ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread

ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread

Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Le Chief on Tue Oct 6th 2009 at 10:25am
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Good on you Larchy! ;)
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Niborius on Fri Nov 6th 2009 at 2:25pm
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I think The Snarkpit should maybe be fullscreen (stretched), so you don't have black bars at the sides of the monitor when you're using a widescreen display.

I don't really care since it's already fine as it is, but it's just a suggestion.
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 25th 2009 at 8:24pm
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I keep pressing the THEME button but it won't bring back my old snarkpit!
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Niborius on Wed Nov 25th 2009 at 8:32pm
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Nickelplate said:
I keep pressing the THEME button but it won't bring back my old snarkpit!
Oh man, I really miss the old snarkpit :(
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by FatStrings on Fri Dec 18th 2009 at 6:01pm
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Niborius said:
I think The Snarkpit should maybe be fullscreen (stretched), so you don't have black bars at the sides of the monitor when you're using a widescreen display.

I don't really care since it's already fine as it is, but it's just a suggestion.
That usually makes websites act really weird on different sized monitors, it is good practice to have a set page width so it never gets stretched and the spacing doesn't go all lamer

just fyi

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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Niborius on Fri Dec 18th 2009 at 7:45pm
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FatStrings said:
That usually makes websites act really weird on different sized monitors, it is good practice to have a set page width so it never gets stretched and the spacing doesn't go all lamer
Oh thanks I didn't know that, but it makes sense.
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Tue Dec 22nd 2009 at 11:59am
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Alright, who was the eyedot who suggested a 30 minute time limit on editing your own post?
I noticed an error in one of mine this morning, and now I cannot fix it.

Time limit = unlimited...

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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Niborius on Tue Dec 22nd 2009 at 5:30pm
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Alright, who was the eyedot who suggested a 30 minute time limit on editing your own post?
I noticed an error in one of mine this morning, and now I cannot fix it.

Time limit = unlimited...
I so agree with this.
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Riven on Tue Dec 22nd 2009 at 6:29pm
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We had an issue in the past where some angry forum-goers were having a charged debate (or argument), and one character went back and deleted all of his posts thereby eliminating any trace to be had with his name in the future. We saw this as an issue, and limited the edit-ability of posts except the first post to 30 minutes. The first post may be edited any time by the original poster.

But at least now you don't have to worry about topics auto-locking :hee:
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Crollo on Tue Dec 22nd 2009 at 9:03pm
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Orpheus said:
Alright, who was the eyedot who suggested a 30 minute time limit on editing your own post?
/me whilstles innocently
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Sat Dec 26th 2009 at 8:41pm
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yodalman said:
/me whilstles innocently
Isn't that a new song by Black Sabbath?

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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Crollo on Sat Dec 26th 2009 at 10:35pm
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Orpheus said:
yodalman said:
/me whilstles innocently
Isn't that a new song by Black Sabbath?
In that case...

/me whistles camptown races

You'd have to have watched the stepfather to understand this... (not the 2009 movie)
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by G4MER on Sun Dec 27th 2009 at 8:11pm
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While editing my Profile, I saw there is a lil check box for the snowing snarks.. AWESOME! good deal, so those who want them can and those who don't can opt out. Fantastic!
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Niborius on Sat Jan 2nd 2010 at 4:22pm
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I had this in mind for a very long time, they did this at some mortal kombat site.

Someone who wins a challenge\competition at the Snarkpit gets some snarkmarks as a reward. Actually they did this with karma on that site but it's the same idea.
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Riven on Sun Jan 3rd 2010 at 7:30am
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@Nib, I really do like this idea. It's a bonus reward or perhaps good enough as it's own reward for competitions. I think I might have mentioned it before myself, or at least written it down in my laundry list of feature requests I like to breadcrumb throughout the year to larchy :p. Needless to say, I agree that perhaps in your snarkmarks page under your control panel, there would be a listing for: '$M earned in competition' -And then perhaps a link to the relevant (voting) thread.

In any case, I'll also use this post and this thread to respond about the new article preview system.

It works flawlessly, (at least for me in FireFox v3.5.6) And performs like I think it would.

I think seeing everything on one page regardless of it's pagination is better for preview purposes. I liked it for the admin ability when reviewing articles, and I think it works equally well for authors; no need racking your mind around implementing alternatives. Oh, also, if your page title includes an apostrophe ('), then it adds that familiar \ backslash in front of it within the contents section in the preview.

The placeholder image is also understandable, and I have no qualms with that either. I'm glad there is a placeholder at all. -It's more than you need to see how the article will look anyway. One question though: Will pages that don't get names, automatically get titled: "untitled page"? or simply: "page 3, page 4, etc...)? I'd hate to see in the contents list for new articles: Untitled Page, Untitled Page, Untitled Page,... If the author doesn't wish to name them, or doesn't realize they can, If it isn't a large concern, perhaps this could be a good compromise until an admin can note them on it before publishing.

About editing already existing articles: I realize this presents its own set of sticky coding scenarios, but to make a note about it: After receiving feedback on an article, the author can only sit idlely or beg an admin to make exact changes to their article so that it may address some of the new information proposed by the community via the feedback. This fixed format doesn't really sit well with me when we're working with the power of customized PHP & SQL code. Now, I wouldn't wish authors to come back after a while and wipe their articles clean off the Pit, if they had the ability to do so, because, you know, once you 'publish' your article to the Pit, it kind of belongs to the Pit then. Instead, I suggest a standard 30 day 'feedback edit period' that allows an author to make as many changes as he sees fit to his article.

Of course, this brings the next proposition of having to get it cleared with the admin before getting re-published again and receiving new feedback. If the 30 days are up and the author wishes to make further edits the day after, or years after even, then perhaps, an admin could potentially grant an extended other 30 days pass on the article for editing and re-approval. Now question is: Am I getting too complicated? (as I normally do). -And is this just not necessary or could a compromise be made? :D
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by larchy on Sun Jan 3rd 2010 at 8:11am
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Adding editing conditionals isn't really a big deal - it's just the way it is because, like everything else, I had to make a best guess as to how everything worked. If you need anything like that adding just make a bullet list of the conditions you want (so I don't misunderstand anything :P ) and it shouldn't be an issue.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Riven on Sun Jan 3rd 2010 at 8:45am
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Ah, well if you put it that way! :D

For enabling editing of published articles by user-authors
  • must be within the 30 day's allotted time by an admin, or within the automatic 30 days initializing from the original first approval date.
  • must be already published (so as not to overwrite the already published version until the edited version is admin approved)
Also of note: any new images or files uploaded meant to replace the existing ones in the published version should also not be overwritten until admin approval. -Could this be added as a note to the user only to appear when editing their article? In other words, if they're edited article is denied and asked to be re-edited before approval for publishing, they shouldn't need to re-upload their newly edited images or files.

Also while I'm on it... I think perhaps a lot of these same conditions could and should apply for downloads as well.

Conditions for edit-ability of downloads by user-authors:
  • Must be within the automatic 30 day period of original publishing/ OR within a re-issued 30 day period by an admin.
  • Must be already published (this goes without saying I suppose)
I know there is no approval system set up for downloads and I don't wish there to be one either. But there should be a note (both in re-editing of articles AND downloads) that appears at the top somewhere to let user-authors know of and about the 30 day edit period and the ability to request an extended grace period to make changes in the future. Perhaps this might be best presented by default all the time right on the articles and downloads tab of the control panel. It could go something like this:

"Editing of articles after admin approval lasts for 30 days and is met with re-approval before public posting. If you wish to make edits after that time, you may submit a request for another 30 day editing grace period by which any new edits shall also be met with re-approval before public posting."

I leave it to you to figure the best way to interface all this, but I suggest I might expect it right on the article and download tabs of that user's CP. Also, I think maybe extended grace time period requests could sync with a sent PM to all admins? That is, the user, after clicking on "request more edit time" next to their already published articles or downloads would be sent to a PM text box page, with the header already filled in via automatic text, and they could type in why they feel the need to request more edit time. OR that could be an inquiry by an admin anyway as a regular PM to that user and could be unnecessary as a built-in feature. -Just a thought.
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by larchy on Sun Jan 3rd 2010 at 9:12am
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I'm gonna have a bit of a play around with the database structure to better enable having/keeping multiple versions of the same article... will see how it pans out.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by larchy on Sun Jan 3rd 2010 at 10:51am
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Riven said:
Oh, also, if your page title includes an apostrophe ('), then it adds that familiar \ backslash in front of it within the contents section in the preview.
F@#!"!@£ing magicquotes :flail:
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Mon Jan 4th 2010 at 11:28pm
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This unhealthy fixation on cats is disturbing me. The last assholes who fixated on cats ruined my account and practically sabotaged the entire site over at TWHL. I would use all my influences to have anyone banned from here if anything even remotely similar occurred here at Snarkpit. Please try to assure me that this is not an unhealthy trend. I truly do not want to test just whom has the most influence.

/rant

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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by larchy on Tue Jan 5th 2010 at 8:22am
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I assure you I have no power here whatsoever, else I would long since have censured you for your obnoxious attitude.

I really love having my personal integrity questioned by someone who seems to do nothing but constantly snipe at people and provides no useful input/contribution whatsoever other than to claim how 'influential' he is all the time.

It really makes all the hours of my free time I've given up for this place worthwhile.

Tell you what, to reassure you completely, I'll just fuck off entirely. Sure beats putting up with your miserable trolling.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jan 5th 2010 at 9:24am
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Truth be told, I didn't even notice your cat until you brought it to my attention. I noticed them when I changed my avatar back to what it was 2 years back and was forced to see all those others in the avatar update section.

If you truly want to be upset, so be it, but I assure you that your hours have a long way yet to catch up to mine. Tis not my fault, at least not totally that I have been away so long. We don't even want to discuss sniping, when every time I look for something here its changed or moved. Not for the worse mind, just annoyingly altered. Its almost as if someone took a personal interest in altering practically everything I put into this place... Which I doubt you have that much interest in since you really don't know me If your last post is any judge.

I did chose to move to where I did. I didn't think it would be over 2 years for stupid DSL to get 6 lousy miles.

I refuse to apologize. If you feel that my comment was directed entirely at you it makes one wonder why. If however it will maintain the peace, I will endeavor to continue not noticing you.

I will assure you of one thing, if you took all the time that I invested into this site, threw away 80% of it as useless tripe and TROLLING, it would still be a substantial number of hours.

I said my peace. I suggest we drop it before we start comparing penis sizes like schoolyard bullies. :wtf:

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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by larchy on Tue Jan 5th 2010 at 11:57am
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You're complaining that the people 'in charge' are going to wreck the site because they like cats?

I'm the web coder and I like cats, and made some default cat avatars - so exactly who else would you be directing your paranoia at given noone else has anything to do with that stuff? Just more of your random shit-hurling? Well it's landed in the wrong place this time.

I don't give a fk what you've done in the past, but it's pretty obvious to me we're better off without your input. One of the things Gwil mentioned to me when we were originally talking about redoing the site was his dislike of the way the old admins who had abandoned the place used to have it set up as though they were superior to everyone else, with stupid titles like 'lord' and 'peon' or whatever it was. It's fairly clear from your banging on about all you 'great' ideas and suggesting things like having negative 'points' to tell people who you consider 'asswipes' to be that you subscribe to that rather patronising viewpoint. Way to alienate people.

Every time you post you have a go at people - a lot of people asked for the post edit time limit, and just because you don't like it you start hurling insults around randomly at 'whoever suggested it' instead of saying something like "hey guys, I don't feel this is working. How about we make a change like this.... "

Muhnay made a pretty good suggestion trying to help you in your AVI thread, and yet Mr Superior can only manage a snotty response which was actually based on total crap and, yet again, a lack of basic knowledge about the subject matter.

And that's just in the past week.

The only reason I'm even here is because I'll help if I can and noone else seems capable of doing any coding. I don't claim to be anything marvellous or be putting massive amounts of time in as I've only hung around as a courtesy to help out a community site (which I know from experience is hard to keep running and finding people to work on) - so your willy waving about your time really means fuck all to me - but I've really got better things to do than stick around somewhere with someone as acerbic as you constantly picking holes and never offering anything constructive.

When I first redid the site I came up with a design the Gwil liked, made everything and had a Beta site up for months. Yet despite all that time I got no help or feedback from the likes of you, only a huge great post about how bad everything was as soon as the new site went up. Ditto when anything else new has been introduced - and you've never bothered yourself to get involved when people like Muhnay were helping to design gfx etc

So stuff you tbh, and yes you are a complete and utter troll - randomly threatening to use your 'powerful influence' to ban people over nothing... wtf do you think you are? How can you think that's anthing a normal person would even post is beyond me. Your attitude totally stinks.

Have a talk with Riven as he's the main guy here now... I can easily just leave everything and you can take over Mr Influential and Powerful - I'm sure everything will be much better since your contributions obviously dwarf everyone else's and you're personally so much more intelligent and knowledgeable about everything.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by G4MER on Tue Jan 5th 2010 at 12:00pm
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You know what, FUCK YOU ORPHEUS. How about you crawl back under that rock of yours and disappear for a while longer. Don't come in here and start your old fart shit with Larchy, he puts countless hours off site to improve and maintain this site. What have you done?

:stirring:

And as far as Penis size.. you win, your definitely a bigger Dick.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jan 5th 2010 at 1:54pm
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sighs

New members. You always have to endure the break in period until the finally see that not everyone is going to fit into their molds.

As for my accomplishments.. As I look over Snarkpit there are almost no signs of it any longer, so your comments hold water as far as that goes.

My Snarkmark count, THE ONLY METHOD I can point to no longer reflects anything I've done. Whether I answered one editing question, or a thousand, the system claims naught. 1/2 of my tutorials are missing. Granted, they only marginally assisted anyone, but Snarkpit has many stupid tuts... But they're stil missing.

My hundreds of critiques, never made it into the Snarkmark system at all.

Finally a newbie, A webcoder tells me I've contributed nada and I'm supposed to be silent..

Did we need a new coder? Sure. Leps system was in serious need of refining. Did we need a web coder whom won't even look into a 2.5 year old missing ex member? Possibly.

The cat comment was and remains a very touchy subject for me. I will defend Snarkpit with every ounce of energy, AND YES, influence I possess. If you are innocent, then we have only a misunderstanding about CATS!!!!

If I find out otherwise...

Lets see if this remains ONLY a misunderstanding about cats.

I've been in err before, and will prolly do so many time in the future, but a misunderstanding about cats....

Once upon a time I had thousands of Snarkmarks, now I'm a nobody because I only have 1400..
Go figure..........
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Gwil on Tue Jan 5th 2010 at 4:41pm
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Orpheus, get over yourself. Both larchy and Muhnay have worked to get the site completely refreshed and running efficiently. Much of the time larchy has put in has been off his own back and I - and i'm pretty sure everyone else - don't appreciate you wading in and calling a role as king maker.

If you can't get along with the new changes or the current membership, the best advice I can give to you is to leave. Negative trolling helps noone here and if you persist in this churlish attitude most unbecoming of a man of your age I won't hesitate to consider getting rid of you myself.

edit: I can't speak for Riven but I suspect he supports larchy just as much as I - and those two guys have pretty much worked harder than anyone else to rebuild the site to a better standard. It is a shame that the effort is acknowledge only with complaints and chuntering.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jan 5th 2010 at 5:46pm
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Gwil, I'm looking you dead in the eye when I ask, Is that truly all you got out of all that mess? Knowing my dedication to this site, is that truly all you got?

I am prepared to grant your wishes, just be sure of your request.

You cannot expect me to remain calm, seeing everything I worked for altered. You know as well as I that if I could have been here during the revamping, I would have been.

I admit changes were needed, but one cannot expect it to be a smooth, or shock free transition.

Besides, all I did was complain, STRONGLY about the god awful cats.

I await your reply.

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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Riven on Wed Jan 6th 2010 at 2:35am
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I for one am glad we have an old pair of eyes to look upon the new site. However, I'm not so glad he had to come within the throws of a shit-storm. I'm a short-term realist, and a long-term idealist. Therefore, I'd only like to see this thread get back on track.

Please :hee:

Nevertheless, I don't think anyone should have to adapt themselves for Orpheus or vice versa. There are no 'molds' to be cast for others to fit. We're all individuals here and all have the common goal of making The Pit a better place.

@Orph: I understand your lament for all your lost work from the old Pit, and not only yours but everyone else's was taken into account when that transition was made. Having to re-establish your creditability should be unnecessary as this site is still a WIP. Larchy has gotten us over a great hump in the way of re-thinking this site's layout and interface. I can only applaud him and everyone else who has offered time to comment & work on it (Muhnay included). Do I miss the old Pit? -Of course; that's what we were all familiar with. Do I think the new Pit is an improvement? -I sure do. You know why? -Because everyone involved is wanting it to be so.

If say in about 10 years time, someone else comes along and persuades everyone to re-code, and re-design the site I've put so much time into supporting, and they go through with it. Would I be upset? -I sure would. Would I think the new site inferior? -Probably; but if I cared enough, I would want to help them make it better, while listening to all the reasons for why they even bothered changing it in the first place. Would they listen to me? -Only if I could show the evidence of my past efforts as proof-positive, then perhaps I'd have a NEW standing amongst them. Trying to re-establish my credibility won't prove anything to them. Subjective opinions are THE WORST form of evidence in science. I can't make them listen to me. I was gone for a while, and now regardless of all my past points and medals, I have to make-up for it. Snarkmarks ARE indeed still a sign of respect here at the Pit, but let's not abuse the 'power.' Noobs to the Pit or not, these folks still care as much about it as you do, regardless of the amount of effort put into it. I know you understand all this already, but it deserves mentioning as a playing-field leveler.

I care about your opinions Orph, I really do, but comments like this:
Orpheus said:
Please try to assure me that this is not an unhealthy trend. I truly do not want to test just whom has the most influence.
Just feels like a threat to anyone ready to take it that way. You know just as well as anyone else that influence is not established, it is earned. So asking for it or calling people out over it is just impolite regardless of how strongly you feel. And politeness goes a LONG way on the internet.

But I'm just 20, so what do I know? :sailor:

I don't mean to call you out Orph, but I do recognize you as an influential force in your own defense, at least for anyone administering a site like this. If Orph has something to say, somebody's not going to like it :p

And it should go mentioning about some of the retaliatory remarks made. -Come on guys, :nag: I know anger can be the most powerful emotion motivator of posts, but do we really need all this cluttering? my response is already long enough :lookup:

Now in an effort to get this thread back on track, (if others are still reading this :lol:) I'll try and address some of your concerns Orph:

SnarkMark difference: The reason for the snarkmark difference is due to a new consensus on calculation. The old method was agreeably convoluted and probably unfair, so a new equation was deliberated on and you can now find your calculation in the new control Panel Larchy implemented up top. The ratio remains about the same to other users new and old, and you can think of Snarkmarks now being worth MUCH more than they were before. You still have an ass-load of marks compared to everyone else so nothing to fear. :leper:
Orpheus said:
My hundreds of critiques, never made it into the Snarkmark system at all.
Whoa, really? well, if this is true, perhaps some investigation is required! :sherlock: We did have cases of missing maps and I think maybe some downloads, but if you're sure there are plenty more items missing, please inform us. This is a consequence of mass DB transferal FROM Globat. <Which as you remember, was a sucky host :pccrash: and may be recoverable, if you just point us in the right direction. I'm not sure about any other concerns you've had past the last two pages of this thread, but please, if you have any more, be sure to post them or direct them to me! -Which you don't need to be told anyway :lol:

That's a GOOD SnarkPit; there, there... :k1tt3h:

End of ridiculously LONG post. :-&
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by RedWood on Wed Jan 6th 2010 at 4:39am
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[IMG]http://imgur.com/6A4hI.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://imgur.com/8uSKr.jpg[/IMG]

My understanding is that, this site is here to help mappers. The marks are a incentive to help them more. I wouldn't place to much importance on them. And i think it would be a good idea not to piss in the eye of Snark Pit's god.
Reality has become a commodity.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by larchy on Wed Jan 6th 2010 at 7:44am
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Riven said:
Orpheus said:
My hundreds of critiques, never made it into the Snarkmark system at all.
Whoa, really? well, if this is true, perhaps some investigation is required!
I did investigate it - three times, once for every time Orpheus complained. I trawled (and I do mean trawled, since when I asked Orpheus for any idea of where the content was referring to might be he said he had no idea - wouldn't even tell me what section of the old site they were in) the original dump of the globat database - the version before I touched anything - and there is nothing there to which he refers. I have explained this three times, but as always it's just a waste of breath.

Same with the snarkmarks system which you have just explained again for the umpteenth time Riven (he's upset over some stupid database number? That puerile? Really?)

During the past two years the flow of events has been:

1. Ask the community what they want
2. Implement what they ask for
3. Orpheus complains and insults us

It's a broken record.
Orpheus said:
Besides, all I did was complain, STRONGLY about the god awful cats.
No, you indiscriminately threatened to ban members from the site. Let me make it abundantly clear:

1. Having some huge number of magic banana points does not entitle you to act like an asshole toward other members.
2. It is not acceptable to threaten other site members in any way
3. I can and will make sure everyone knows exactly where they stand should you again attempt to threaten or otherwise intimidate any members of this site.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by G4MER on Wed Jan 6th 2010 at 1:06pm
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Hey Riven, What is the cover gonna look like for the book? :naughty: :lol: ...good post brother.

And you had to put the smiley stroking a kitty in there, ya know thats gonna piss Orph off right? :stirring:
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by larchy on Thu Jan 7th 2010 at 12:08pm
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Riven said:
Instead, I suggest a standard 30 day 'feedback edit period' that allows an author to make as many changes as he sees fit to his article.
Ok, that's no problem, sorted that out in the new system.
Riven said:
If the 30 days are up and the author wishes to make further edits the day after, or years after even, then perhaps, an admin could potentially grant an extended other 30 days pass on the article for editing and re-approval. Now question is: Am I getting too complicated? (as I normally do). -And is this just not necessary or could a compromise be made? :D
They wouldn't need to request editing access to the article - under the new system they could just create a new version of the same article and make any changes. The old version would remain published until the new one was admin approved, at which point it would replace the old version as the published one.

Old versions are still stored in the database now, so nothing ever gets lost.

The published+30days time period would be considered the 'final' unchanged version of any particular version.
It's taking me a fair while to code this new system... the new AJAX'ed add article page is done (including showing your images in the preview :D ) but I'm having to re-design the layout of the articles control panel page and put a lot of thought into how to present everything easily for users as the system itself is fairly complicated. So... hoping to get it done over the next few days, but it may be a bit longer.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by thehalflifeman33 on Wed Jan 13th 2010 at 6:07pm
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Orpheus said:
This unhealthy fixation on cats is disturbing me. The last assholes who fixated on cats ruined my account and practically sabotaged the entire site over at TWHL.
Orpheous, the cat trend has nothing to do with twhl sucking arse.

Rite? :-D
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 16th 2010 at 2:08am
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Riven and I discussed the situation in depth. Problem more/less resolved. The cat issue remains a concern of mine but seems that in this case not applicable. I retract my comment as unnecessary and apologize for the grief it caused. HOWEVER I will be posting sometime in the near future ALL the tings I feel need addressed as to the shortfalls in this new Snarkpit. (at least in so far as I am able to discern in the very limited time frames I have with regards to the internet accesses)

The old site had code issues that needed addressed, it did not need to be redesigned.... Much. That's my humble opinion and should be taken only in that way.

Keep 2 things in mind..

1) I helped design the other version, and something in that version originally brought everyone here.
2) Something I probably had a part in, kept you guys coming back.

I hope that remains true in the future.

The best things in life, aren't things.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Gwil on Sat Jan 16th 2010 at 12:44pm
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Visitor numbers declined way before the redesign.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Gwil on Sat Jan 16th 2010 at 12:52pm
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Orpheus said:
Riven and I discussed the situation in depth. Problem more/less resolved. The cat issue remains a concern of mine but seems that in this case not applicable. I retract my comment as unnecessary and apologize for the grief it caused. HOWEVER I will be posting sometime in the near future ALL the tings I feel need addressed as to the shortfalls in this new Snarkpit. (at least in so far as I am able to discern in the very limited time frames I have with regards to the internet accesses)

The old site had code issues that needed addressed, it did not need to be redesigned.... Much. That's my humble opinion and should be taken only in that way.

Keep 2 things in mind..

1) I helped design the other version, and something in that version originally brought everyone here.
2) Something I probably had a part in, kept you guys coming back.

I hope that remains true in the future.
No-one objects to you adding feedback - please, however, refrain from:

1) Reiterating your perceived importance to the popularity of the site. It's well established that the community was reduced long before any redesign took place, and indeed, while you were still here.

2) Promoting your opinion as more valuable than that of anybody else. It isn't. The veiled threats and wielding of imaginary influence ("talking to people in private" "promising to be back for more") serves only to antagonise just about everyone involved.

FAO: Others-

Don't turn any future thread into a flamewar. If everyone promises to behave properly, and does, the first person who fires the shots can be exposed for their incendiary attitude.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by larchy on Sat Jan 16th 2010 at 1:51pm
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Site update - changelog is available by clicking the version number at the very bottom of each page.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 16th 2010 at 3:38pm
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Gwil, just accept my apology, and move onward. You're fanning flames now. Physician heal thyself.

I don't apologize often, but I do when its appropriate.

(Depreciating my past contributions is fanning.)

The best things in life, aren't things.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Cash Car Star on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 12:21am
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Wow hey I haven't been here in years. I was googling myself the other day and found my mapping site on hlgaming.com had been shut down, heh, so I decided to check over here. All my maps are tied to weird non-relevant discussion threads! But at least I can see my screenshots again. Anyway, hope everyone's doing well. I probably won't see you folks again for another year.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Crono on Tue Feb 23rd 2010 at 8:43pm
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I think Gwil's post was quite warranted. Some very solid points there.

There seems to be something with the longevity of the cookies/sessions ... it would be nice if auto-login worked for longer than a week or whatever. There also seems to be nearly no auto-fill-in for login info. I'm not sure if this is because stuff is timing out or what. I'm sure you're already aware of it ... but this just seems like one of those things you'd want to fix before implementing new junk. I would, anyway.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by G4MER on Wed Feb 24th 2010 at 12:25am
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LOVE the new Kitty Larchy!
larchy said:
Site update - changelog is available by clicking the version number at the very bottom of each page.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Le Chief on Mon Apr 12th 2010 at 8:30am
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I was thinking about this last night, I thought it would be a nice idea if for every front page news article there was a forum thread attached to it. The most recent front page news article for example, I would have liked to discuss but I felt a bit silly if I created a forum thread on it myself. Just a thought. I think it'll create a bit more activity. :)
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Riven on Mon Apr 12th 2010 at 8:41am
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Yea, I've thought of this many a times myself. and figured it would save me the trouble of making a link at the bottom of every post. And then trying to judge which posts deserve one. A whole new forum for front page posts, or perhaps just include them into the general banter? Also include an auto link if there is a thread attached at the bottom of each post and show the number of 'comments' or posts about it. It wouldn't have to be a retroactive feature, more like the ability for the admin to check (connect post) and then perhaps make some existing post the comments post too. Plenty of opportunity here. Glad you made a point about it. :teach:
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Le Chief on Mon Apr 12th 2010 at 8:54am
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A separate forum for news article threads sounds good! I'm getting excited! :cowjump:
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by GrimlocK on Wed Jul 21st 2010 at 3:19am
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I have to say I 'm very impressed with all the changes that have been made to the snarkpit. It fully loads on my Palm TX PDA without a single error. That's saying a lot... not to mention all the other changes. Congrats!!! ;)
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Condus Mundus on Sat Jul 24th 2010 at 8:30pm
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Every now and then when I post a comment with a \ or a / I come back later and they've been removed from my post.

Also I think that 100 snarkmarks for 7 days and 200 for 30 days, may be a bit of a large gap from 30min. Mabye if 50-75 snarkmarks for 1 day was added it wouldn't feel like such a big jump. Just my opinion though.
Now remember kids. Asking questions is a good way to get censored by the government.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Riven on Sun Jul 25th 2010 at 11:41am
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The backslash thing was from a massive bug in the early testing for this version of the site. They would be visible everywhere from text links to entire posts anywhere someone decided to use any kind of punctuation.

The end result was being able to fix it in some places, but not all. So, the only way to make sure we'd never see the bloody things again, was to get rid of them outright, and that meant basically disabling them, -as far as I understand it. so, sorry we can't fix that. :uncertain:

Also, the 100 $SM for 7 days was a voted issue. Not too long ago, did we have this issue pop-up about edit times. Before there were no extensions beyond the 30 minutes. Many of the member voting on it, obviously had over 100 $SM, but this was seen as a fair amount.

Every 2 posts gets you 1 $SM, but every map and download gets you 10 outright, and gets multiplied with each rating you receive. So, the system rewards you the most when adding content like these to the database. Articles I think are worth 25 points.
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Condus Mundus on Sun Jul 25th 2010 at 6:28pm
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riven said:
...Every 2 posts gets you 1 $SM...
Oh, I didn't know that. I thought you only got snarkmarks if you answered a post correctly.

Also, I don't know if this is a bug or not, but when you are drafting (check the "Draft Mode" box in article edit) a article it gives you 10 snarkmarks. Is there a system set up so that people can't abuse this and get bunches of snarkmarks? Like a limit to how many drafted articles someone can have at one time or something? Otherwise...
Now remember kids. Asking questions is a good way to get censored by the government.
Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Riven on Sun Jul 25th 2010 at 8:36pm
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ah, let me correct myself...

10 posts= 1
1 correctly answered post = 2
accepted dead link reports = 2
articles, maps, and downloads auto = 10
articles when rated = rating * 25 + 10
downloads when rated = rating * 25 + 10
Maps when rated = rating * 50 + 10

A note about the rating multiplyer: A rating of 1-5 is calculated as 10%-100%

So for example, a map with a rating of 4 gets an 80% * 50 (= 40 + 10)

So it gets 40 points plus the auto 10 points for uploading it.

The issue with the draft mode will just have to remain under-wraps I suppose. We won't be able to fix that for a while.
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Re: ARCHIVE: Snarkpit v6 Feedback Thread Posted by Orpheus on Tue Aug 3rd 2010 at 1:54am
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Someone needs to go thru the HL editing page and credit the correct answers... Preferably the guys asking????

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