water is too bright

hi

im makin a dark section of a map and it is in some sewers ,my only problem is that the water is really bright and looks stupid

any suggestions

Open the wad file that has the water texture.

Edit the texture so it looks much darker.

Save your texture, and your wad file. Or create a new wad with your new dark water texture in it.

I do believe making the water not an entity does the trick too.
Either that or making it an entity does. But Im pretty sure not
making it an entity is the right answer. If no, you can edit the
texture, but it would still be rendered bright unless you really really
darken the texture.

thank you, ill try that

athough ive tried darker water textures and they still seem to give off light or at least appear too

you don't have to create any water textures, its your properties.. change them ..

in other words, your func_water, is set incorrectly.. i don't have hammer open in front of me right now, but some properties "GLOW" this is good for lava and such.. others are clear.. still others look darks.. make a test map and test all the settings.. i bet yours is set to "textured" change it..

[edit] i think hugh is more correct, it may be additive.. but the theory holds.. test all the settings..

I think anything "water" texture, (anything with the ! symbol in it) will come out bright, always. I'm not to sure, but the slime in this pic is a perfectly solid object, not an entity.



Edit:\ I think I used a bad example for the slime..... :\

I think it's actually "additive" when the texture looks really bright, with a low FX value. Oh man, if only I actually mapped still, I'd know these things.

Edit: Ballblue, if it's not an entity, I think those will always come out bright.

ok i did some tests but still no luck

i think ur right G.ballblue any water texture is really bright,

i might have to make a animated texture and make it a func_water instead

Diabenlo said:
ok i did some tests but still no luck

its customary to post a list of failed attempts, in this way we wont suggest you repeat them.. unless we are sure you did the test wrong and tell you to repeat said test..

ok sorry

tried brush with a !water texture on not tied to an entity

triedbrush with a !water texture on and tied to an entity

both came out the same

Did you try changing the render modes as Orpheus and I had suggested?

i tried the texture render mode

but it still looks the same

EDIT sorry i didnt see the additive edit i will try that now EDIT

look, you take said water..

1) change it to "func_water"
2) set the render mode to solid or somesuch.. i cannot recall, but not additive..

do this then get back to us.. look in "RENDER MODE" after you change it to func_water

ok im doing that now

sorry bout the wait, my slow ass computer just crashed

ok i tried additive and solid render modes but still no luck

although i did notice a slight differance with the additive mode so i will test some different values with that

func_water

Render FX: Texture

FX Amount: 32

That should make your water quite dark. Texture mode makes it
transparant, allowing you to see trough. The lower the FX Amount, the
less it's visible and so the less it stands out in brightness...

!water textures are always rendered at full-bright, possibly due to the
procedural water effects applied to them. In my experience, it does not
matter whether it is world-water or entity-water. While you CAN make it
a bit darker if you set the render mode to Texture, it will still
originate from a bright water texture on top. You have two options:

• Make the area near the water brighter, to match the level of
  brightness in the water texture. Modify water texture as neccesary to
  get good results. I recommend experimenting with point-lights above the
  water brush, but with a very moderate, neutral setting.
  
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• Instead of using a ! texture, use a +0 style animated water
  texture. These textures will be affected by lightmaps and might give
  you the results you're looking for. Unfortunately, I don't have any
  access to such textures, but I have heard of them being used. Also,
  they will use up quite a bit of texture memory.
  
  </li>

right i will try that

the only problem is that im mapping for tfc, and i dont know whether u are familiar with the hide and seek style maps,

basically just using some multimanagers and goals to switch spawn points, so once you are caught u have to be freed by the other hiders

anyway i wanted the water not to be really transparent, because that could be a good hiding spot, but if everything else fails i will have to :smile:

ill give it a test and get back to you

you know, i think CJ is right, i have not made any darkish maps with a water area, but most maps with them, the water is always wrong.

id use CJ's recommendation.. he seems a hell of a lot more sure that the rest of us :smile:

ive decided i liked the look of additive with a low FX value its is quite dark, so im happy :smile: , i dont think making a new animated texture wud be worth it for such a small area

Thanks for all your help, much appreciated :smile:

figure out who or whom helped you solve this and mark them blue..

there can be more than one person, but don't just mark someone correct "because"

end this thread :smile:

sorry , but how do i mark them blue,

Hit it in the top protion of the post that says did this help...or something like that

Here is another suggestion for future use:

Use a scrolling water texture so that you still have a dynamic effect without the negative side of the (!) tag. Just rename your texture scrollTexName.

Then use a func_conveyor and set it to "not solid". If you want the sound that water gives, just put in a water brush that is invisable. maybe a pure blue texture with the (!) tag on the front, or a func_water with render "texture" and render ammount of "0".

silly people.. my answer was correct, not as correct, but still correct.. please do not mark it wrong.. its very annoying..