Carving doors??

I hear that carving in walls for making an area fo a door is a bad idea!?!? Please tell me if it is a bad idea to carve...well if it is...wat is another way i can do to make a hole in a wall???...i mean i have a wall that is made and textured...then i thought of making a door to another area...shouldnt i carve.??...all i know that if u want to make a hole in the wall that is already made u can carve in it...but after i head that its a bad way...im lost and dunno how to do it...

Using carve is sometimes a bad idea, especially if you're going to carve through complex geometry. That often leads to way more brushes than you need to make the doorway. In older versions of Hammer carving occaisonally created geometry with leaks in it as well, but I'm not sure whether that's still true.

However, if used under the right circumstances carving can be a simple way to save time when you just want a rectangular hole through a rectangular brush, even better if the hole adjoins the edge of the brush (making the carve not a hole but a notch).

The real key is not to get lazy and use carve for everything, as simple holes through walls are not very interesting doorways. Eventually you probably want to have doorframes or arches, and your walls may have trim or other complex features. In those cases it would be a bad idea to use carve to create your doorways.

oh...but wats the other way of making holes other than carbing??

use seperate brushes , build them around your door, or use clip tool, and then when you used clip tool you often need to optimeze the wall by deleting and rescaling some blocks.

seperate brushes is the easeist way for a simple wall

i think theres a good clip tool tutorials around here somewhere (egirs site if it aint on snrakpit)

Yea you dont "make a hole in the brush you simply make brushes around your hole.

i can tell you did not search this topic out cause, there are enough comments to melt your hard drive posted on this site alone about the effects of carving.

please use the search option for its intended purpose. :sad:

LOL....down orph.....good boy.....

Doc B... :dodgy:

yes, it is a gr4eat tool if you know its quirks and byproducts......this is the crux of it....

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[size=13][color=#ffffff]especially if you're going to carve through complex geometry.[/color][/size]

Doc B... :dodgy:

sorry orph...but i need to ask a question of mine... :wink:

Carve=bad its as simple as that its much easier to use the clip tool,
and clip out the brushes. Reals case is okay for carving, but even then
thats really streaching it, because no matter what you dont have power
over where the carving tool cuts the brushes.

The case of the matter is as your starting off as a mapper, dont use
carve, use the clip tool and resize things, then slowly work your way
into the carve tool, I use it from time to time (like how REAL stated)
but even then its very minimal. I can give you the whole lecture of
hammer's orgin and tell you why that tool is there, but that would take
too long. Carve=bad I dont care what anyone else says, never use it
when starting out.

Good note for clipping, ctril+S changes clip mode so you dont delete those precious Brushes... :razz:

I'm a new mapper and I agree, carve just isn't as versatile as the clip tool. The main problem I have with carve is that it sometimes breaks up the brushes in a haphazard manner, plus in my experience Hammer still treats the broken-up brush as a single entity, rather than separate brushes. That means it's nigh impossible to optimize the size or shape of the brush fragments in the wall you carved into.

What I usually do is make the brush for the door, then place it on my wall where I wish to have it. Then I use the clip tool to cut out the shape of the door, which also lets you make complex doorways that look better than just a simple square hole in a wall.

you can hit the "broken-up-brush-entity" with a CTRL+U and itll turn it into separate brushes.

if it's like that vertext can save you :smile:

i use vertex for all shaping and re-scaling and optimizing

I agree with carving being bad. But don't forget to tie your brushes that make up your doorframe to the entity func_detail. Especially if it's a complex doorway.

ok ok...thanks guys, but the problem is that you cant make a hole in a wall using the clipping tool, i mean a hole in a shape of a circle...or is it easy??..if it is please some 1 lead me to a website who can explain it to me :smile:

Good note for clipping, ctril+S changes clip mode so you dont delete those precious Brushes... :razz:

thought it was SHIFT+X

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<DIV class=quotetext>ok ok...thanks guys, but the problem is that you cant make a hole in a wall using the clipping tool, i mean a hole in a shape of a circle..if it is please some 1 lead me to a website who can explain it to me :smile: </DIV></DIV>

I dont think that i can actually do the hole thing in a wall using the clipping tool right???...

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I dont think that i can actually do the hole thing in a wall using the clipping tool right???...

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not really, you must make the hole out of brushes, but you can clip the pieces that will eventually make the frame, assuming the hole is a door. you can clip the edges if you want debris, assuming its a blasted hole. you can clip all sorts of things to make unique shapes for your hole.

ok thanks Orpheus, but now imagine i did the hole with prop_static stuff (debris) now when people actually go inside the hole, they would find that the hole is made of squares when looking at the edges...can u clip the angles to appear more like a circular hole???...like a cave for example, i followed one of the tutorials here that explain making realistic tunnels and caves, but all i get at the end is bunch of circles flying through air, it wont make a realistic hole, i dont know if im missing something, but i really wish if there is a tutorial or and website or any 1 here that can help me in this problem...thanks...

mapping is pretty much 100% trial and error. you seem to have a bit more error than most, but not tragically so.

my main issue is you seem to type your sentences with a reckless abandon for confusing me. how can things fly around?

i suggest you make test maps. small things that will compile fast. make your holes in them and perfect the process before you attempt it in your main map.

also, please work on your sentence structure, you are making people not want to help you. :sad:

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<DIV class=quotetext> 1 ---my main issue is you seem to type your sentences with a reckless abandon for confusing me. how can things fly around?
2 ---also, please work on your sentence structure, you are making people not want to help you. :sad:

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1--- I mean that ( in hammer) after clicking on subdivide, instead of blending the box edges together, they just turn into circles ( the same as when u do a normal small box, then u click subdivide it turns into a ball) But this time bigger :sad: , thats the problem in subdivide tool with me..
regarding 2--- What do you mean in working on my sentence structure??...and how does it affect people for helping me or not???

i cannot answer #1, i haven't looked into it yet.

and #2.. someone else will have to explain i suppose. :sad:

Well please check #1 please...regarding #2, would you head straight to the point of this message??

thanks