Taking Bulls**t laws to new heights

i fully expect the anti-gun wierdo's to jump all over this one, but its not the gun's guys, its the laws governing them ..

make my day

im still letting this one soak in a bit.....rather stunning...

Doc... :dodgy:

after reading this i am stalled..

in the one hand, the dead guy had his reasons, and should have never expected to be shot, but on the other hand, if he was standing on someone else's property and threatening with a board??? i dunno, i am torn between what i would do and not do..

i doubt i would have shot him, but i promise when i was done, he would cringe just looking at my porch, let alone standing upon it..

dead lasts a long time, forever in fact, but a good ass whipping leave a lasting impression and if done properly, a lesson learned..

i don't think shooting was the answer.

There's nothing 'weird' about being anti-gun.

In the UK we don't have the same high distribution of firearms so when we see something about a shooting - it's simply a case of 'should just ban the damn things'. It's not that we don't understand the laws behind them, it's because to many of us - it's just that we don't see them in everyday use.

I can understand why someone might shoot another in extreme circumstances, and I can accept that in some cases (especially in the good ol' US of A), it's more or less crazy not to have a gun for protection. I'm waffling anyway :rolleyes:

Guns are bad, mmmkay :wink: Besides, you can't beat a good old plank of wood with a nail in the end :biggrin:

visualize.....

a large man, pissed off to what degree, standing on my front porch, yelling and screaming at me.....in the heat of argument, he takes a swing at my front door, breaking my glass....at that point, i have a decision to make...is he coming after me and my family next?.....in a split second, you make that decision.....the deed is done....under this scenario, i almost understand the mans want to protect him and his....now, how much time to make that decision is a key question in my mind...did i have my shotgun sitting by the door, in anticipation of this event?......thats premeditation by my mind, and the man should be punished for no less than manslaughter....

did i run and get my shotgun out of the guncase, where all responsible gun owners should have them stowed, because i felt physically threatened?....in that case, it could be construed as self defense, but still isnt a completely plausible reason....i had time to at least think about it for a few seconds....a warning shot probably would have sufficed.....either way, it certainly deserves further speculation, investigation, and if necessary, reinactment to cover all the possible bases.....ive only touched on a couple possibilities here, but you see the dillemma...in Nebraska, a would be attacker must physically be in your home with intant to do bodily harm, and only then in extreme cases would the courts throw out a case such as this.....i think it was done prematurely, and THAT is the big screwup here....

.....but i could be wrong....

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

to be continued.....

not to get off topic, but this is the one that kills me....(no pun intended) :smile:

http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap11-12-071309.asp?t=apnew&vts=111220030730

utterly f**king amazing.....gun reform needs to be addressed....most definately....and i am a gun owner too...

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

SINCE we have all already established our position on guns, banning or otherwise, i would really rather it not degrade to that AGAIN, but the question remains, did he deserve to die? (the method used is totally irrelevant)

people are much like dogs in the respect that if they do not survive the encounter, they do not learn a damned thing by it.. a dog chases a car, gets hit, dies.. end of story. sadly the encounter is lost upon the dog, and even in the rare cases the dog survives the encounter, the damned thing might just do it again.

but people, if they die, don't even have the chance to learn from it.. i think he deserved some sort of an encounter, whether his dog was indeed shot by the other fella or not, but as doc said, the guy admitted to placing the shotgun within ease of reach, thats premeditated in my book as well.

its just another bit of proof, albeit a poor example, that the anti-gun nuts are right.. whatever happened to defending your rights by might?

if you are a pansy, avoid that ass-whipping, but don't resort to shooting, its just wrong on so many levels.

now if the guy had entered his home, forcibly entered it, UNINVITED, it doesn't matter IMO if it was premeditated, SHOOT THE BASTARD, for his audacity in invading his home and sancturary..

the lines were there, both crossed them, and one died..

gosh, i have never seen the whole online in one topic before.. its scary :eek:

I'm hardly pro-gun, but under those circumstances, if some nutter came into my home with malicious intent and I had a gun at hand - I think it quite likely that he would have a rather natty hole somewhere in his/her body.

Would I be able to live with myself afterwards though? Probably not - even if the perpetrator was the most evil bastard in the world, I would feel really really bad about what I had done :sad:

I guess either way it's not good. I say replace all guns with potatoes.

/me pictures huge potato fight with my neighbors....

the scars may well be.....un bearable...../ill attempt to lighten a very sore subject.... :biggrin:

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

In the UK here we have the following relevant laws (I think...):

1. An assault is commited if a reasonable person would fear being hit. The offence of battery is commited if you actually come into contact with somebody.

2. The following defences are some which may be ued in court: insanity (?!?!?), diminished responsibility, duresss (i.e. you were forced to), duress of circumstances (e.g. a woman threatened to kill herself if her husband didn't drive somebody somewhere, even though he had no driving license. He pleaded duress of circumstances and was let off).

These might be helpful for you :smile:

Dr Brasso said:
/me pictures huge potato fight with my neighbors....

the scars may well be.....un bearable...../ill attempt to lighten a very sore subject.... :biggrin:

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

being from the country, i can imagine better uses for those potatoes my friend.. vodka tonic anyone?

Vodka tonic? Sounds good, but you'd have to wait for the potatoes to ferment....by which time I could have enjoyed throwing a whole field of potatoes at people.

It's a difficult decision :biggrin:

ROFLMAO!!!...yepper, i have to second that one Orph... :biggrin:

im glad you guys see the humor, even if it is invented....

Doc B... :dodgy:

Adam Hawkins said:
Vodka tonic? Sounds good, but you'd have to wait for the potatoes to ferment....by which time I could have enjoyed throwing a whole field of potatoes at people.

It's a difficult decision :biggrin:

don't you just hate it when that happens :heee:

Adam Hawkins said:
I'm hardly pro-gun, but under those circumstances, if some nutter came into my home with malicious intent and I had a gun at hand - I think it quite likely that he would have a rather natty hole somewhere in his/her body.

Would I be able to live with myself afterwards though? Probably not - even if the perpetrator was the most evil bastard in the world, I would feel really really bad about what I had done :sad:

I guess either way it's not good. I say replace all guns with potatoes.

Me thinks fondly of my potato gun.

I'm absolutly shocked by this incident, there are three junctures where a call to the police would have ended the whole dispute.

A. when the dog was barking excessivly.

B. when the one man shot the dog.

C. when the angrey dog owner came to the door.

the fact that none of these opertunities were taken says one thing to me: rednecks to stupid to remain alive.

rednecks sounds to regional bud.. stupid stuff like this happens all over..

redneck is colloquialism, meaning, due south..

just a quick question. if i may: has anyone even read the link i provided?....to me, that is a blatant miscarriage of justice..../just my opinion....

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

Dr Brasso said:
just a quick question. if i may: has anyone even read the link i provided?....to me, that is a blatant miscarriage of justice..../just my opinion....

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

i saw it on the tube.. the guy has to much money.. isnt he the guy who "accidentally" killed the fella and chopped him apart?

yep......even his brother says hes a freakin maniac.....excuse me..."madman".... ...f**kin bizarre s**t man....

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

/me does not take part in this conversation :smile:

scary_jeff said:
/me does not take part in this conversation :smile:

/me thanx you, but would have been highly interested in your responce.. send a PM if you don't trust yourself to remain civil :biggrin:

I have to say this, and I dont mean anything bad about this but...

Only in America...

actually wildman, that is not the case.....if we take this to the extremes, there are manics by the thousnads who are not even tried in other countries....2 more cents worth....

Doc Brass....

that is true, I wont deny. But I only ever hear comming from the States. But I am aware it happends elsewhere.

Wild Card said:
I have to say this, and I dont mean anything bad about this but...

Only in America...

see, this is exactly why topics cannot remain civil.. even in jest, or in an un-aggressive way, this sentence doesn't belong in here..

i know you mean it to not sound mean, but its highly offensive, and i am a mild person about gun control.. i know many who are vehement about it..

why do people always have to reduce topics to points of origin :sad:

i could say something really mean and nasty at this point, but, i abstain from further....umm....whats the friggin word......comment will suffice....

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

ai. Will shuddup now.

Wild Card said:
ai. Will shuddup now.

sighs

we all seem to go from one extreme to the other, with little consideration as to middle ground..

i can, and could listen to debates all day, i think its necessary to the growth of this community, but i find it difficult when people reduce it to those terms, "only in america" it sounds like a cuss-word, or perhaps prejudiced.. next it will be only blacks, or gays, or some other equally irrelevant expression.

i cannot believe its ONLY in america, or even MOSTLY in america, or even prevalent in america.. i just cant

We had a really high profile case over here in the UK about a farmer named Tony Martin. Two youths had constantly tried to break in to his house, so one evening he waited on the landing and blew the hell out of them with a shotgun. One was killed (I think) and the other was wounded. Not only did Mr. Martin go to jail, but the burglar tried to sue him. Unfortunately for the burglar, the suing case was ruined when he was seen riding a bike, having been limping drastically on camera. This sparked off huge debates. Just fyi for those in the US and other countries!

Orpheus said:
rednecks sounds to regional bud.. stupid stuff like this happens all over..

redneck is colloquialism, meaning, due south..

I think the meaning of the word has evolved in my generation.

to me, redneck simply means someone who acts in a certain way. they are typicaly found in the country where civil athority is minimal, but exist everywhere.

thing is though, martin tried the polic loads of bloody times, its just theyre fkin crap.

Tracer Bullet said:

Orpheus said:
rednecks sounds to regional bud.. stupid stuff like this happens all over..

redneck is colloquialism, meaning, due south..

I think the meaning of the word has evolved in my generation.

to me, redneck simply means someone who acts in a certain way. they are typicaly found in the country where civil athority is minimal, but exist everywhere.

actually, in my day it had two meanings, one bad, one not as bad.

1) a trouble maker, much like a male counterpart to a bitch.

2) a country cowboy

neither were complimentary, but one was definately much worse than the other.

i guess your version stems from #1

Maybe this will help you guys identify real rednecks..

http://www.fortogden.com/foredneck.html

Adam Hawkins said:
I can understand why someone might shoot another in extreme circumstances, and I can accept that in some cases (especially in the good ol' US of A), it's more or less crazy not to have a gun for protection. I'm waffling anyway :rolleyes:

Hahahahaha! You don't seriously think we all get beaten up and robbed weekly, do you?

Hornpipe2 said:

Adam Hawkins said:
I can understand why someone might shoot another in extreme circumstances, and I can accept that in some cases (especially in the good ol' US of A), it's more or less crazy not to have a gun for protection. I'm waffling anyway :rolleyes:

Hahahahaha! You don't seriously think we all get beaten up and robbed weekly, do you?

you reside in arkansas too, i have tried to convey to our members just how damed many guns are here, and yet almost no one is shot (compared to the total numbers in guns vs. shootings)

can you confirm that there are a lot please?

Well, hummm.. I understood the law to be quite differant than how it was used here. Having a Sister who works for a Lawyer, and asking her about this.. The man who shot his next door neibor, can and should be charged.

The Law only works if the person is inside your home, not on the front lawn, porch. But hey it happend in Colorodo, and we know how screwed up that state is.. they couldn't solve a case if the clues were handed to them. So I am not surprized at all by this happening in Colorodo.

Lots of good points made. I too am a Gun owner. And they are locked in the rifle case in my closet..

If I was a Lawyer in this case I would argue that the man goated the dead man into this event.

The dog was shot by a BB gun, making the man come to his house to confront the other.. with gun on table near the door, some words were exchanged, and one insult made the dead man swing at the door breaking the glass, then he was shot and killed. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Humm maybe the wife can get the shooter to come over for coffee, and then shoot him to death saying he was trying to rape me... hey if he was able to get away with it why shouldn't she.

Ok so Peeps if you have a beef with people next door.. just exchange gun fire from your windows.. dont try to talk or anything.. K. =)

Orpheus said:

Hornpipe2 said:

Adam Hawkins said:
I can understand why someone might shoot another in extreme circumstances, and I can accept that in some cases (especially in the good ol' US of A), it's more or less crazy not to have a gun for protection. I'm waffling anyway :rolleyes:

Hahahahaha! You don't seriously think we all get beaten up and robbed weekly, do you?

you reside in arkansas too, i have tried to convey to our members just how damed many guns are here, and yet almost no one is shot (compared to the total numbers in guns vs. shootings)

can you confirm that there are a lot please?

Being on the U of A campus here, I don't see a lot of guns... but I know full well there are a hell of a lot in this state. Lots of my friends go hunting, they all own guns, and they haven't shot anybody yet...

Educate the gun carring people and they learn that if you point the barrel at someone and pull the trigger, something bad happends.

The US does have alot of people killed by gunman. But the US also has a larger percentage of the population that owns guns (and its easier to buy one in the states anyways). But the US is also very large and has an emornous population. So if you hear of it happening often, its just because its a little bit more than a few million people who reside in the US.