Fortress Forever

http://www.fortress-forever.com/

Just a quick note for those who were interested (TwoKnives?), the
website for this HL2/TFC blend is now up :smile: I know Defrag through the
UK leagues and another forum so call it a cheap pimp too.

Looks pretty spinky what they have so far. Note no ugly shots of crossfire :razz:

Did anyone else know that Team Fortress was originally a Quake 1 mod? It's nearly ten years old now.

you don't say!!!

EDIT: If these guys give the demoman 4 MIRVs then it will be worth playing. Otherwise...

If these guys give the demoman 4 MIRVs then it will be worth playing.

Sure. When pigs fly.

That's the way it used to be, back when TFC was fun :/

They've completed two weapon skins? Wait, back up a second. Can this be for real?

maybe they dont want to show too much... I'm still waiting for
TF:2. I still get super excited when I see that one assasin video.

I was excited.

6 Years ago.

i recall reading an interview wiht a employee of valve wich confirmed the development of tf2 for hl2

Yo stock sarcastic response people, you do realise the of course the
mod has been established in the past few months, and is trying to
emulate pre TF 1.5 gameplay - and has nothing to do with any other TFC
product that's been developed for the last 6 years.

If you're not interested/dont like TC don't scoff :razz: It's early days and isn't supposed to be TF2..

i got the feeling tf 2 is gunna be a flop like cs source, and that they might upgrade it later, i think however that fortress forever will be good , becouse it's not done by valve :smile:

I really don't trust Valve on TFC2.

Fortress Forever will be great, especially with Defrag in the lead. (I've been using his crosshairs for 2 years :razz: )

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting BioPulse</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>i got the feeling tf 2 is gunna be a flop like cs source, and that they might upgrade it later, i think however that fortress forever will be good , becouse it's not done by valve :smile: </DIV></DIV>
Are you psychic? As you have seen practically nothing of either...

Looks good :biggrin:

i've played cs source and it's realy crap compared to cs 1.6 and 1.5 , they just switched gameplay with graphics in my pinion, and i think they will be doing the same with tf 2

It was more a reference that there has been nothing in a TF world for 6
years. So my interest has waned a lot. If this does pan out and
refreshes the game then I'm all for it.

Biopulse CS:S comment-

ITS THE EXACT SAME GAME! Lol... theres no change between 1.5 and CS:S apart from graphics, and for some bizarre reason most people can't cope and have become crap. Me however- I've become way better.

i've played cs source and it's realy crap compared to cs 1.6 and
1.5 , they just switched gameplay with graphics in my pinion, and i
think they will be doing the same with tf 2

Biopulse CS:S comment-

ITS THE EXACT SAME GAME! Lol... theres no change between 1.5 and
CS:S apart from graphics, and for some bizarre reason most people can't
cope and have become crap. Me however- I've become way better.

CS:S dose have some small changes. Like every other update
that has ever been released since cs 1.0 CS players have not been
happy.

CS:S isn't a flop, becuase you dont like it dosn't mean all CS players dont like it.

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I hope this works out, I used to love TFC.

I wouldn't quite call it a flop, but it definitely isn't a big
success. And its the small changes that people don't like.
A bunch of little changes that lower the fun aspect of the game, lower
the fun aspect of the game.

Plus for a while, only noobs played cs:s, although after hl2 hit the
shelves not just the e-shelves, that was decreased somewhat, but still
not eradicated.

I found all the changes they made to make it a better calibre game, it
just in principle isn't better for the ones who just want to kill
stuff, which is the general mentality of a lot of games. (Why bother
with newer games even if that's all you want?)

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Gorbachev</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I found all the changes they made to make it a better calibre game, it just in principle isn't better for the ones who just want to kill stuff, which is the general mentality of a lot of games. (Why bother with newer games even if that's all you want?)
</DIV></DIV>

i don't even play these stupid mods, and i see this all the time. i think gorby nailed it.

the child minded Idots cannot cope with any change they increases the game away from rampant unthinking killing.

what surprises me most is, why no one makes a map, that kills everything graphically every 5 seconds so all you have to do is stand there and watch gibs fly. no weapons needed, just join the server and watch.
stupid people, they make me itch :/

Guys, if you don't like/play TFC then this isn't the mod for you - it's
being designed with the old TFC communities in mind - people who
enjoy bh'ing, concing and strict clan rules..

If you don't like, or didn't like TFC you aren't going to like
something that tries to emulate how it used to be. Go play another
mod or stop bashing it, because it seems quite a lot of people are
missing the point of what the team is trying to create

its natural to complain. but i concur, i see no reason to cry about a mod you don't have to install or play if you don't want to.

i still think however that stupid people are fair game, so watch yourselves stupid people. :biggrin:

I really like TFC, I've been into it for several years.

I've got some general questions for you:

• BackTracking: Allowed or not ?

My opinion: in clan matches, offense should not attack offense. It's lame, and slows down the real gameplay.

• Flag Carrier Shooting: Allowed or not ?

y opinion: should be allowed. It's pretty interesting to see a full team running after that carrier, leaving all the defence spots undefended. It's up for the team to choose. When the flag is frontdoor, I think you should still be able to keep it.

• Snipers in Clan Matches: Allowed or not ?

My opinion: it is an officiall TFC class, so I think it should be allowed. If the offense is a bit smart, they can easily out-conc them.

• Offense HW: Allowed or not ?

My opinion: A HW is a defence class, and it should stay that way. I don't want any lame HW's throwing grenades into the enemy base before the offense arrives.

This is a small TFC clip I made 3 years ago. It's not top skill, and it was my first movie ever. http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/histo/forcemove.htm

Snipers in clan matches - doesn't bother me, most of the time like you
say you can get round them, and once you get past that sniper (ie most
of the time) you only have 3 defenders to attack then. It's more a
waste of time for the team who has them!

Offy HW - No, no, no no no no no and no. This is wrong in so many ways,
and decent defence can easily outdm the slow ass HW. Only viable with
bunnyhopping which of course was taken out. Waste of an attacker and a waste of time.

Backtracking/midfield fire - pointless, doesnt achieve anything, starts
arguments - best to keep those guns aimed at the floor in NML.

Flag carrier shooting.. hahaha - yes, i think this should be allowed
(it is for the most part I believe) - we were at 40-40 in an NTFCL
match just the other night (alchimy_l) - i managed to get their flag
out of the FR and to another attackers, taking us to 50-40.

While all this was going on, the rest of offy and most of defence was
out on the bridge having an absolutely huge ruckus with the other team
trying to stop them moving our flag any further. With about 50 seconds
on the clock it really did get close, but us doing that saved us the
win (which we deserved tbh)

edit: taking a lookski at the vid now force.. havent seen a TFC avi in YEARS. Retro :smile:

I suppose you've seen the [BC] and [BAD] movies ? They all rocked, the music ?nd the in-game footage was class.

Another good one is "Beyond", (done by Caelium). It mostly features concs and rocketjumps, but pretty awesome ones.

We once capped three times in the last two minutes. It was a draw on mortality (30-30), so we had to get it all on shutdown_l. Man, that was awesome. We just didn't even touch the flag before those last 2 minutes, and suddenly everything worked out. Pure evil fun. :smile:

idd about the bashing; its not a "what do you think about ..."-topic, its just info

• BackTracking: Allowed or not ?

no

• Flag Carrier Shooting: Allowed or not ?

ofcourse:) but once its halfway the map dont bother. and ofcourse the fr solly should go clean out the fr when flag is about to return

• Snipers in Clan Matches: Allowed or not ?

best to be avoided imo

• Offense HW: Allowed or not ?

technically, yes. but also best to be avoided to avoid frustration, atfer-flaming etc..

heh that reminds me of the days me and my bro made flash movies for our clan:)

the [BAD] , Beyond,... movies are all great, but my all-time favourite has to be "Team Spirit". It captures all the things that make tfc, chapterwise

I miss playing TFC with a serious clan. It was so frustrating but so much fun. Too bad that they changed the demoman just enough to make me suck at it, causing me to lose interest and lose all my skills...

But when I played I never thought about these things. If you want to screw yourself over then go right ahead and backtrack. Same with tracking the flag carrier all over the map (assuming they don't just conc all over the place like a good player would). I don't see why anyone would complain about offensive HWG or snipers... there were no such restrictions when the original game came out, why would clanners want to force such pointless restrictions? Then again they are probably the same people who want to be able to conc across the entire length of well with one grenade and find every little thing to bitch about when they lose a match :/

Who can conc deck 2 deck on 2fort ? Me ! :biggrin:

And those rules aren't pointless. If you're allowed to backtrack, some pretty lame things might happen. All the action might be happening midfield, and everyone will just spam nades.

Do you guys use a BH script, or just ... the "natural" way ?

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Yak_Fighter</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I miss playing TFC with a serious clan. It was so frustrating but so much fun. Too bad that they changed the demoman just enough to make me suck at it, causing me to lose interest and lose all my skills...

But when I played I never thought about these things. If you want to screw yourself over then go right ahead and backtrack. Same with tracking the flag carrier all over the map (assuming they don't just conc all over the place like a good player would). I don't see why anyone would complain about offensive HWG or snipers... there were no such restrictions when the original game came out, why would clanners want to force such pointless restrictions? Then again they are probably the same people who want to be able to conc across the entire length of well with one grenade and find every little thing to bitch about when they lose a match :/

</DIV></DIV>

heh, seems like you're describing the kind of public play i dislike: everyone fighting midmap, no tactics,... its supposed to be happening in the bases. the middle area should only be there for transportation

Last time I checked if you can destroy the offense before they enter the base your defense will be that much better. Players near the middle of the map serve as the first and last lines of defense, and I think we all know that if the flag gets out of the base you're pretty much screwed. Having defensive players on the ramparts can also quickly switch to offense if say the flag carrier dies right outside the enemy base or is under fire. All these dumb restrictions are a huge turn off, especially when they are enforced all you really need to win against all but the best clans is two excellent medics who can conc anywhere and everywhere. I always thought the focus of TFC was where and how you deploy the forces at your disposal, not small unit tactics.

well every clan i know disagrees with that, but obviously there's no wrong or right here, so no point discussing

Anyone who thinks a HW guy even stands chance against a good defence squad really needs a good beating. HW guys are particularly vulnerable to Engineers' EMP grenades, 'cause they have about a hundred shells and they just go boom. Another thing to note is that they can't move when using the Gatling Gun, which is their only really good weapon (aside from grenades). Summary: Offensive HW guys are very likely to get flattened.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting BlisTer</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>well every clan i know disagrees with that, but obviously there's no wrong or right here, so no point discussing </DIV></DIV>

Well I think I'm just not cut out for clan play, which is why I stopped doing it.
And Foxpup, in TFC the HWG can move at half speed while firing his chaingun (unless something's been changed in the years since I played it)

Okay I just tested this... Sorry, it turns out he can move very, very, slowly. Way back, I tried moving with the Gatling Gun and it looked like he wasn't moving at all... Sorry.

Either way, he's a sitting duck.

I must be some strange form of nerd but all i want in tfc2 is to conc,
Anybody who gives meh a medic who can conc wins a vote for em

Okay I just tested this... Sorry, it turns out he can move very, very, slowly. Way back, I tried moving with the Gatling Gun and it looked like he wasn't moving at all... Sorry.

Either way, he's a sitting duck.

It's true that one HW will not wipe out the the whole defence, but it
can be pretty annoying to have one spamming the fd constantly with
grenades, much likely your own offense will have a hard time getting
out of their own base.

great news that there porting TFC over to source.

TFC rocks!