Wierd white lines in when playing map

Wierd white lines in when playing map

Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by CPS on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 5:18am
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When I go play the map at some angles wierd white lines or dots pop up on some objects. I checked out my map on my friends computer too and same there. Here are 3 pictures where you can see the problem, though it is alot more noticable when playing.

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I think this also used to happen at times when I made HL2 maps also. Anyone experienced this or have any ideas on it?
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by ReNo on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 6:14pm
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I'm only really posting in this to bump it (kinda fallen below other
posts and people may not notice it). I've not had the issue but it
looks a bit troublesome. Are the lines appearing at the seams between
two brushes, or just somewhere in the middle of brushes? Are they
appearing at the point where a texture repeats or just somewhere in the
middle of the texture?
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by Vahn on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 6:19pm
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I get that sometimes as well .... it happens only at seams where brushes meet and depends on the angle u look at it
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by Night-Wolf on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 6:50pm
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maybe try extending the brushes just the smallest amount into each other?
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by ReNo on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 7:00pm
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Eeek, don't you dare! Overlapping brushes is a bad move except in a select few circumstances.
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by Captain P on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 7:08pm
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I'd like to know... does this also happen in other (official) maps, or only in this map?
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by CPS on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 7:14pm
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It seems like it only happens when textures repeats or corners of brushes, but that 3rd picturse the white line is not even straight, and it is moving diagonal. As far as I can remember it only happens in custom maps, I will go play CS:S and check right now if i can find anything like it in a regular map. I know that I had this problem in HL1 custom maps also, I am going to try some stuff and get back to you guys.
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by Neural Scan on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 7:17pm
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Does it happen in custom maps not made by you? It might be something to do with compiling... Not that I know anything about it :leper:
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by ReNo on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 7:21pm
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I'll take a look at the map on my computer and see if I can see the
lines if you like - I know your friend checked it too but can't hurt to have more
checks. You could also try a CS:S custom (non-trivial) map made by
somebody else to see if they appear. I'll send you one if you like.
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by CPS on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 7:41pm
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So I just went and checked de_dust and my map, and it does happen in both. But I did figure out what causes the problem, it is Anti-Aliasing, when it was off I had no white lines on either of the maps. I played around with AF and that did not affect the white lines, it was only AA. But turning off AA (2x) makes the graphics ALOT worse, its a must for me. I play with 2x AA and 8x AF and get about 45 FPS. I have a 9800 Pro with the latest drivers. The only other setting I could think of affecting it is Vsync, but I am pretty sure it was like that before I had it on, I will go check right now though. If you have an ATI card and want to see if you get the same problem, turn on AA, go to de_dust, spawn ct and go to the "dark room" on that first entrance the lines are pretty visible for me, and in the room where the floors and the walls meet it is visible.
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by CPS on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 7:53pm
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Without Vsync it was hardly there, but I still saw it, but also my FPS was 15 without Vsync on (2x AA 8x AF). Then I turned on Vsync and my fps went back up to 45, but then I could see the lines more. BTW they flicker and move around depending on how far and the angles you look at them.

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Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by FroSt on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 10:52pm
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<!--StartFragment -->im pretty sure its driver related, for instance on nvidia cards updating to the 66.93 drivers seems to remove those lines or at least cuts down on them somewhat i found

not sure about ATI cards though
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by satchmo on Thu Nov 25th 2004 at 11:39pm
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I've had the same problem in almost all of my custom maps. I just accepted it as a side-effect of 3D hardware rendering. My fiance, however, was disturbed by these strange white dotted lines. I tried overlapping brushes, but it doesn't solve this problem (and overlapping brushes gets on my nerves too).

I did notice that, in general, when you approach the junction of two brushes, the lines tend to disappear. It's only visible when the player is at some distance from the junction of brushes.

I have a Radeon 9200, by the way. (I know, really old, but I'm stuck with it for now).
Re: Wierd white lines in when playing map Posted by Naklajat on Fri Nov 26th 2004 at 2:40am
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i get the lines as well if AA is turned on with my fx5200, but i also get 20 fps... so needless to say i dont use AA.