You guys are tempting me again....

Stop and desist this line of thinking please... There are a s**tload of other kinds of people you can freely ridicule without the stigma attachments.

I have two grand children. Neither of which I am allowed to see now. Both have ungodly mothers but, in Arkansas, ungodly is not a disqualification to retaining custody.

How about we talk about mothers who don't deserve fertility?

Please lay off the Gay topic because you are all skirting disastrous outcomes, and Hurricane Orpheus will be at the center of it eventually.... And you all know it.

Homosexuality is horrible but not nearly as much as a child growing up with a nasty mother. On the scale of bad things, mothers who neglect their children far outrank homo's.

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homosexual parents nowadays are like african american parents 60 years ago. it's not a matter of opinion of who can raise a better child, but a matter of safety. kids with gay parents are much more likely to be picked on/beaten up etc.. or even become homosexual as well - causing the same difficult life. again, it's not a matter of what's better or worse.. but what's accepted by the masses. (homosexuality is still considered a great sin in many places.)

i like gay people - so don't get me wrong.. i even have a gay brother. more often than not, they're nicer than straight people. if i were gay, i wouldn't put an adopted child through the same s**t i had to go through.

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

American society will reach it's own logical conclusions in time.

Through what?

... ouch - sorry...

I was sick the last 3 days and couldn't really respond to Orpheus following posts. All I want to say is that I can accept you having this opinion even if I don't accept the opinion itself. I know I can't change your thinking (you obviously have more arguing power through life experience and proper English grammar). But there are young guys (like me) who are still forming their views on certain topics based on lots of little things they read and see and this might be one of it because it's a public forum.

I wouldn't have started a thread like this - it never brings a satisfying conclusion. I just felt like defending a few poor guys that are looked down at for what I consider to be no reason whatsoever. Yea, maybe it was useless. Farewell, highly controversial thread about homosexuality in a mapping forum...

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I wouldn't have started a thread like this - it never brings a satisfying conclusion. ...</DIV></DIV>

It cannot until people learn how to properly present their positions. I firmly believe in what I think and say, but sometimes being firm isn't exactly enough. In the end, as long as I am comfortable with my position, I feel that I have done my very best to illustrate myself adequately. The fact that many, or even most utterly failed to recognize my posts as definitive never sways me. The fact that someone else has neither the knowledge, or experience to see, or understand my replies is not relevant to the replies validity. I know I am right/correct/positive. Thats enough. I don't need numerous people telling me that this is so to be true.

One thing that I feel that many here always fail to do is exemplify themselves in such a way as to sound like they know what they are talking about, even if the topic is a bit sketchy as far as its conclusion ending in a positive way.

For instance. Most of the time, I talk about homosexuality, and not homosexuals. I can differentiate between the two because I can and do see that one is a concept, and the other is a person.

Most times, I talk about homosexuality ONLY. This time, I will talk about the homosexual. The idea of Gays, specifically Gay men adopting children will never be widely acceptable. Even though I feel that Gays should be automatically disqualified, that is not why they will never be widely accepted. The reason is, because the same rules that govern normal peoples adoption options ALSO apply to Gays. Specifically, No male is permitted, except under extremely rare cases, is allowed to adopt children. The general idea is, men want to rape them. Its a fundamental fact. Its pure bulls**t, very few men want to rape children, but the idea is "One saved child is worth all the bad feelings over not being allowed to adopt" In other words, if they prevent the event by not permitting the situation to happen, then they saved a child by default. :rolleyes:

The bulls**t is, there are so many children that need parents. A few bad apples is ruining it for everyone.

Anyway, they will never allow one man to adopt, so by association, they will never allow 2 men either. So the Gay issue is MOOT fellas.

My personal belief system aside. The topic of Gays adopting is solvable/resolvable without getting insulted, or being insulting. Gays cannot adopt by the very rules that govern adoption. Not because they are Gay.

/story

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I started this topic for a few reasons, but they're not important.

What is important is:

• No policies are going to be changed because of this topic.
• nobody is supposed to "win" here. I asked for opinions, and along with those come justifications for them, but It's not a fight or even an argument as far as I'm concerned. It's a debate if it has to be anything, and nobody WINS a debate.

Those who claim to be open-minded about such things because they are considering the ONE side of this issue that is most opposed-to are not open minded, they are just rooting for the underdog, in a sense. you don't become open-minded by siding with the minority, you become open-minded by looking at all sides of an issue equally. So if you are siding with only one side and claiming to be "open-minded" then you're a big, fat hypocrite.

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Most of the time Nickel, you are so full of s**t that I wonder how make it between baths. I actually cringe because on the rare occasions where you and I agree, your methodology is so chaotic that it makes me look bad too.

But, that reply actually made sense.

I commend you.

Well done.

we need to put this quote someplace for future reference.

Those who claim to be open-minded about such things because they are considering the ONE side of this issue that is most opposed-to are not open minded, they are just rooting for the underdog, in a sense. you don't become open-minded by siding with the minority, you become open-minded by looking at all sides of an issue equally. So if you are siding with only one side and claiming to be "open-minded" then you're a big, fat hypocrite.

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But you're putting factors in here (particularly about people "rooting
for the underdog") that haven't happened. You asked for opinions and
then argued against them. Who is trying to win? Or making an argument where theyre trying to win?

Go back 5 steps, do not pass Go, do not collect ?200.

tsk tsk....***shakes head....let this one die folks.

btw gwilym, i always wondered this: what streets take the place of boardwalk and park place in the british version of monopoly? :heee:

Doc B... :dodgy:

Gwil said:
Go back 5 steps, do not pass Go, do not collect ?200.

/me likes.

/me copy/pastes onto desktop.

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Orph :smile:

Dr Brass - you'd have to call the values on me.. best place to look
would be Wikipedia. If Boardwalk say, were.. the cheapest (or one of
the cheapest two) it would be Old Kent Road/Whitechapel. Without
knowing their price/place on the board, I can't be sure..

MY f**kING GAWD..

Only Doc Brasso could come up with a set of butt cheeks that look exactly like Henry Kissinger..

You Sly dawg...

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wth was i thinking....sorry gwil, i remembered all of a sudden "you arent psychic"....

boardwalk and park place are the ritzt shnitzy high dollar props sir...
but i was being sarcastic more than anything...derailment averted...

Doc B... :dodgy:

i think i need a shave there tho jon....eh??

Pfft.. and I thought we had a genuine curiosity of great minds going there.

I'll go back to my pen and talk to the pretend people who like to about such sillies. Thanks for ruining my day Brass ! :wink:

Orph. Just because we do not agree most times does not mean that I am wrong. And you're the guy whose methods don;t make sense... :sad:

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Nickelplate said:
Orph. Just because we do not agree most times does not mean that I am wrong. And you're the guy whose methods don;t make sense... :sad:

he didn't say you were wrong, he said you were full of s**t :razz:

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Nickelplate said:
Orph. Just because we do not agree most times does not mean that I am wrong. And you're the guy whose methods don;t make sense... :sad:

We agree more than you seem to think. The problem is, I have to dig through a lot of s**t before I find my first piece of corn.

I tend to take the scenic route whenever I get passionate. You tend to take the Asian route, and you live in Missouri. Get my drift? Make your point a bit quicker and less round-a-bout.

and, I bet you cannot find ten posts where I say the word "wrong", in conjunction with "You're"

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can somebody please hand me a breath mint?

:heee:

Doc B... :dodgy:

Dr Brasso said:
can somebody please hand me a breath mint?

:heee:

Doc B... :dodgy:

open wide and say, "ahhhhhh".

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"huh??" ....."gulp".... :eek:

Doc B.... :dodgy:

lol...sick bugger....

whispers

It was a supository Brassballs. With that avatar, methinks Fishman made an honest mistake.

Caugh that thing back up before you choke.

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yer a twisted lot....i guess thats why i keep coming back....

man...that tasted like s**t..... :razz:

Doc B... :dodgy:

I used to be on TWHL, but then they banned me for unknown reasons, they said I 'spammed' - which is when I just said things in the
shout-box like 'Hi" or 'Im working on a map'. The site is now 100%
idiots who just flame and argue, never EVER go into their IRC channel.

Uh, this annoyed me, I'm just going to add... You, Jimmi, created
around 30-40 (IIRC?) additional accounts, spammed, got banned, came
back, spammed, created more accounts, accused everyone of being racist,
got banned.

As for Spartan, I'm not sure what you
did. Oh well, we still love you.

It's true that
they're all idiots though.

Anyway, for my views on
homosexuality, I wrote pretty much all of them in the TWHL thread.<br style="color: white;">

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I came for the great service - but I stay for the extra leg space. ZombieLoffe.

"I used to be on TWHL, but then they banned me for unknown reasons, they
said I 'spammed' - which is when I just said things in the shout-box like 'Hi" or 'Im working on a map'. The site is now 100% idiots who just flame and argue, never EVER go into their IRC channel."

I am a moderater on TWHL and I feel that it would be nice of us to give a truer account of what happened.
Toast_king, AKA Jimmi created over 30 spam accounts on TWHL. He spammed posts, spammed the Map Vault comments and was a general pain in the arse. He would not cease his actions and was thus banned multiple times.

As for Nickelplate's comments, although I was not a part of the comments directed towards him, you must understand that being a community website on the Internet basically invites everyone to post their own opinions. While the opinions expressed to Nickelplate were grossly over-exaggerated by the posters who simply had no sense, you must realise that this is expected. Keep in mind too that TWHL generally caters for a beginner audience so you really can't expect them to be wholly mature over most matters.

As for the topic at hand, what people do with their sex lives is entirely up to them. It is not up to a higher order to control whatever they do. However, I do draw the line at pedophilia as doing those sorts of things to children is something I consider immoral and totally wrong.

Hope I cleared up some issues here.

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Signature? Screw that.

And to add to Zombie's post - you did NOT leave after commiting such stupid spam, even after you had the s**t mocked out of you.
That's low.

Lets see if I can clarify things a bit. Snarkpit as a whole, doesn't care much to know a persona past history. Here you are judged on what you do, WHILE you are here. It doesn't matter if you are a well known elite mapper, or a total prick. Its while you are here thats all important.

This viewpoint, or attitude helps to avoid:

1) preconceptions. No one cares if you were a God, or a Puke.
2) favoritism.

We have had new members who were something special elsewhere come here who thought their doo doo smelled pretty snazzy. They were mistaken.

We have also had pricks arrive who were, or became upstanding members with a fresh start.

I appreciate you defending your site from slanderous remarks but, I do not see anything constructive deriving from it other than to coat your pride with soothing balms of words.

This is Snarkpit. We will handle the malcontents.

Welcome to Snarkpit. Lets hope that you did not come here to ONLY bad mouth a fellow Snarkpitter.

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I concur with what Orpheus says - and I acknowledge to Anthony that
things may have happened at TWHL that we too would not tolerate.

For those members who seek to chase people and their past across
forums, please don't. We don't like inter-community strife, and as Orph
said, we shall judge people on the merits of their actions and persona
here, not their history anywhere else..

Until Toast King does actions deemed unacceptable by the community
here, I ask that you leave his past behind. I am a great advocate of
second chances, especially when it comes to people who largely have no
knowledge of his past misdemeanours. So, no more hounding Toast or
anyone else, please. No-one wants to see fighting and bitching like
this spread around, least of all these 2 fellows themself I would
venture to say.

We should go into childcare Anthony, it is much easier. I think I could even tolerate the nappy changing!

Which brings me to my next question: Who changes orph after he pees in IRC?

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Nickelplate said:
Which brings me to my next question: Who changes orph after he pees in IRC?

Why? Do the circumstances change just because I pee in real time there?

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Sorry for bringing this thread back to it's original topic after it was so nicely derailed and soon to be left alone, but I just have to state my view on the topic.

I'm a nice and forgiving person by nature, and I judge people (can't figure out the right word here, I don't mean judge as in pass judgement on someone, but rather determine what kind of person they are) in much the same way Orph pointed out the SP does. I personally believe homosexuality is wrong, I don't understand it or agree with it, but I don't care and I don't treat anyone differently because of it. I don't see homosexuality as a problem, whether someone is born gay, learned it through their environment, or it's simply a matter of choice, it doesn't affect me one bit. A gay person is no less of a person than a straight person. I try my best to look eye-to-eye with every person I meet, rather than looking down on or up to anyone. People are people.

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You know what, Baron? That's one of the most excellent ways of putting it that I've heard yet. Other than if they are born with it, it's not really a sexual "preference" but a sexual assignment, more or less. But that's just semantics. I applaud your eloquence.

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I've been at the Snarkpit for a good while and I do not go chasing previous members across forums. I just didn't want the integrity of the site being diminished with some clearly inaccurate claims.

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Signature? Screw that.

I appreciate your concern and understand why you posted it. If I were in your shoes I'd probably have done the exact same thing. That said, the fact we then had an immediate followup to your post from another TWHL member, posted not to "defend your site's honour" but to lower Toast King's reputation, its understandable that Orph and Gwil felt the need to pipe up.

No hard feelings anyway, eh :smile:

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<DIV class=quotetext>I've been at the Snarkpit for a good while and I do not go chasing previous members across forums. I just didn't want the integrity of the site being diminished with some clearly inaccurate claims.</DIV></DIV>

The proper course would have been a PM from one admin to another. Thats the responsible course. My thinking is that because I put a stopper on one of our relatively new members just the other day from creating strife with Toast King is that he ran right over to the other forum and informed you guys.

Even if I am wrong, the topic received a suspicious amount of influx concerning Toast.

As I stated, his membership has been satisfactory thus far and we have had a bit of experience banning unruly members ourselves. Snarkpit on the other hand tries desperately to resolve issues and thus far we have only had to ban... 2 members?

Thats a track record worthy of boasting about.

We have as many malcontents as any other site but, the atmosphere here refuses to permit them power enough to cause the site to deteriorate. If you had to ban him 30 times or so, that speaks mounds to me.

Next time, do not disrupt Snarkpit. Use IP banning instead of his membership. I doubt he moves often enough to circumvent IP banning.

Anthony, your membership number states you have been here ages. Toasts contributions have already superseded yours. Who is the more valuable member here today?

/2 cents.

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interesting thread. . .

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