My Map Lags SO much !!

Hi guys,

I searched in snarkpit about this, and tried all what is written, but none of them helped me, i have this map, which has an outside area and an inside area, but looking at some directions, the map LAGS alot and my FPS or Ping reaches 200 !!! I tried adding hint and skip brushes, but they didnt reduce the lag so much maby only like 5% :*(

Please help me in this, i cant let my map stay laggy, i have to fix it. And one more thing, does anyone know how to show the FPS menu in the game? what do i type in the console.

Thank you

net_graph 1 2 or 3

You need to learn how to use occulders =)

Turn any cylinders into Func_detail. Put Areaportals on all your doors. Anything that deviates too much from 90* angles is making things more complicated for BSP. Anything that is at wierd angles that is touching anything else neets to be turned into an entity or you need to put a "func_detail gasket" in between it and other brush surfaces. Everywhere two brushes touch makes a cut in at least one of the brushes. so try to keep lots of stuff the same dimensions. Also, try using NoDraw texture on surfaces that are not visible.

net_graph 1 2 or 3

You need to learn how to use occulders =)

Whats the console command to get the wireframe type thing which will show you everything that is being rendered?

mat_wireframe or orsomething

Use +showbudget to see which things are taking the engine the most time to draw. It's not always what you think, I've found.

FPS and ping are two entirely different things - ping is the time it
takes to send and recieve data from the server, while FPS is your
frames per second (ie. how well the map runs). Ping has very little to
do with mapping, while FPS has a lot to do with mapping. Also note that
you want FPS to be as HIGH as possible, not low, so 200 would be some
awesome performance.

Just read up on any HL1 tutorial (google it) that tells you how to optimize one's map, its the same basic concept.

Check out this tut:

http://www.snarkpit.com/editing.php?page=tutorials&game=HL2&id=143

to see what's causing your errors, start up the game and type the following commands in console:

sv_cheats 1 - to enable use of other commands
mat_leafvis 1 - the red box shows what leaf you're in. The engine will render any leaves visible from your current leaf.
mat_wireframe 1 - this shows the wireframe of all the objects in your map. It allows you to "see through walls" to get an idea of what's being rendered beyond what you can actually see. What you want is to minimize the amount of stuff being rendered beyond what you can actually see
+showbudget - allows you to see what type of rendering is lagging your map (world rendering, dynamic lighting, props, etc) turn off with -showbudget

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<DIV class=quotetext>FPS and ping are two entirely different things - ping is the time it takes to send and recieve data from the server, while FPS is your frames per second (ie. how well the map runs). Ping has very little to do with mapping, while FPS has a lot to do with mapping. Also note that you want FPS to be as HIGH as possible, not low, so 200 would be some awesome performance.
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Oh Ok Reno, but my ping was 200, so the fps was 20...even on hammer,by pressing O i can look at different directions sometimes the FPS will drop to 15...and 20...but ill try to do what nickleplate and you guyz told me, thanks for your help, ill tell you what happen when i try it.

OK....I HAVE THIS BIG PROBLEM I HATE ALOT, I have posted these images to show you how much my map LAAAGS !!! And im going to remove the areportal brushes because i have no doors here, so i dont need them.

Fix that damn post and we might help you...

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Leperous</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Fix that damn post and we might help you...</DIV></DIV>
Here, I fixed it :biggrin:

Right, I think the solution here is that you haven't run VIS, probably because you have a leak, though I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't clicked the 'run VIS' box... post your compile log.

Here is my compile log, but i dont think that compiling it in fast should make a problem??

Becuase it takes me 3 to 4 hours to compile my map, so i cant keep compiling it when ever i add a thing to my map, so i can see it right?

___________________________________________________________________

** Executing...
** Command: "e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk\bin\vbsp.exe"
** Parameters: -game "e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk\hl2mp_sample_content" "E:\Steam\SteamApps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_abandoned_12"

Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Jan 19 2005)
2 threads
materialPath: e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk\hl2mp_sample_content\materials
Loading E:\Steam\SteamApps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_abandoned_12.vmf
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...Brush 70148: WARNING, microbrush
7...8...9...10 (3)

FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-429.0, 263.9, 94.3)
Leaf 0 contents:
Leaf 1 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs: Brush 56232: Brush 56231:

FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-431.0, 252.8, 94.1)
Leaf 0 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
Leaf 1 contents:
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs: Brush 56232: Brush 56231:

FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-429.0, 281.9, 94.1)
Leaf 0 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
Leaf 1 contents:
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs: Brush 56232: Brush 56231:

FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-429.0, 263.9, 94.0)
Leaf 0 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
Leaf 1 contents:
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs: Brush 56232: Brush 56231:

FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-897.0, 217.5, 94.0)
Leaf 0 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
Leaf 1 contents:
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs: Brush 56229:

FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-898.5, 217.5, 94.0)
Leaf 0 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
Leaf 1 contents:
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs: Brush 56229:

FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-888.5, 217.5, 94.1)
Leaf 0 contents:
Leaf 1 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs: Brush 56229:

FindPortalSide: Couldn't find a good match for which brush to assign to a portal near (-898.5, 217.5, 94.1)
Leaf 0 contents:
Leaf 1 contents: CONTENTS_SOLID
viscontents (node 0 contents ^ node 1 contents): CONTENTS_SOLID
This means that none of the brushes in leaf 0 or 1 that touches the portal has CONTENTS_SOLID
Check for a huge brush enclosing the coordinates above that has contents CONTENTS_SOLID
Candidate brush IDs: Brush 56229:

*** Suppressing further FindPortalSide errors.... ***
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...Brush 70148: WARNING, microbrush
7...8...9...10 (2)
Processing areas...done (0)
Building Faces...done (0)
Chop Details...done (0)
Find Visible Detail Sides...
Merged 126 detail faces...done (0)
Merging details...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (1)
writing E:\Steam\SteamApps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_abandoned_12.prt...done (1)
Creating default cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox sky_day01_06...
Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Finding displacement neighbors...
Finding lightmap sample positions...
Displacement Alpha : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7.....1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10
Building Physics collision data...
done (1) (1306509 bytes)
Emitting linux collision data (use -nolinuxdata to disable).
Building Physics collision data...
done (1) (3837091 bytes)
Static prop models/props_debris/plaster_wall002a.mdl outside the map (-393.00, 420.00, 21.00)
Placing detail props : 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
.Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
.Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
.8...9..Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
Material NATURE/DIRTFLOOR001A uses unknown detail object type citygrass01!
.Material NATURE/BLENDDIRTGRASS001B uses unknown detail object type grass01!
Error loading studio model ""!
10
Water found with no water_lod_control entity, creating a default one.
Writing E:\Steam\SteamApps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_abandoned_12.bsp
51 seconds elapsed
Memory leak: mempool blocks left in memory: 49
Memory leak: mempool blocks left in memory: 14

** Executing...
** Command: "e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk\bin\vvis.exe"
** Parameters: -game "e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\sourcesdk\hl2mp_sample_content" -fast "E:\Steam\SteamApps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_abandoned_12"

Valve Software - vvis.exe (Dec 15 2004)
fastvis = true
2 threads
reading e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_abandoned_12.bsp
reading e:\steam\steamapps\22ca06895d6b4e3c599e83fdaeff2772\half-life 2 deathmatch\hl2mp\maps\dm_abandoned_12.prt
2655 portalclusters
9300 numportals
BasePortalVis: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (36)
WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster
WARNING: Cluster portals saw into cluster
Opti

almost 2 damned megs download!!!

grumbles/whines/beats head on desk/cries cause head hurts

screw it.. no one seems even able to listen..

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Rof</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Use +showbudget to see which things are taking the engine the most time to draw. It's not always what you think, I've found.
</DIV></DIV>

I hear that!

I had a wall that was causing big problems. Just a wall. Nothing in it, nothing on it...

I deleted it and remade it. Problem went away.
chalked it up to general weirdness

ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...Brush 70148: WARNING, microbrush
7...8...9...10 (3)

Well, you can delete brush 70148. Press Ctrl+Shift+G and enter the brush number, then delete it (or re-edit the offending part).

After that, replace the pictures in your third post with hyperlinks. Then perhaps someone will help you with the FindPortalSide compile errors. (I have no idea about them)

Compiling with fast VIS will not give you an accurate portrayal of your
map's performance - always use a normal or full VIS compile to find out
how your map runs. The FindPortalSide error is normally a side effect
of a leak, but you don't have one. I guess the other suggestion would
be follow the compile tool's advice - check if the suggested brush ID's
are huge (there is a tool in hammer that lets you jump to a given brush
ID).

You know there is a good reason for vis taking hours on normal. Its not
liek normal si just a fun option for those people who want to pass some
time. Also are you using the noob leak fix method?

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting DrFrag</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...Brush 70148: WARNING, microbrush
7...8...9...10 (3)

Well, you can delete brush 70148. Press Ctrl+Shift+G and enter the brush number, then delete it (or re-edit the offending part).

After that, replace the pictures in your third post with hyperlinks. Then perhaps someone will help you with the FindPortalSide compile errors. (I have no idea about them)

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Thank you Dr.Frag, i found out the micro brush thing, it was a small torus in the cieling, very tiny, i dont know that this would make the map lag, i removed it, so ill check now if the lag is fewer now.

You also have the areaportal problem, no wonder your map is crap, and never run anything on fast (unless its a testing something). You see when you run things on fast (either vis or RAD), then it doesn't calculate extra stuff needed to run the map efficiently. If your map takes 3-4hours to compile on vis, then you have A LOT of problems in your map! On a decent sized map it should take 10-15 minutes.

And when you add something and want to see if it works, use the cordon tool, and compile that area.

you have more then just a torus to worry about, your vrad isnt even running, oad up your sdk and reset game configurations

make sure you seal under displacements with a nodraw textured brush, if you don't seal your displacements then the map still leaks, only its not reported to the compile log

cluster portal saw into cluster could be the result of a leak or bad brush, check the map for errors

alt+p

and please, compile with full vis and rad

use hitn brushes to split large leafs

mat_leafvis 1 in console, the red lines represent a leaf, when a leaf is too large, you can split it by using a brush textured skip, and 1 face on that brush textured as hint

good luck, and keep neat brushwork

i hope you didn't carve those broken windows! :smile:

Yeh ok thanks dude, ill try it that later, but about the windows, what happens if i do carve them?? map lags?

Read the carving vs. clipping tutorial for more info on why not to carve.

OMG MY HEAD HURTS!!!!!!!!!!!

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting ReNo</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Read the carving vs. clipping tutorial for more info on why not to carve.
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Lol, dont worry i read them all, and i know them well...But my map isnt getting less laggy, im going to explode...

use hint brushes with areaportals to close areas. and
add occluders too to avoid models renderring. be sure to not add too
many dynamic lighting (spots). for optimiing my maps i spent a lot of
time with mat_leaf and mat_wireframe .