Spike TV Video Game Awards

It was on last night. Of course, I
didn't watch it due to the fact that it is just a scheme for
company's to start creating an MTV3 and
targeting the vast gamer audience. It was loaded with musical stars
and such, and I thought to myself - 'Why would any gamer watch this
instead of...Gaming?'. The answer is obvious.

Anyway...Why am
I posting? No surprise that Halo 2 beat out Half-Life 2 as
'Best first person shooter'. Why isn't it a surprise? Because
anyone who isn't a f**king gamer automatically sees Halo 2 Ad's
strewed upon television, magazines, and other places and goes 'Wow,
these gamers must be waiting for this game a
lot...If I incorporate the words Halo 2 into my speech,
I will be known as a gamer!' - and so far, its worked on the
simple-minded fools of the MTV generation. It also won the 'Best
design' award - which tells all developers out there 'if you add
shiny surfaces to materials and allow
duel-wielding, your game will f**kING ROCK'. I can see where the
future of games is going, and I don't really like it.

I agree completely. I didn't even bother to watch it. But I saw the outcome. I thought HALO2 sucked balls anyway.

Actually, I like Halo 2. I mean, yes - the Singleplayer is f**king
horrible. The leveldesign is repeditive and horribly under-detailed,
and its just stupid. But, the multiplayer is fantastic IMO. I love Halo
2 over XBL, and that is one of the best componenets for me. However, I
usually hate Halo 2 because of all the fan-boys. All they do is whine
about how Halo 2 is superior to every game, and with unbiased feelings
I can easily say - that is a crock of s**t. However, all in all, Halo 2
MP is great.

yeah, I've never got to play MP on XBL, so i didn't know.

I liked playing Halo 2 online till I discovered it the only way to get a kill was wait for a crowd of people to run by shooting each other and start stealing kills. The only fun thing was CTF on large levels with vehicles. The MP was not as good as the first Halo but I did like the cutscenes and the story. The covenent city was probably one of the sweetest FPS levels I have ever played. There was a lot of crap they left out of the game though due to using a different engine. I think Half Life 2 should've won. Of course it is MTV, so its going to biased.

And if you don't get the energy sword, 9 times out of 10 you are going to get owned.

Don't blame MTV, they're pawns. Go
after Viacom.

Anyway, I noticed when people say "gamer"
they usually only mean console gamer. If you remember in the ads for
the piece of s**t they said, "Put down the controller and pick
up the remote" as a short video of a Halo 2 cut scene was shown.

I saw a small chunk of the show (s**tty) where they
awarded "Most Addictive Game". This category of course
contains the odds and ends of games that may or may not fit into any
specific genre. Apparently, a FPS or RPG is not considered addictive.
Well, Burnout 3 won that oddly enough. The owner of an EA branch and
the dude who thought up Burnout came up and gave a little bulls**t. I
thought to my self at that point that these two people had nothing to
do with the creation of that game. I mean sure, on the one hand he
came up with the ideas. And the other guy was a slave driver, but
does that really mean they MADE the game? No. The development team
did and they don't even get credited anywhere. I've only seen a
handful of games where the actual Design team gets crediting and not
just the company who funded the project. But I doubt that would EVER
happen with an EA title.

I watched most of it, and some of it is, as already said, just stupid. I was disappointed when HL2 got beaten by Halo 2 for best first person action, but I guess it was to be expected. HL2 also lost best new technology, some other one, and most importantly, Best game of the year (of course GTA:SA took it)

It did however take best graphics though, so atleast it walked away with something.

Oh, and Crono, City of Heroes was up for the most addictive game a believe, but of course lost.

I watched most of it, and some of it is, as already said, just
stupid. I was disappointed when HL2 got beaten by Halo 2 for best first
person action, but I guess it was to be expected. HL2 also lost best
new technology, some other one, and most importantly, Best game of the
year (of course GTA:SA took it)

It did however take best graphics though, so atleast it walked away with something.

Oh, and Crono, City of Heroes was up for the most addictive game a believe, but of course lost.

CoH isn't really an PRG though. Even though you level up. I don't consider games like Diablo or even morrowind to be RPGs.

GTA SA was another game that got awards simply because it was a GTA game and was on a console. GTA SA wasn't even that good.

I watched most of it, and some of it is, as already said, just
stupid. I was disappointed when HL2 got beaten by Halo 2 for best first
person action, but I guess it was to be expected. HL2 also lost best
new technology, some other one, and most importantly, Best game of the
year (of course GTA:SA took it)

It did however take best graphics though, so atleast it walked away with something.

Oh, and Crono, City of Heroes was up for the most addictive game a believe, but of course lost.

HL2 certainly doesn't deserve a "best new technology" award. As a
whole the engine isn't much of an improvement over the HL1. Most
of graphical splendor the game posesses comes from great textures and
nifty water.

What game won best new technology?

HL2 was the only game in the category, if I recall correctly, which is just stupid :razz: It doesn't really qualify for much of a technological leap.

But for the love of whatever deity (or lack thereof) you hold dear, lay off the console hate machine. Halo 2 sold 5 million copies in like a week. I don't know how many GTA has sold thus far, but it's a few million as well. The PS2 has an installed base of something like 25 million, I think. Xbox, somewhere in the 15 million range. PC games hitting even 500,000 copies is a rarity. PC Gaming is not the extent of the gaming world; it's only a very small part of it. More people know what Halo is than know what Half-Life is.

The only thing I take issue with is the whole idea of this hip-hop game community bulls**t that everyone seems to embrace (like the graffiti-ized VGA web site). Games have quickly become one of the most binding forces of commonality in society. What else but an online game can bring together people of all races, religions, genders, creeds, and lifestyles into a single environment? Some marketing department needs to pick up on this.

Consoles are just as viable a form of entertainment as a computer, and far more common. Deal with it.

What game won best new technology?

The nitendo DS

HL2 was the only game in the category, if I recall correctly, which is just stupid :razz: It doesn't really qualify for much of a technological leap.

But
for the love of whatever deity (or lack thereof) you hold dear, lay off
the console hate machine. Halo 2 sold 5 million copies in like a week.
I don't know how many GTA has sold thus far, but it's a few million as
well. The PS2 has an installed base of something like 25 million, I
think. Xbox, somewhere in the 15 million range. PC games hitting even
500,000 copies is a rarity. PC Gaming is not the extent of the gaming world; it's only a very small part of it. More people know what Halo is than know what Half-Life is.

The
only thing I take issue with is the whole idea of this hip-hop game
community bulls**t that everyone seems to embrace (like the
graffiti-ized VGA web site). Games have quickly become one of the most
binding forces of commonality in society. What else but an online game
can bring together people of all races, religions, genders, creeds, and
lifestyles into a single environment? Some marketing department needs
to pick up on this.

Consoles are just as viable a form of entertainment as a computer, and far more common. Deal with it.

I never said it wasn't. And I'm not bashing consoles. My point was many
people will look at certain console games and go, "that has major
technological feats" when there may be a PC game that blows it away.
That's all.

Lets just all agree that MTV sucks.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that that whole rant was directed at you. More of a general rambling inspired by parts of this and many other threads over the last weeks or so. :smile:

I do agree with the DS winning the technology thing, though. It treads a fine line between gimmick and useful feature, but games like Metroid Prime: Hunters really demonstrate what sort of power you can get out of it. It'll be cool seeing what some of the more experimental developers try with the dual screen setup.

My friend has a DS and the graphics are better than N64. I hope port OOT and Starcraft over to the DS.

It looks like the gimmicky touch screen will actually be a wonderful addition to gameplay in many games :smile:

RTS games may make a huge come back on the DS. Because the thing is really set up for that type of gameplay.

I know they're re-making certain snes games for it as well (I heard Chrono Trigger was amongst them), but I may be wrong.

My friend has the Metroid demo, Mario 64, and FF6 on the DS. The touch screen works out quite well.

HL2 was the only game in the category, if I recall correctly, which is just stupid :razz: It doesn't really qualify for much of a technological leap.

But
for the love of whatever deity (or lack thereof) you hold dear, lay off
the console hate machine. Halo 2 sold 5 million copies in like a week.
I don't know how many GTA has sold thus far, but it's a few million as
well. The PS2 has an installed base of something like 25 million, I
think. Xbox, somewhere in the 15 million range. PC games hitting even
500,000 copies is a rarity. PC Gaming is not the extent of the gaming world; it's only a very small part of it. More people know what Halo is than know what Half-Life is.

The
only thing I take issue with is the whole idea of this hip-hop game
community bulls**t that everyone seems to embrace (like the
graffiti-ized VGA web site). Games have quickly become one of the most
binding forces of commonality in society. What else but an online game
can bring together people of all races, religions, genders, creeds, and
lifestyles into a single environment? Some marketing department needs
to pick up on this.

Consoles are just as viable a form of entertainment as a computer, and far more common. Deal with it.

Naaah, I Agree with everything you say in essence, but the majority of
those sales will be to 16-24 year old males who are up, and cool with
the market - PS2 - 2 pads, xbox 4 pads etc etc - they'll play it as a
casual indulgence with friends and beer, especially when their PS2/Xbox
will play crappy movie x afterward (eg Dodgeball). Gaming isnt a big
thing, the marketing of consoles to the new affluent markets have
turned it into a casual social accessory, nothing more.

Consumers avdily buy goods, especially when the peer mentality (ie men)
has set in, thats what people are like. The amount of hardcore "gamers"
you get off those massive sales figures will be minimal at best, video
games and the latest consoles are merely a passing interest for
affluent beer/socially aware young men.

The game industry is big, but it's not committed.

The owner of an EA branch and
the dude who thought up Burnout came up and gave a little bulls**t. I
thought to my self at that point that these two people had nothing to
do with the creation of that game.

That sounds to me like they got the designer of the game up, and if so
then who the hell would you rather made an appearance? You say you
never see the design team get credited, but chances are the vast
majority of the game WAS designed by him. I personally think that
person would be vastly more suitable for going on the podium than, say,
a random programmer or level designer. Not to underplay their
importance or anything, but they wouldn't have been nearly as
influential in the shaping of the game as the lead designer.

Then again, perhaps it wasn't the lead designer, you just said the person who thought it up.

The owner of an EA branch and
the dude who thought up Burnout came up and gave a little bulls**t. I
thought to my self at that point that these two people had nothing to
do with the creation of that game.

That sounds to me like they got the designer of the game up, and if so
then who the hell would you rather made an appearance? You say you
never see the design team get credited, but chances are the vast
majority of the game WAS designed by him. I personally think that
person would be vastly more suitable for going on the podium than, say,
a random programmer or level designer. Not to underplay their
importance or anything, but they wouldn't have been nearly as
influential in the shaping of the game as the lead designer.

Then again, perhaps it wasn't the lead designer, you just said the person who thought it up.

He claimed to be ther person who came up with the idea of Burnout. I
have no idea what his position is. He didn't seem like he was envolved
with the game at all was really my point. I have no problem with a lead
designer or overseeing director speaking about their game, because
that's what it is, THEIR game. This person did not seem to be any of
those people. But maybe that was just the impression I got.

The note about design teams not getting credited is at all. Meaning,
I've only seen a small amount of games that actually says what team
developed them within whatever company, and the ones you do see is
usually because the game is licensed out for release and not really
funded by said corperations.

Yeah that sucks, when they say things like "Burnout 3, by EA Games".
Its horrible to see publishers take the glory away from the people who
actually made it :sad:

Yeah that sucks, when they say things like "Burnout 3, by EA Games".
Its horrible to see publishers take the glory away from the people who
actually made it :sad:

Exactly. It'd be nice if the team name was on the product too. (Infinity Ward, Valve, Silicon Knights, id, etc)

well, with Infinity Ward (and Raven), the company is owned by Activision, all paychecks have Activision on them, etc. You can get away with it on first-party development, but it's third-party (Valve, id) where that gets touchy.

id gets away with a lot, though. Helps to have the clout and age that they do.

Well i wathed it and it was really cool but most of the stuff i saw was really cool the muisic was ok but most of the games that won were obvious but i think HL2 wouda won but the votes went to halo 2 and gta well that is me