'Twas on this day in 1980 that John Lennon was assasinated outside of
his apartment. To me, this is way more important than Pearl
Harbor. My school had a moment of silent reflection for him,
nothing about Pearl Harbor. Plus it's Jim Morrison's birthday.

you're a dick

Yeah, I agree with French. I can't really say how Pearl Harbor's affected me directly , but yeah, definitely sad about Mr. Lennon.

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Yeah, I know. But I actually had the thought to create a Lennon thread a few days ago.

just out of curiosity, my frenchly-toasted canadian couterpart, what language do you think youd be speaking if the US had let the japanese roll into los angeles etc.....?

Doc B....

I'm with toast!

Ya Canadians! Dont fight! We brought bacon for everyone!

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and yes, i was a john lennon fan, but dont even overstate his importance sir....genius musician maybe, and his heart was in the right place....but the majority of his influence was to kick the drug counterculture in the US in the ass...legitimizing them. great contribution....

Doc Brasso... :dodgy:

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I'm with toast!

Ya Canadians! Dont fight! We brought bacon for everyone!

And beer!

Anyhoo, what's with this Brasso clone?

The whole point of this was that I'd rather remember John Lennon, the Beatles and Jim Morrisson over a war.

French Toast said:
The whole point of this was that I'd rather remember John Lennon, the Beatles and Jim Morrisson over a war.

i'm with toast. some dead junkies are much more deserving of my thoughts, that some fools that wanted to defend our very existance with their lives.

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Sadly, I am beginning to see definite boundaries here. Has it been that long? Can none of the present generation be thankful for ought more than waking up when they feel like it?

I understand being against war in some ways, but cannot fathom people who deny those who thought differently and actually DIED for it their honors and dues.

Sadly, we do not have any Japanese here to even have a REAL discussion over whether it made a difference in dropping those bombs or not. I doubt anyone here could even switch mindsets with a traditional Japanese in such a way as to die willingly as they do for their GOD, which in every way is how they view their Emperor.

Honestly, how can any of you condemn an act when you admit that the very act had no influences upon your present lives? I know that the act DID have an impact but the fact that you do not see it really removes you from having an educated opinion at all.

Course I figure some smart ass is going to inform me how mistaken I am but I feel that if you are allowed to make a false comment such as that then so am I. Being foolish is not only a prerogative of the young!!!

I have to say this in as stern a way as possible. "IF YOU CANNOT SEE HOW PAST WARS CHANGED YOUR LIVES TODAY, KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELVES ABOUT THE DEAD WHO GAVE SO MUCH FOR YOUR RIGHT TO NOT KNOW"

It could be worse people, we could be a society that would not even grant you the right to forget!!!

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UD, quite sadly, the boundaries, as you say, have become quite clear actually, and they are partially responsible for the state of discussion on these threads, let alone the country.....on multiple levels, you will see it, smell it, and on occasion, actually feel it.....sad.

<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting French Toast</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>The whole point of this was that I'd rather remember John Lennon, the Beatles and Jim Morrisson over a war. </DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext> </DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>toasty, i have found you to be a fairly intelligent, and entertaining kid, but, you have no real perception of the magnitude of the events......learn yer history man, and have a real discussion.....we used to have some dandies 'round here..... :wink: </DIV>
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<DIV class=quotetext>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? posted by fishy</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>

i'm with toast. some dead junkies are much more deserving of my thoughts, that some fools that wanted to defend our very existance with their lives.

lovely thought innit?...... i weep for the future.....

Doc Brasso... :dodgy:

</DIV></DIV>

Doc, if you are going to answer a quote by being inside the quote try to make it a different color cause its hard to separate your words from theirs.

No offense, but I had to back up and read the originals.

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I was under the impression that fishy was being sarcastic.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Addicted to Morphine</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I was under the impression that fishy was being sarcastic.
</DIV></DIV>

Perhaps, but how does that alter the meaning of the statement? What exactly is sarcasm but a way to say whats on your mind without actually committing to it in any permanent way.

I would be sarcastic to if someone told me that they would rather remember a junkie than a hero. Assuming of course that we are talking about junkies and hero's.

I would rather just talk about hero's myself, but hey, thats just me.

[EDIT] I just realized that I am breaking my own rule here. This thread was about rock stars not wars. I apologize and will hereafter take my thoughts to my own thread.

Sorry guys.

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yes, i know the fishman was being sarcastic.....ive known him awhile folks.....

Doc B..... :dodgy:

and im ammused that during this you find a need to correct my friggin grammar......

Doc B....

Dr Brasso said:
and im ammused that during this you find a need to correct my friggin grammar......Doc B....

Doc, you have a habit of allowing your pantie tensile strength to effect the blood flow to your head. Calm down before you have an aneurysm.

No one said grammar, at least I don't think they did. I did however point out that your white text that is inside the quote is indistinguishable from the original post/reply.

Make it some other shade.

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trust me sport, youve never seen me "excited"......and this habit of being the "english police"....well.....

ill do better sir, just for you..... :wink:

Doc B....

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Dr Brasso</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>trust me sport, youve never seen me "excited

</DIV></DIV>
Really? :wink:

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:wink:

now....where were we?

Doc B... :dodgy:

Underdog said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Dr Brasso</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>trust me sport, youve never seen me "excited

Really? :wink: </div></div>
are there any pics? :rolleyes:

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fishy said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Underdog</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Dr Brasso</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>trust me sport, youve never seen me "excited

Really? :wink:

</DIV></DIV>

are there any pics? :rolleyes: </div></div>
Man, I think I just broke something inside I laughed so hard.

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friggin' fishman...

Doc B... :dodgy:

For those who seem to disagree with my opinion, let me explain.

I can remember and mourn many people that I did not know that died many
years ago that I don't know the names of or anything about them, or I
can remember the man whose music I listen to every day, and who wanted
peace over war.

I vote peace and someone I know.

French Toast said:
I vote peace and someone I know.

And I, can wish that you knew that you now have the right to do so because of them,too.

Its sad when people with this right, fail to realize it.

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French Toast said:
John Lennon was assasinated outside of his apartment. To me, this is way more important than Pearl Harbor.

ok, so one dead musician that you didn't know, is more important than lots of dead servicemen/women/civilians that you also didn't know, even though they died to make the world safe for both you and that very musician to exist.

My school had a moment of silent reflection for him, nothing about Pearl Harbor.

a sad reflection on the political correctness that pervades our society.

I vote peace and someone I know.

you vote peace? now there's a thought. it would have been good it the allies and the axis powers had just had a referendum, instead of fighting a world war over whatever their silly squabble was about.

it also makes me wonder why people take the idea of voting so much for granted now. i bet it was some musician that got everybody to think like that. probably used some weird subliminal jiggery-pokery in his songs.

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To me, this is way more important than Pearl
Harbor.

I can't really say how Pearl Harbor's affected me directly , but yeah, definitely sad about Mr. Lennon.

The whole point of this was that I'd rather remember John Lennon, the Beatles and Jim Morrisson over a war.

You people make me sick.

I can remember and mourn many people that I did not know that died many
years ago that I don't know the names of or anything about them, or I
can remember the man whose music I listen to every day, and who wanted
peace over war.

I vote peace and someone I know.

Again, you make me sick. f**k you. This is the most disgusting thread I've seen on the Snarkpit.

who wanted
peace over war

What do you think the people who fought the god damn war wanted?

people that I did not know that died many
years ago that I don't know the names of or anything about them

Does that give you an excuse to forget them? Those people deserve
nothing less than the utmost respect. They fought and died so YOU can
have freedom. I guess this is what youth in this new world has
degenerated to.

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<div class="quote"><div class="quotetext">I can't really say how Pearl Harbor's affected me directly , but yeah, definitely sad about Mr. Lennon.</div></div>

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I know that I'm posting right after a quote orgy, but I just wanted to
point out that Pearl Harbour was one of the reasons the US joined the
war and thusly influencing many european countries, including my own (as
in we were bombed by them). It influenced me, although i'm an ocean and half a continent away.That's how I see it at least.

And I for one have the utmost respect for all soldiers who fought in the war, irrelevant of the flag they fought under.

Andrei said:
I know that I'm posting right after a quote orgy, but I just wanted to point out that Pearl Harbour was one of the reasons the US joined the war and thusly influencing many european countries, including my own (as in we were bombed by them). It influenced me, although i'm an ocean and half a continent away.That's how I see it at least.
And I for one have the utmost respect for all soldiers who fought in the war, irrelevant of the flag they fought under.

Andrei, I never knew that Romania was involved that much in the war. OR that we bombed you guys... I figured you were our allies.

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dude the 9th is so much more important

1851 - The first YMCA in North America is established in Montreal, Quebec.

Thanks to the YMCA all little league sports are now queer as hell

thanks again Canada

Im glad hes dead.. he was worthless and useless.. and the world is only
a better place with out him. now we just need to get rid of his bride.

friggin' fishman... yer killin' me here man.....

? quoting fishy

"weird subliminal jiggery-pokery"

.....sounds like a british punk-rave band.....has a ring to it, in a fishy kinda way...

Doc B... :dodgy:

EDIT ....money....whats eating you man? bad day shopping?... :heee:

Andrei, I never knew that Romania was involved that much in the war.
OR that we bombed you guys... I figured you were our allies.

Erm no we were initially on the German side but after the 23 of August
1944 we were convinced to switch to the soviet side. I think a huge
tank invasion accompanied by non-stop artillery and airstrikes was a
sufficiently convincing negotiation tactic.
To
make a long story short, our men were dragged to Stalingrad and back
and then all the way to Berlin only to return home and discover that
they would be condemned to 50 years of darkness. And
in the end we had as much casualties as the US and the UK combined.

Im glad hes dead.. he was worthless and useless..

That statement is stupid. A blind man can see his contributions to the world. I'm not supporting Yoko though...

aye, maybe if he was around 20 odd years earlier, his lovely peace songs would have convinced the world not to go to war.

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I'm sure a sappy peace song would have convinced Hitler not to invade Poland.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you can't just say
he's an asshole and deny what he's done. He wouldn't have stopped
the war...

f**k...

French Toast said:
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you can't just say he's an asshole and deny what he's done. He wouldn't have stopped the war...

f**k...

I hate to break this to you but I was alive when Lennon was and he did not make any Earth shattering contributions to much. People tend to become larger than life after they are dead. Lennon was about the most popular of the foursome but hardly a Martin Luther king or Gandhi, both of which did rather well while they were still alive AND both were into peace. If you are going to chose a hero, why not them instead. :rolleyes:

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im curious toasty, where are you getting your info on lennon from....i too was alive then....and as i said, his biggest contribution was making the drug culture more popular in the states...personally, im not sure that would be a pride instilling point on a resume....he did however, write many a song that became synonymous with the peace movement, and that is probably his most respectable contribution.....look, my wife and i were on our honeymoon 3 days when he died, and i couldnt get her to stop crying for three more....it effected me deeply on a musical and spiritual level, from anger to tears to light depression....but....i must call them as i see them, and know them to be....

calmly bud....i really am curious.

Doc B... :dodgy:

Lennon was about the most popular of the foursome but hardly a Martin
Luther king or Gandhi, both of which did rather well while they were
still alive AND both were into peace. If you are going to chose a hero,
why not them instead.

Seconded.

A blind man can see his contributions to the world.

I can't. Seriously, what the hell did he do that advanced mankind so much?

• looks at a newspaper...

Yep, still war famine and death.

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<DIV class=quotetext>A blind man can see his contributions to the world.</DIV></DIV>

I can't. Seriously, what the hell did he do that advanced mankind so much?

• looks at a newspaper...

[color=white]Yep, still war famine and death.
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In all fairness, these things still exist after both King and Gandhi died too.

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Yep, still war famine and death.

Yay we only need one more and those lovley men will wander through our streets on there horses

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Ok, so he wrote some nice songs, but really, i cant see the contribution to the world. Probably because i wasn't alive back then.

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Ok, so heres where I join in the heated debate to add some fire!

It doenst have to be what a person does, it can be what a person chooses not to do that can affect the world to.

Yes the war was horrible, we shouldnt forget what those young men and women died for, but that doenst mean we cannot remember somebody who also tried to make a difference. Just because john, or whoever else you want to remember didnt go to war doesnt make them any less respectable.

You must remember, I'm canadian. In Canada, Pearl Harbour is not that big of a deal to us. We've already had our rememberance day. We have our moment of silence and wear our poppys to remember our own troops. As an American, you have to also remember that different countries have different days and times that are big historic days. We do not celebrate George Washington day, or any other american holidays, just as you do not do anything for our canadian holidays. Pearl Harbour was a tragic event, I'm not denying it, but it doesnt mean that the world must stop for the americans. You would be a very minority of americans if you stopped whenever somewhereelse in the world had a tragic event that happened on that day.

Its just the reality of the world.

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GreenDragon said:
Pearl Harbour was a tragic event, I'm not denying it, but it doesnt mean that the world must stop for the americans.

Do you not even realize that the Pearl part of the discussion isn't the important part that people are missing on?

Yes, we discussed it but no one ever said "Hey we're Americans, bow to our ideals"

The problem is that the "Ideal" or intent of the topic is that you need to remember. Remember the original content was "Ponder" That means to contemplate the idea or subject matter which in this case was tributes to those who died.

It doesn't have to be just December the 7th.

Just once I would like a topic to stay just true enough so that the feeling isn't lost to something totally unrelated. There was no call to even mention the "American Elite"

I can almost assure you that had you posed your memorial date that most, if not all the Americans who would bother commenting would have only said something respectful. Yeah, we have a few pricks too but fortunately, they aren't as numerous as the other countries are to us when one of us posts something memorable.

Next time you have a Canadian memorial date post it. I will be first in line to say, "My sorrow to you and yours for your losses"

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