new .smd refence

its a bit radical i was changing some gordon arms in 1st person view of weapons (v_model.mdl) and i came across the POV (Point of View) mod and figured id make my own set of alien slave arms but the skeleton has 3 fingers on the hand unlike human hands. after an hour in milkshape i made the .smd with 5 joints instead of 11 normal ones. i then complied the model on a hi def v_9mmhandgun. I had a number of issues including he wasnt holding the gun it was floating, all my textures did not correctly line up with the joints they were bent out of shape

whats wrong

capitalization and punctuation

no really

u dont need grammar in .smd files

yep, really.

The animations for the model may be set up wrong and you're seeing the backfaces on the model

i didnt animate anything i just modified the hands reference

the gun is fine but my arms r mutated

Then you probably have some of the backfaces on the wrong side of your faces, so they become invisible faces.

u dont understand the arms messed up more specificly the arm textures arent attached in game and the backfaces are facing away from the screen

Knare said:
its a bit radical i was changing some gordon arms in 1st person view of weapons (v_model.mdl) and i came across the POV (Point of View) mod and figured id make my own set of alien slave arms but the skeleton has 3 fingers on the hand unlike human hands. after an hour in milkshape i made the .smd with 5 joints instead of 11 normal ones. i then complied the model on a hi def v_9mmhandgun. I had a number of issues including he wasnt holding the gun it was floating, all my textures did not correctly line up with the joints they were bent out of shape

whats wrong

all that can be make out from what you've posted, is that you tried to edit some v_model, and it messed up. i would hazard a guess that you either made your own skeleton, or imported and then moved/rotated an existing one.

i'll try not to miss anything.

put the v_model and the slave in a folder together. decompile all of the v_model, and the textures and triangles of the slave.

now, in milkshape, import the v_model ref.smd. [triangles and skeleton]

BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO MOVE OR ROTATE ANY OF THE SKELETON, while you delete the gordon arms.

now import the slave, triangles only. delete all of the slave, exept fpr the arm bits that you want.

move/scale/rotate the arms so that they fit onto the skeleton. DO NOT MOVE THE SKELETON.

once you have done this, you will need to assign the vertices to whatever seems the best placed joint, and export it all as the reference.smd.

the problem is that the slave has only 3 fingers, the lack of bones is my issue here

Pictures man, pictures!

the bones that you dont use wont matter.

they are already in the default animations, so leave them in the reference. they wont do any harm.

[edit] the lack of bones where?[/edit]

[simg]C:/User Transer/titled.bmp[/simg]
here look 4 ur self

we cant see pics that are stored on your hard drive. they need to be uploaded to webspace.

, and they should not be BMPs :/

lol, www.imageshack.us will host your JPEG images (Look up Irfanview if you need a program to convert it to jpg)

Even MSpaint is capable of outputting jpegs, even if they are somewhat poorly optimized.


Imageshack is the bomb

In case you want that third alien arm to move correctly, you're going
to have to modify the skeleton, wich also means you'll have to redo
each animation...

lol
here

notice how he's not holding on to it and its just floating as well as the appearance of the arms

it inst the 3rd arm im worried about because its not shown
its the three fingers (not 5) it has thats screwing it up

btw bio i have photoshop

and here the skeleton i edited in milkshape



notice the arms, the joints i made

i was working with knare with this and this is what we came up with:



as u can c, its the gordon skeleton and the alien slave arms over it

also, it isnt perfect yet, and were not done with it

and thank u fishy, ur idea worked

no problem.

the 1st time i tried to edit a player model, i moved the skeleton to help fit the skin over it. when i compiled it, it looked like a teleporter accident.

so any time you want to edit a model, whatever you do, don't move the skeleton or you will need to make all new animations for it too.

lol

i did some more work and fitted the arms with the crossbow

fishy u solved this problem
Thank you!

see another model (not that good):

That's actually pretty cool.
(the Alien w/ crossbow)

its bad and not finished and he doesnt hold it right but the reload is sweet
(wit the magnum)

maybe soon ill distributing those .mdl's

To make the alien hand fit with the weapons better, you might consider
editing the mesh itself a bit... the way it is now, it doesn't really
look like he's holding the weapon very thight.

i was wonder if some1 knew how to fix this:



it may look right but when i reload i get



whats wrong?

i added the oppsoing force arms onto the HD rpg

and the original output was the rpg launcher w/ rocket about 5 feet behind the hands, so i moved up the rpg, but not touching the bones

edit

heres the ms3d left view

you're really not giving enough info for anyone to know where you went wrong, but at a guess, i'd say that you've tied vertices to the wrong joints.

in the ms pic, i can see joints in the arm that wouldn't normally be there, so to make sure that you assign to the right joints, do this;

load up the original v_model_ref.smd that you want to put the new arms on. dont delete the old arms yet.

import the new arms, and place them somewhere that they dont get in the way. positioning them to the same pose as the old arms will help further on.

now click on the 'joints' tab, and select a joint. hit the 'cell assigned' button to find out what vertices are assigned to the joint. this will highlight vertices in the old arm.

now select the equivalent vertices in the new arms, and tie them to the same joint.

do this with each of the joints.

once you've tied all the new vertices to the old bones, move the new arms into position, using the old ones as a guide.

delete the old arms and texture reference, and any leftover groups.

export, overwriting the old ref.smd, and compile.

is it possible 2 add a joint and not screw the bone structure?

it is, but it's also pointless unless you're going to make new animations too.

if you add a new joint, coming from say the elbow, and tie some vertices to it, then the vertices will move just the same as they would if you'd just tied them to the elbow in the first place.

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[sry the pic came out bad]