those three operating systems on it, it will play.

4) Windows no longer updates win 95/98 but I heard once that the newest updates are still archived. They were current when they stopped updating.

Lastly, I am pretty sure all your questions were answered. Adam is damned good at certain things.

You still not have ascertained if your copy is a viable copy. But these steps will get a good copy going.

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To be honest ... I'm not sure why you want to virtualize it anyway ... Fallout 1 has patches and hacks to make it run naitively on Windows 7 x64.

Just start searching for "Fallout 1 Win 7 hacks". A lot of people suggest the HD pack fixes things, there's also registry fixes.

In any case ... if you want to set up a virtual environment ... get a copy of Windows 98 and set it up! No one is stopping you from doing that. But you should be aware, everything will be running off the CPU (it's virtual)

DosBox is a GOOD option. You shouldn't shrug it off just because you don't want to emulate an environment (by the way, saying you don't want an emulator, but you do want a virtual machine is nonsense, they're practically the same thing)

You have three options under your current OS: patch it so it runs naitively, use a dos emulator, or create a windows 9x virtual environment. You're going to have to choose which you want, and research how to do it. The only one that's a simple answer is DosBox, you're going to have to do the legwork yourself otherwise.

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tnkqwe said:
Guys, I asked a question and NO one is answering me with answers like:

Sorry we can't help you because <put reason here>.

or

Yes I know how it's done! You have to do this, this and this.

Its funny how you missed my post entirely that address your first complaint:

Those old games were never designed to run on the resolution of screens we have these days. You'd be better off to try to find a version that someone ported to run on modern systems. Much like how someone added opengl support for the original Doom.

Also why don't you spend the 10$ (US) to buy the game on steam that works:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/38400/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

I mean seriously, you can save all the time by spending 10$, which isn't that much.

Also HAHA: found this in like... 2 seconds on google, 2 min to download the game, 1 min to find DOS box for MacOSX 10.6 and download it, 1 min to install it, and I was playing the game:

http://forum.i3d.net/full-games-demos/20520-free-game-fallout.html

I know you said you don't want to emulate it, but technically it's illegal (like more illegal than needlessly pirating a game) to virtualize Windows 95 without a licence.

Crono said:
To be honest ... I'm not sure why you want to virtualize it anyway ... Fallout 1 has patches and hacks to make it run naitively on Windows 7 x64.

Just start searching for "Fallout 1 Win 7 hacks". A lot of people suggest the HD pack fixes things, there's also registry fixes.

In any case ... if you want to set up a virtual environment ... get a copy of Windows 98 and set it up! No one is stopping you from doing that. But you should be aware, everything will be running off the CPU (it's virtual)

DosBox is a GOOD option. You shouldn't shrug it off just because you don't want to emulate an environment (by the way, saying you don't want an emulator, but you do want a virtual machine is nonsense, they're practically the same thing)

You have three options under your current OS: patch it so it runs naitively, use a dos emulator, or create a windows 9x virtual environment. You're going to have to choose which you want, and research how to do it. The only one that's a simple answer is DosBox, you're going to have to do the legwork yourself otherwise.

I'm glad I am not alone that Dosbox is a good option. I also searched if Fallout 1 is compatible with Dosbox and it seems to be 100% compatible.

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Legal and illegal are terms with tones of meaning. In this case, some people find it legal to share a commercial product with others. In the Internet a single person buys software and shares it with others by making copies (but it gets illegal in every way when a free copy is used for commercial usage). The one who shares earns NOTHING from sharing. But others find this sharing illegal (they are mostly greedy (many of the developers) or foolish enough to believe in the greedy people). Thous other people call it "Internet piracy".

I have already installed the game with successes on a virtual machine. It is running with no problems. But the machine has LOW RESOLUTION and NO SOUND, because there are NO drivers. And I want to play Fallout 1 in a bigger window and with sound.

All questions about "problems with Fallout 1" I have seen around the Internet are about the colors. They HAVE installed the game. I can't even run the setup on Win7 x64 (tells me that the OS doesn't support such x16 program) nor on WinXP x32 (it goes in a condition known as "The blue screen of death").

Using DosBox? Well... After some exploration I found that the setup programs for Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 are inside folders called "Fallout 1" and "Fallout 2". DosBox can get confused with the "space" symbols. And I don't know what might happen if I try making a copy of the first folder. The two games are inside one ISO file.

That's why I'm trying with a virtual machine. And so far I have one good advice:

"Orpheus" said:
4) Windows no longer updates win 95/98 but I heard once that the newest updates are still archived. They were current when they stopped updating.

This will take some searching.

omegaslayer, I think I missed your opinion because it did not answer my question. Telling me that an old game is not created for a big screen is not an answer. It's just a fact that can't help me in any way.

So my question is:
Where to search for VGA and sound card drivers for a virtual machine that runs with Windows 98 SE?

Does any one has an ideas?

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Legal and illegal are terms with tones of meaning. In this case, some people find it legal to share a commercial product with others. In the Internet a single person buys software and shares it with others by making copies (but it gets illegal in every way when a free copy is used for commercial usage). The one who shares earns NOTHING from sharing. But others find this sharing illegal (they are mostly greedy (many of the developers) or foolish enough to believe in the greedy people). Thous other people call it "Internet piracy".

I think its pretty foolish to try to pirate something when you can get it so damn cheap on steam, then complain that its not working 100%.

Also math: You've spent.... 3 days.... probably 2-3 hours total (Conservatively, install times, research, downloading...) trying to get this to work. Now I don't know what the minimum wage is in your country is, but here in America its about 4.10$ (bare minimum), 3hours * 4.10$ = 12.30 - 2$ in taxes (lol feds take everything), and your at 10$ which you could spend on steam on a game that works...

tnkqwe said:
Using DosBox? Well... After some exploration I found that the setup programs for Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 are inside folders called "Fallout 1" and "Fallout 2". DosBox can get confused with the "space" symbols. And I don't know what might happen if I try making a copy of the first folder. The two games are inside one ISO file.

1) I have no idea what you mean by space symbols... Do you mean the folder is named "falout 1" (as in theres a space?). But you try a command "cd fallout 1" but it fails? Well yeah of course it does, you put a space to the command without quoting. You can try "cd "fallout 1"" (don't type the outside quotes)

2) You don't know what will happen if you copy the first folder? So you want to solve the problem, but you're not willing to experiment to try to fix it?

3) You can copy files out of iso files. WinRAR does this pretty easily.

omegaslayer, I think I missed your opinion because it did not answer my question. Telling me that an old game is not created for a big screen is not an answer. It's just a fact that can't help me in any way.

You said:

Sorry we can't help you because <put reason here>.

Which was answering this delema. We can't help you because the version for the game you got wasn't designed to work on the newer operating systems. But if you get an updated version then it shouldn't be a problem. OR if you try DOS Box

So my question is:
Where to search for VGA and sound card drivers for a virtual machine that runs with Windows 98 SE?

Try this. But in all seriousness, virtual machines provide minimal hardware diversity to cause problems such as needing to search for drivers. You can go to the device manager and check if the soundcard and video card are installed, if they are, HEY you have the driver!!

In the off chance that you don't, well you might be shit out of luck, its difficult to find Windows 2000 drivers these days.

Don't know if this will help or if you've tried it already:

This is for windows XP.

Copy the entire Fallout CD to the hard drive, then activate Win 95 compatibility on every exe file before installing, and again using Win 95 mode on every exe in the installed game folder.

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OmegaSlayer, it's even worse than that a full digital DRM free Windows version of Fallout 1 is available from GoG.com for $5.99.

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I have just tried using DosBox! The Setup program can't run with DosBox. The emulator's error message is "This program cannot be run in DOS mode". Which means that DosBox can't help in this case.

Crono said:
OmegaSlayer, it's even worse than that a full digital DRM free Windows version of Fallout 1 is available from GoG.com for $5.99.

Wow! I can BUY a FREE game? Since when? The last place I have seen something like this was on an atlas: "Free copy. Costs <some money>".

I have tried using Google. But I couldn't find anything. I have checked the devices. There are no drivers. Or maybe I'm not searching right.

Other suggestions?

P.S. I found a VirtualBox topic about it. Looks promising.

EDIT:

Now I have sound!

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tnkqwe said:
I have just tried using DosBox! The Setup program can't run with DosBox. The emulator's error message is "This program cannot be run in DOS mode". Which means that DosBox can't help in this case.

FYI That is not the only way dosbox can run programs. There is also an imgmount command as I mentioned earlier!

Edit:
Also makes me go back to my previous post: [quote="Niborius"]I also searched if Fallout 1 is compatible with Dosbox and it seems to be 100% compatible.[/quote]

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tnkqwe said:

Crono said:
OmegaSlayer, it's even worse than that a full digital DRM free Windows version of Fallout 1 is available from GoG.com for $5.99.

Wow! I can BUY a FREE game? Since when? The last place I have seen something like this was on an atlas: "Free copy. Costs <some money>".

...

Other suggestions?

A few, but I think they'd upset you.

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OK... I have sound now. All that remains are VGA drivers. Universal VGA drivers. Can someone suggest universal drivers? And I'll need some instructions too.

I have tried installing other drivers without success. It needs "Windows 9x VBEMP Driver Disk". I don't have one. And I can't find this disk anywhere.

Can you suggest one?

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tnkqwe said:
Wow! I can BUY a FREE game? Since when? The last place I have seen something like this was on an atlas: "Free copy. Costs <some money>".

I have no idea why you think its "free." Its not.