"Astral Projection"

http://www.astralvoyage.com/projection/index.html

I've heard about astral projection and people who can do it from various sources and it all seems to come down to what they say on the site above. I was just wondering what you rational people think of this. Note that astral projection has been studied in the past by scientists who made some remarcable observations after many experiments on people who can "leave their bodies".

Andrei said:
"leave their bodies".

Speaking of which, I always thought peeing was better than sex. I have had occasions where a good pee brought tears to my eyes, sex never has..

/continues contemplation....

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Andrei said:
"leave their bodies".

Speaking of which, I always thought peeing was better than sex. I have had occasions where a good pee brought tears to my eyes, sex never has..
/continues contemplation....

/continues contmeplation of orph's sanity...

I think astral projection is impossible.

youll appreciate what hes saying much more as you get older rs6..... :biggrin:

well done jon....

Doc b.... :dodgy:

Dr Brasso said:
youll appreciate what hes saying much more as you get older rs6..... :biggrin:

well done jon....

Doc b.... :dodgy:

You know Doc, Most here who read that today prolly thought I was joking. In spite of the lack of blue text.

Sadly, I was all to serious.
/me wonders just how many knew I was.

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Andrei said:
"leave their bodies".

Speaking of which, I always thought peeing was better than sex. I
have had occasions where a good pee brought tears to my eyes, sex never
has..

You can get a real thrill out of peeing if you have a swollen uretra :biggrin:
. And yeah, peeing and crapping when you just can't hold em in
for much longer are 2 of the greatest pleasures known to man. :biggrin:

could this be locked before it gets out of hand?

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i eat paint

What about astral sex, or peeing? :razz:

I used to be into occult/spiritual stuff (still am to a certain extent)
I tried it before, but got no results. There's a strong tie with OOBE
and lucid dreams. I DID manage to control my dreams, to an extent, but
astral projection has never been proven, and is another magical case of
the Emperors New Cloths.

You can't do magic unless you believe in it. And all great magicians/spiritualists are 'above' showing off.

Put simply. Untill I see people firing lightning bolts and flying around, I won't believe in it.

Still, meditation and magic ritual have good psychological points.

Orpheus said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Andrei</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>"leave their bodies".

Speaking of which, I always thought peeing was better than sex. I have had occasions where a good pee brought tears to my eyes, sex never has..

/continues contemplation....</div></div>
Just never mix up the two.

Cassius said:
Just never mix up the two.

No worries on that account my friend. :smile:

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I've studied Astral Science, and even in my fav. forums
(http://foorum.hinnavaatlus.ee/), there is a HUGE topic on Astral
Science. Talking about OOBE, near death experience, etc etc.

I'm sure you've had dreams where you fall off very high, and the moment
you crash the ground you wake up in your bed. It's tied to something
like er... your astral body being "pulled" back into the physical body,
for example.

I haven't gone very deep of it, but AFAIK, you can fly around the house
you live in (I live in a flat apartment), and see what your neighbours
do. Then you can, with other people in Astral Condition (lol), talk.
They can be miles (or even thousands of miles) away, but you can talk
with them like they were right next to you. The only condition is that
they need to know about AS, too, and what they can do in there.

There are tribes who are skilled in this, and can communicate with their, hmm, ancestors, in this way.

GL in studying the secrets of Astral Science :wink:

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Ahh, yes, lucid dreams! I've had many of those im my life including a
rather strange experience in which a dream was interrupted when I woke
up and resumed 60 seconds later when I went back to sleep.

I haven't gone very deep of it, but AFAIK, you can fly around the house
you live in (I live in a flat apartment), and see what your neighbours
do.

I think I speak for everyone when I say, NO YOU CAN'T.

If you could, you'd easily be the most powerful person on earth, and
highly paid by governments and the like for your god like powers.

You THINK you can, because the mind is a very powerful thing. It would
be quite simple to test whether or not you actually see something
happening in another room, simply by getting someone to do or say
something random in that room and telling them exactly what they did.

As I said, if it was possible, people would be doing it, and,
considering the fact that nearly every fluffy wicca or hippy guru
swears that they can do this, it would be pretty hard to miss its
affect on every day life. Passwords, pin numbers etc would be
compromised by people psychically looking over your shoulder at ATM
machines!

[edit:]

The only condition is that
they need to know about AS, too, and what they can do in there.

How convenient. "Hey man, I WOULD prove it to you once and for all
without a shadow of a doubt, but unless you can do it too, you'll have
to take me and my wacko friend's word for it" :razz:

Well...

I haven't gone very deep of it, but AFAIK, you can fly around the house
you live in (I live in a flat apartment), and see what your neighbours
do.

Yes, it is the imaginary that you'll see. You can even read books in
dreams, but when you try to read it second time, you'll see that the
contents have changed. I just forgot to mention it :-P

Your mind actually remembers everything that it sees, but not all
people are able to recall it the second time. It is very deep inside.
Human mind is something that we do not know just yet. Perhaps we never
will. But there are people who know quite some things about it. They
are not going to tell people about it (not me :biggrin: ), but they know more
than anyone, about the Mind.

(hmm... would be a great novel, "The Mind" :biggrin: does anyone know, has someone written something like it?)

I will quote a text from a book.

"It contains a force that is at once more wonderful and more terrible
than death, than human intelligence, than the forces of nature. It is
also, perhaps, the most mysterious of the many subjects for study that
reside there. It is the power held within that room that you possess in
such quantities, and which he has not at all. That power took you to
save her tonight. That power also saved you from possession by him,
because he could not bear to reside in a body so full of the force he
detests. In the end, it mattered not that you could not close your
mind. it was your heart that saved you."

It was love.

Who guesses from where this quote came from, will be saluted :biggrin:

it is a bit tied with the topic, though, since it tells us about
closing mind and opening it. It is a fiction, but when we come to think
about AS, it feels and seems even possible. Going to other peoples'
minds and seeing what they think, and also closing the mind.

I believe that there is a level of mind, so powerful and awsome, where
you are able to do whatever you wish. I believe, that this level can be
yet achieved only by dieing, when your Astral Body (or Soul) exits the
Physical Body and becomes non-corporeal. This is the level where you
can roam around the world and see and hear what others do, communicate
with others at the same level (which would, ofcourse, explain how some
tribes can communicate with ancestors), but not the ones below. Perhaps
you can get yourself a new body (remember: only a new Life can defeat
Death) by going to a body of a yet-to-born child. To get a new Life.

I believe in this. I believe that it is possible. Sometimes I want to
know what is it like to die... does it hurt? What happens after you
die? Questions unanswered...

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One book that I could thoroughly recommend is consciousness by Rita Carter.

Your mind actually remembers everything that it sees, but not
all people are able to recall it the second time. It is very deep
inside.

Here's an excerpt from the book which clearly contradicts that, showing what a lying bastard the mind is:

"Glance up, momentarily, at you surroundings. What were you conscious
of in that first split second? Not everything, certainly - you are
limited, after all, by your field of vision. But within that field you
probably thought you took in more or less the whole scene, albeit not
in deail. If you are inside a building, for example you would probably
report seeing the walls, the carpet, the door, a table, the window and
the view beyond. Certainly you would say you were aware of the main
objects, at least to the extent that if you looked up again you would
notice if one of them dissappeared.

So try this. At the end of this paragraph, without looking up again,
close your eyes and try to bring the scene around you to mind. Recall
the table - what sort of legs does it have? What does it have on its
surface - was there a cup? A magazine? If you are in your own home you
may be able to visualize the table clearly, and you may know there is a
magazine and a cup on it because you just put them there. But exactly
where on the table is the cup? Which way does the handle point? What
does the magazine cover look like? Do this for each element of the
scene and note exactly what appears in your minds eye. Unless you are
one of the few people with eidetic (photographic) memory, when you
concentrate on these images you will find they become hazy. If you are
in unfamiliar surroundings the image you conjure in your mind will be
even hazier. In fact, the chances are that in that first glance you
were fully conscious - that is, conscious enough to give a report - of
no more than four or five objects or aspects of the scene. This seems
to be the limit of our capacity at any one moment."

Its full of headtrip inducing stuff like that, and it gives you plenty of these types of experiments to prove them.

It would
be quite simple to test whether or not you actually see something
happening in another room, simply by getting someone to do or say
something random in that room and telling them exactly what they did.

Well it seems that you're not the first one to have thought of this; a
group of scientists (american, I believe) made some experiments on two
people who could easily "practice" astral projection. What the
scientist did was that they wrote a 3 digit number on the top of a tall
pillar-like-thing in the subject's bedroom. The next morning, both
subjects knew what the number was despite the fact that none of them
ever left their beds during the night(the room was under surveilance the whole time but
the subjects didn't know that) and, even if they had, they would have
found it impossible to get to the number. Guessing the number was also
pretty improbable since how much of a chance do you have of guessing a
number between 000 and 999?

I'm convinced that dreams are basically the mind's attempts to clean itself - purgings of all the content that it records that proves useless or too difficult to handle/correllate. For me, at least, dreams come most frequently after seriously intense experiences, and I think that's for a reason. What the concious mind can't forget, dreams at least mollify, making painful memories seem unreal. The rest of a dream's content seems to me like little replays of insignificant memories, small things we've noticed but don't need to worry about anymore.

I hate to say this Cass, but I have had dreams far more fearsome than almost anything I have had in real life.

I have had dreams as a child where the beatings didn't stop. I would also like to point out that I had nothing within me that required mollifying..

Dreams can and often are, quite destructive and detrimental.

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In my opinion, the interpretation of dreams can reveal interesting
aspects of one's subconscious and even memories from one's childhood
(usually bad memories since trauma tends to last longer and sometimes
affects the individual at maturity).

Speaking of which, has anyone dreamt of dying? I have. Weird sensation. If I recall, I
was was killed after being stabbed in the stomache with a long pointy
sword like thing, I once drowned and there was another time I dreamt
getting shot, again, in the stomache. The sword thing is pretty
gruesome not because of the idea of being stabbed in the guts but
because "the sword" is a freudian (is this how they're called in
english?) symbol for "penetration".

Andrei said:
Speaking of which, has anyone dreamt of dying? I have. Weird sensation. If I recall, I was was killed after being stabbed in the stomache with a long pointy sword like thing, I once drowned and there was another time I dreamt getting shot, again, in the stomache. The sword thing is pretty gruesome not because of the idea of being stabbed in the guts but because "the sword" is a freudian (is this how they're called in english?) symbol for "penetration".

Or just an overactive imagination and a creepy desire to experience death in an archaic fashion?

Dream interpretation makes my head hurt. I stopped trying to understand mine ages ago. I decided to stick with the more traditional ones like arriving at school in my underwear or dreaming of going to the bathroom only to discover the next morning that I pissed the bed once again. :/

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I have to admit there have been times I have Let loose the yellow flow, and it was better than any orgazism I have ever had. But that was after 6 liters of Mountain Dew and an 8-12 hour driver across Texas, you hit that Road side bathroom, and just let loose.. and its a sigh of relief that makes tears come to your eyes. Yepp Opheus I fully understand.

When I was a kid I used to have dreams I was floating across the house with my legs crossed sitting indian style and I would land on the kitchen table.. a few times I woke up sitting there, scared that I might have actually floated there. Thats not really Astral Projection.. But when I was at Red Stone Arsenal, in Alabama, they had a study on Astral projection, and I think they even used it to spy on Russia.

"Astral science"? Ahahahahahahaha Where's the science in it? That's the second stupidest oxymoron-of-sorts since "creation science." Show me/the scientific community someone who can actually do this stuff when they're under conditions where they can't cheat, and what they do is analysed correctly, and then I'll believe this nonsense about "projecting" your spirit.

/yes, I did used to believe in this stuff- the CIA were supposed to have been interested in a variation for spying, but, er, it didn't work, or else they wouldn't be needing satellites...

/yes, I did used to believe in this stuff- the CIA were supposed to
have been interested in a variation for spying, but, er, it didn't
work, or else they wouldn't be needing satellites...

That's what they want you to believe! There are no satellites. There
was no moon landing, no mars rover, nothing. It's all just their mind
control through TV! It's the man, man. He owns your entire life. Fight the power man!

(Weed on sale, aisle 6. Special offer on Tinfoil hats)

I'm convinced that dreams are basically the mind's attempts to clean
itself - purgings of all the content that it records that proves
useless or too difficult to handle/correllate.

Actually, that is a theory of dreams which has some support in the
field of psychology. (I had to learn it in my A-level, which I never
finished...twice)

The theory's main (and bloody obvious) critism: If its to purge you
mind of all that stuff, then why do you remember it? :biggrin: